Who is using this poll on this forum for anything other than reference? I used it earlier to say that IN MY OPINION, the forum represents users of the lake. No, not ALL users of the lake, but again, IN MY OPINION, all users of the forum use the lake.

Regarding your accountability thing...you come on here trying to hold us accountable for our statements? How about you apply that to yourself, and explain the "wild west" thing. Thanks in advance.

Based on WHAT?!?! Does Don screen the people that sign up? NO! What case have you presented that even approaches anything other than rhetoric and hearsay. All you do is speak in cute metaphor and you have offered no substance to this discussion.

Where has this been shown?

How many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed"?

Do we know of even a boat stop, or a warning, for "unreasonable speed"?

Can a boat operators drivers license be effected by an "unreasonable speed" conviction?

The legislature visited boat speed in 2006 and failed to enact a limit of any kind. That displays "legislative intent" that no speed, by itself, is unlawful.

If unsafe operation is illegal why do we need all those other regulations? Does that mean we do not need safe passage, bwi, night lighting etc.? Are they already covered?

Let's ask the state to eliminate all those hard to understand boating regulations, and we can go with "unsafe operation". That one law covers it all.:laugh:

You attack any mentions of laws regulating reasonable speeds
 

I am sick of constantly reading unsubstantiated claims and people yelling LIE. How will they misdirect? Which way will they spin? How many people have to prove that safe speed laws are on the books.

The zealous proponents of HB847 want everyone to believe that there are no speed regulations. Unlimited speed cowboys threaten safety of the young, frail, timid and peaceful. We must restrain these renegades and protect the public. What drivel. HB847 supporters like Islander often respond to the safe speed requirements that are already in place like this:

Many have shown that safe speeds are the law. The other Skipper documented it well with attributable quotes HERE and more good reading HERE. Revisit those posts to refresh your memories about speed and the law.

Islander demonstrates what he says. If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. That is just what he did to the Skipper of Sea Que.

On another issue:
The poll was skewed early on due to campaigning. Voting was cut off before a good sample was taken. You obviously did not read the purpose of the poll or the comments by the originator of that poll.
The HB847 is about new speed limits on the lake. That sounds like a subject for a boating forum. Kayaks are boats. Swimmers and environmentalists may not be.

You talk about bad manners. Ive seen it from both camps but more from the pro side.

Then you lump all those opposed to HB847 with a need for speed crowd. The vast majority of those opposed to the bill are not speed demons. I do not go fast nor boat near the proposed limits. I do know where my limits are regarding Bull Stuff though. I've seen more than enough to force me to make a rare post.

Education not creation. No need to create new laws for speed. Educate and enforce what we have.

Good One
 

Good one Islander, I like it. :D

I'll go one better. We'll just throw the book out and use a gentleman's agreement to govern the lake. :laugh:

"Excuse me sir you just violated my 150 foot space"
"Ever so sorry my mistake it won't happen again"
"Cheerio, Happy boating"
"To you as well."
:D

Question for Skip and others. I was actually wondering when as in what year did NH enact the 150 foot rule?

150' rule.....
 

Ah, trying to get me to show my age.....:D

The current set of general operating guidelines (RSA 270-D:2) which includes the 150' rule goes back in some form or another to at least 1990.

To give you an idea how long ago it was....back then me & Bear Islander were still being honest about the color of our hair on our respective driver's licenses.... ;)

Your post made me pull out my drivers license to check if it said brown or grey!

Good News! Hair color is not on it!:banana:

Why should a boat operators drivers license be effected by an unreasonable speed conviction or by a boating speeding ticket when this bill becomes law in 2009.......totally asinine IMHO.

The Wild Wild West
 

How about some figures...ya know actual statistics...FACTS...to back up that claim :laugh:
The pro HB847 crowd has done more to instill fear into people not familiar with Winnipesaukee than any GF boat ever has and even in your victory (or so it seems) you continue the fear mongering. Stand by there is more coming :mad:

Clearly I am opposed to the speed limit so don't shoot me for asking, but why is it asinine for a boating speeding ticket to go against your license?

I think an unreasonable speed conviction going against your license would not count as it is a matter of perception, but if a speeding ticket is based on verifiable radar results why should it not count against your license?

Depends on what you mean by unreasonable
 

If you are indeed going an unreasonable speed for conditions, then there is some sense in tying the conviction to your drivers license. Since the new law defines unreasonable based on anything but science, unlike how highway speeds are set, it would be best if on-water speeding was not tied to your license. On the other hand, it may become more difficult for a MP to prove you were going an unreasonable speed if you are going under 45.

Because by law I'm required to have a driver's license to drive a car. I do not need a driver's license to operate a boat...only a safe boating certificate.

Silly girl...

You are not supposed to be that smart or at least smarter than Concord has proven themselves to be. :D

Evenstar, those things I pointed out would be helpful if you listened. But I know you won't because you are never wrong in your opinion. If you continue to post the way you do nothing will change. Thats your decision but don't continue to whine about.

Well if you bother to look at the 2006 NH boating stats you will see that one PWC accident involving a fall was ruled to have happened during a turn at "Excessive Speed"!

Did the operator get a ticket or warning? I don't know but "Excessive Speed" is listed as the cause of the PWC accident so gee, I guess NH really does have an unreasonable speed statute.

How does the Marine Patrol writing the words "Excessive Speed" on an accident report indicate that there is an unreasonable speed statute?

Do you believe a statute is created when an officer writes words on a report? It's a little more complicated than that.

I asked how many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed". Are you replying that there may, or may not, have been ONE passed out two years ago?

I am pointing out that in spite of all of your denials, an RSA currently exists that enforces dangerous and negligent operation of boats, including excessive speed. It is you and your supporters that deny the RSA can be used to enforce speed. Apparently that is not true.

You asked how many tickets have been handed out and I said I don't know. For some reason the Marine Patrol doesn't like to publicize what it does. In my opinion that is a mistake, however since their incident logs are public record, and if you're in the neighborhood, why don't you swing by Glendale once a week and copy the log and post it? Then we'll know.

BI, R U saying excessive speed is legal?
 

How many tickets have been passed out for unreasonable speed. The MP would know, ask them. Listing excessive speed as the cause of someone falling off a PWC is proof that it is a concept recognized by the law. It is in their statistics at the least. It does not mean a ticket was issued for excessive speed. MP knows if and how many warnings or tickets for excessive speed are given.

First you guys deny that the Marine Patrol and the law recognize reasonable speeds and there are laws about those speeds. You finally can not hide from that fact so now you start ranting about how many tickets have or have not been written. You question why we need other laws if laws about reasonable speeds are in place. Who are you trying to kid? You are trying to distract. It's another way to spin.

We do not need more laws we need more enforcement of the current laws. If you want to do away with the other laws start a different thread.

Thank you ES. I now can count myself among a very special group of people whom I respect. I have been attacked by you for saying nothing more than repeating your own words.

Since every one of your post is a "defense", I guess you can say that you have never attacked someone outside of a defensive post. But you certainly have attacked members unnecessarily in those post.

My favorite is when you attack all of us who quote the state motto. It is a little hard to justify an attack on a group of people in order to defend against one member's comment.

I look forward to your next attack, I mean defense.

You did take everyone of those quote of mine that you posted out of context. That is a fact. Calling you on doing something like that is not an attack - it is defending myself.

What was your purpose of taking portions of 21 of my posts out of context? How did doing so add anything to the discussion here?

I have criticised some of those who are opposed to the speed limit of using the state motto to support thier supposed rights, while not showing any concern for the rights of others. My comment was directed at those who have actually used the state motto in this way, since I was quoting them. BTW: traveling at high speeds on a recreational lake is not a right granted by the state of NH. Show me where I made this a personal attack on any member.

supposed rights? Show me anywhere that says a person can't go fast on a recreational lake. Don't count Squam, it's not a recreational lake, but more of a snob lake :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Your comments and arguements are becoming so far out in left field there's really no point in calling you out anymore, you do it yourself.

BTW traveling at any speed is a freedom. That is until people like you start wanting to make them rights.

"Live Free or Die" loosely means living free of stupid laws. I tend to think of it as a way of life. Democrats are slowly taking away our way of life.

I was out on the lake for hours yesterday and had no trouble spottng Loons that were over 1/4 mile away from me. Kayakers I could see at least 1/2 mile away riding west into the sun towards Meredith Bay.

Here is a good article
 

About how life will be after speed limits. This happened in the "model" lake, that already has a speed limit!!!http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...010/-1/CITNEWS

where's winnfab now .mybe they sould go after seat belt for boats too :laugh:... hope the girl is alright...








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Obviously the limits are too high. There would be no such thing as abruptly losing speed if there was no speed to begin with.

[Spinnfabs] But what if the captain was drinking? ~Doesn't count

His exact speed has not been determined and if the speed was unreasonable or not. ~Doesn't count. [/Spinnfabs]

Do we need a new law?
 

I hope that the injured woman thrown from the boat is quickly recovering from her thigh injury. It must have been a terrible experience. I wish all of them the best.



What is next? Will there be an outcry for minimum speed laws. :rolleye1: