This conversation is becoming circular, but I'd be really upset to show up to White Lake State Park (or insert any other park you like) to find a noisy, cumbersome, flashy-lights hot dog Humvee in the parking lot or, even worse, at the summit.

In fact, I believe a proposal for a Mount Washington summit hotel is in this very process.

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Agreed


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Just a thought, why don’t the owners acquire waterfront property and use it to dock the barge, park cars for patrons, provide livery service to the barge, and eliminate storefront owner complaints?


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No one is allowed to voice their position on this unless you are directly impacted by it or are in favor of it. Everything in opposition is "fake news". At least that's the message I'm getting here on this thread.

Park it in front of Southdown Shores and let the WOW trail users have access to it.

Problem solved! :laugh:

Went by the Dive on Monday and I have no skin in the game. My question is, isn't that a no rafting area? Ten years ago I would anchor there and watch MP come and ticket people for being to close to shore or to close to other boats. There was a time when kids would be crying as MP would be going through the boats and having people leave.

Get this off our lake so it doesn't impact anyone and send it to Waukewan!

I have no problem with anyone in "a noisy, cumbersome, flashy-lights hot dog Humvee" selling hot dogs or drinks in a parking lot of a State Park.... it boils down to supply & demand.If there is a demand for this product (The Dive) then it will thrive... if not, oh well... you win some lose some.

But all of this NIMBY stuff is crazy.... lots of people utilize the resources of the lake to make $$$.

Woodsy

Thankfully it's well protected from commercial exploitation because it's the town water supply. I can count on a clean and well protected lake for a long time. That's probably why the owner of the Mt Washington has his home on Waukewan. Maybe they can try Squam.
I guess I shouldn't be on here because it's the Winnipesaukee Forum. Only Winnipesaukians allowed. :D

You think THIS...






Is going through THIS? Pics are out of sync but you get the idea...

Is that like putting a square peg in a round hole? I'd like to be there when they try that!

I hope so. The best way to test would be to go reallll fast...

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Like ....... I can almost remember this like it was just yesterday except I wasn't born yet:

On August 12, 1940, the new to the lake, MS Mount Washington was about six inches too high to fit under that bridge, so its' bilge was filled with water to lower the ship and make it fit. Since then, it has never returned back under the bridge there.

www.lwhs.us/steam-mtwashhistory.htm

That was only 78 years ago, so was anyone on this forum there at the time and have a good photo to post with the Mount sliding under that bridge with just one inch or so to spare ........ picture that?

So, will the Mount Washington be dropping anchor at various sandbars around the lake and hauling people aboard who are so desperate for an adult beverage they'll pay 12-dollars for a cold Bud lite? Ugh ...... I so need a beer ..... thanks for stopping here ...... down the hatch ...... and bottoms up!

Now that is a great tidbit of information. Thanks for the contribution FLL


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top was off

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/photop...ize=big&sort=1

Someone is probably "planting" the oil around the Dive to help it succeed in failing! Just a hunch from all the love they must be feeling from this forum... FWIW, those of you that claim the Dive is an "eyesore", need to take a ride to the bowels of any city within 10 miles of Boston, or even some parts of Manchester, NH or Lawrence, Ma., and then tell me the Dive is an eyesore. Sometimes we ALL need a wakeup call. Careful what you wish for... So based on the "eyesore" logic here, someone that has a view of a tiny three season cottage that "needs work" can complain to the "powers that be" till the owner updates, or sells the "shack" that has been in the family for generations, and is loved "as is"... Is that where we are going here?? What about ugly boats, can we complain till there are no more ugly boats on the lake too??? I hate ugly boats. How about just plain old ugly, can we just get rid of all things ugly?? I don't want to see ugly. Where does it end...???

Dive
 

"before going all over?" So it was established that the most likely locations are sandbars so patrons can walk to it and there is a larger concentration of patrons. So that leaves Smalls Cove, Braun Bay and Margate sandbar. It has also been established that the Margate sandbar is not possible due to bridge and beam of the Dive. So that leaves Braun Bay. By their own accounts the dive is doing well at Smalls so why would you spend the time and gas money to travel to Braun Bay? So I ask again, where else are they going to go?

Anywhere on the lake. Until you out of staters pass legislation saying otherwise...

How about Patrician, could do well there. I imagine they would burn a lot of fuel getting there though.


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Patrician not big enough to justify the time to get there or the gas.

Anywhere on the lake is not a money maker, only a large sandbar will work and i'm not an out of stater.

Only a large sand bar will work? Please post your study that concludes that only a sandbar will work.

I am sure that it can dock anywhere that the MT. Washington can dock.... Sell some booze and a burger to the visiting tourists and move along....


BTW, who established that sandbars are the locations? You are the only one that has suggested so, that I have seen.

The WinniBelle just went by Sleepers with a party. Music playing and people having a good time. We love the WinniBelle and the Mount as well as seeing - and hearing- people have fun on the lake. It looked
like even they veered by the tenement house anchored in Smalls Cove - probably out of curiosity and happy they are on the WinniBelle:)

You think the Dive is going to dock? Where will it dock?
The Dive can't dock where the MT Washington docks. Only the Mt can dock in Alton, Weirs, Wolfeboro and Meredith, those docks are for the Mt only. You are the only one that has suggested the Dive is going to dock. What other places will the Dive frequent that are not sandbars. If it anchors in deep water you will swim to it? Sandbars work because there is a large concentration of potential patrons that can walk to the Dive.

What is the actual bridges clearance? It will be fine as far as beam, if early before traffic hits. Watermark has no problem fitting large construction barges through. I think it will go.

Send it!!!

Noone wants this in Braun Bay either!
 

Regardless of the commercial viability of this endeavor, in Braun Bay the situation is not different. NO ONE WANTS IT THERE! This business fails to realize that each property owner has hundreds of thousands to lose in depreciation, and combined together, what we are willing to invest in getting rid of this will dwarf the costs of 5 barges.

The tension between boaters and homeowners is a delicate balance. I doubt The Dive understands what they are stepping into.

From the boater's perspective, accounting for Braun Bay rafting/spacing rules, this vessel will displace a large number of boaters during the sunshine hours and make that crowd quite upset as well.

Who established that sandbars are the location? The Dive did. Read the first post at the beginning of this thread. 1. In the Dive statement describing their business states they will serve sandbars.

Some immature banter going on here, time to give this thread a time out.

If the Dive is in the chanel from Weirs to Paugus do you think boat traffic in the opposite direction can get by? I don't want to meet up with the Dive in the chanel.

Quite a sweeping statement. “No One”. That would just be your opinion. I’m sure many of the people that frequent Braun Bay would welcome the Dive., but that’s just my opinion.

Remember just because you own waterfront doesn’t mean you own the water. Full disclosure I own waterfront.

Again the key for the Dive should be a delicate balance and not anchoring-in the same location too many days in a row.


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The water at those sand bars is going to be bright yellow. They will look like a leman drop from the sky. Not that they aren't yellow already. It will just be a little brighter where ever the Dive is anchored. :D

Can you explain this one? Squam is state property too. Not sure I get your point.

Home owners don't own the lake but it's protect from any commercial endeavor. You have to go through the river to Little Squam to get gas, food, or boat repairs and it will always be that way. It's too late for Winni. Once the genie is out of the bottle you can't put him back in.
Like it or not the Dive is setting a precedent that will open up more ventures of like kind. I'm not an environmentalist but I do believe in protecting out natural resources for future generations. It can't always be about the all mighty dollar.

Exactly why I said early before traffic hits. Do you see construction barges rolling through at noon on a Saturday? They sneak through early. If the Dive was to go early they could also set up where they wanted at the Margate.

I don't see anything rolling through in that canal because I Don't go there. So I wouldn't know if barges go there or not.

Exactly my point. I'm not convinced the Dive would be willing to leave at what 5 am? To beat the rush not to mention how long a ride from WAM it would be and then leave late at night? And then the gas money to get there. Smalls cove is looking real good. Look at their answers on their FB page when posters ask if they are going anywhere else. They say "it's being discussed" or "the weather is not favorable" or "Smalls is working good"

Anyplace?
 

Previous floating restaurants on the lake did not anchor. They found a quiet spot and people found them. Much easier to do that now. With apps and other portable communications, you can set a schedule to be at 'X' island or cove and customers will know you're going to be on the protected side. There are plenty of places that are large enough for drive up (designed for that, remember?). The Dive also has plans for events (weddings, ticketed cruises, private parties, etc.) but these are often planned a year or more in advance, so you won't see many this year. With a lift-up ramp, she can pull up to your yard, or a dock, load passengers and get under way again (wind permitting for all you naysayers) and can probably be stable with the spuds in place if there is wind.
How about that oversize NWZ in Meredith? Protected from prevailing winds and perfect for all the rental paddle boards and kayaks. AND, if you work out an arrangement with the Mount, you can use her docks. It's owned by the Flagship Co. and they control it. It's been done before (Jack Dana, vessel "JackMar", for those who want names.. Almost everything has been done on Winnipesaukee before.

The Dive
 

Just waiting for someone to complain that "It's just not the William Tell - we loved the William Tell..."

I'd asked about the oil thing--this was posted today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...24065f8c4d.jpg

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I think I'm going to get a few investors and build a Cannabis barge. I'll call it the "Powder Keg". My barge will be more attractive. I'll make it look like a Pirate ship. I can see the $$$$$$$$$$ rolling in now. Everyone be happy! :D