With so many guests on-board, why not just ask for volunteers to paddle using long sup style paddles ...... like .....helloooooo everybody ...... we can use a little help here getting our barge from our West Alton home all the way down to that Center Harbor Inn ...... paddl'n is so much great exercise .... a real workout ..... look'n for volunteers here ...... we can use a little help ......who wants to just give paddl'n a wee bit of a go? ..... don't-a be a-bashful ..... paddl'n is so much fun ..... the crew that paddles together ..... drinks together

With so many guests on-board ..... is a great source of free paddl'n labor ....... stroke-stroke-stroke!


Will paddle for beer .....anyone?


In 2009, the MS Mount Washington was able to re-power their 1940's diesel that went wush-wush-wush with a $750,000 Caterpillar diesel that goes bzzzzzzz ...... and got it basically for free courtesy of the Cash for Clunkers federal program ....... so's maybe The Dive can do the same ..... and get a John Deere, made in Moline, Illinois, make america great again, marine diesel courtesy the federal government ....... yes? ...... for almost free?

In the mean time ...... a-just a-keep on paddl'n ....... to the tune of Michael row the boat ashore ...... hallelujuh ...... Sister, help to trim the sails ..... hallelujuh ..... we need more paddlers ... so much fun ..... who wants to paddle? ...... The Dive .... one, great big stand up paddle board, 62' x 24' ..... all together now .....just paddle! ...... how much further till we get there?

You are a navel engineering genius.

.....you are so totally, totally, totally correct ...... absolutely, positively, absolutely!

And, besides getting about ten long handled paddles for any guests who want to volunteer to paddle ...... The Dive could go purchase an el cheapo ..... mast, boom and sail .... from craigslist-nh ..... size: extra large ..... and put that wind to work for them ..... after all .....the wind is free ........ SAIL HO...... arrgghh! ..... sailing three sheets to the windward seems like a good course for The Dive!

Having a sail could be a good new energy source for moving their business along. Who knows ..... maybe a bright red sail would really look good, sailing down the lake, as the sun sinks slowly into the west ...... ker-plunk ..... splash ..... seems to happen every day?

The Dive, needing more powerful engines than what it had, decided to add a large mast, boom and sail in an effort to capture the wind. Little did they know that raising a large, bright red, triangular sail, high above their barge would serve like a big, red advertising banner, and go a long way for powering up their business ....... SALES HO .....oops .... make that SAILS HO .....and off they sailed, up and down the big lake, happily powered by a big, bright red sail .....

THE DIVE; not just a $12-beer on a barge-restaurant ....... it's a power-paddle-sail adventure ..... to get it there ......and back ...... yo-heave-ho .... now, shut up and paddle!

This isn't a situation where the Dive is "underpowered" so much as how the power gets to the water and some basic principles of naval architecture. Also, note that even with double the power (it has 2, 300 HP Evinrude outboards now) it really wouldn't make a huge difference in speed.

As a displacement vessel, the length of the waterline dictates what the maximum practical speed will be, increasing the power above whatever is calculated to be required to produce "hull speed" will only increase the top speed a small amount even with a significant increase in power.

As has been noted in an earlier post, Diversified Contracting has a similar sized barge with twin 250 HP outboards. I've watched it go by our place many times, the operator runs those engines HARD and even with that I'd guess top speed is between 10 - 12 mph. It sounds to my ear as if the propellers cavitate a fair amount while doing so. Using Diversified's barge as an example, it looks like the Dive is similar in length and has roughly the same power so top speed would be in the same general range of 10-12 mph.

If they're not getting to 10 mph or so, I'm guessing part of the problem could be getting the propellers to convert the power available into actual thrust. The barge that APS referenced looks like it's powered by a pusher tug. If so, that likely has a diesel engine turning a much larger diameter and slower turning propeller that can get a better bite on the water to push the barge. Tough do that with engines designed for pleasure boats that turn small diameter propellers at high speed.

Would it be similar to these guys rowing?

Something went wrong with this video so I deleted the embed code.

.... row row row the boat ....
 

….yes, something like that ….. men, woman, kids, grandma, grandpa, all together rowing The Dive …… rowing is actually fun, fun, fun ….. especially when there's a Guinness a-waiting for you, up-top

….. beats the heck out of just sitting there, sipping a beer, and watching the shoreline homes unroll


….. all together now ….. let's all row in three part harmony …. and longer oars that are pinned are actually easier to row with better results …. no feathering needed! So, it is stroke-stroke-stroke-stroke-stroke as opposed to stroke-feather-stroke-feather-stroke-feather-stroke-feather...… capiche!


….those slaves in the video here ….. are they feathering? …. no …. and, it's working very very well for them! Is hard to tell, but most likely their oars have been pinned, or held by a pin in the oar lock, in one position for easier rowing. So, who wants to row hard for 40-minutes for a Guinness?
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So, what's the real price tag for the two Evinrude 300-hp outboards like they have ….. as opposed to finding a decent used marine diesel that turns a longer, wider propeller at a slower speed with a better bite?

Is the real price tag …… their going out of business and closing The Dive ….. stay tuned ….. is a lot easier to paddle a paddle?

Please don't feed the duck. :rolleye1:

I believe they are twin “250” Evinrudes

My bad, I just went back to page 1, you are correct. Twin 250's as seen in the pictures. The point of my long winded post above is still the same though; whether 500 HP (as is), 600 HP(as I mistakenly mentioned above) or even adding a third engine to get up to some greater multiple of the above will not significantly increase the maximum speed of this vessel above it's hull speed.

Assuming a water line length of 70 feet (guestimate from looking at the construction photos) hull speed would calculate to 11.2 MPH (square root of the length at waterline X 1.34) Does anyone know if they tapered the front in any way as opposed to a square / flat entry (like the sides and stern), that would be a problem. I haven't seen it up close enough to be able to see that, most barges have a slope at the bow.

You must have graduated 1st in your class at navel engineering school. Row 40 minutes for a Guinness..you are a genius.

Sounds like it might be a cavitation problem. Might need to reprop and/or change the way the engines are mounted.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

That’s a timely article. It sure sounds like cavitation is a major issue in reading that. Their idea of getting custom propellers made may be the way to go, I believe the propellers for the G2 Evinrudes are specific to those engines, not a lot of aftermarket options.

..... oh yeah Biggd ...... with that new propeller that's just right for powering up The Dive ....... that there barge there ..... will be gett'n up on plane just so fast ..... it will be able to pull two water skiers right off from sitt'n on that Flightcraft dock without them gett'n their knees wet ..... new propellers is all it needs to make everything go good!

..... 2019 will be the year for The Dive!


....you gotta admit ...... putt'n a huge red sail, mast and boom on the barge could make it a way cool sailboat.
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Will be interesting to see what some different propellers do for moving The Dive around the lake, and if two-strokers have enough torque to make it work out good?

You know the US Coast Guard seems to have settled with using the 250-hp Honda, two or more per boat, for powering up their 35' something patrol boats. After trying all the different outboards, the Coasties go with Honda because they just need an engine that works good.

Seems like a Honda 4-stroker would have more torque with its' intake-compression-combustion-exhaust 4-cycles than an Evinrude 2-stroker with it's abbreviated, higher rpm, intake & compression - combustion & exhaust, 2-cycles?

Like, who knows ……. but maybe just maybe, Honda actually makes a 250 designed with an extra heavy gear case, a slower engine speed, and a larger propeller that is designed for pushing those slower, heavy, high water resistance loads ….. and it's named the Honda 250-b, with the b an abbreviation for barge …… like, who knows?

Today’s Laconia Sun has a good write up about the Dive, it also goes into more detail about the engine troubles they encountered on the high seas of Lake Winnipesaukee!

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

Most likely they will have to replace the lower "foot" of the outboards... that will allow them to essentially regear the motors and allow them to swing a much larger diameter propeller slowly... giving them more control and better thrust.

the little 14" diameter props on those outboards will def not cut it...


Woodsy

I thought that their engine problem was "solved".

From their FB page on August 18th.

"The Dive
August 18 ·
We ARE coming out to Smalls Cove!!!! Save us "our" spot please! Engine problem solved 🤞 see y'all soon! "

As an alternative approach to the water pick up issue, could forward facing scoops be afixed over the standard inlets?

Why not have a jet ski that can bring customers to the boat?

He is talking about cooling water to the motors. You seem to be talking about getting patrons to the boat. An entirely different issue.

.... but just no good?
 

So's, how come semi-tractors pulling a 53' van trailer with a gross vehicle weight of up to 40-tons always have a diesel 4-stroke engine as opposed to a gasoline 2-stroke engine?

Like, what the h was they thinking when they went and got two Evinrude 2-strokes, which are actually very, very expensive ...... but just no good for pushing along a huge, heavy barge like The Dive?

For many years until recently the Detroit Diesel was a 2 stroke that made plenty of power. The 6V71, 8V71, and 8V92 were 2 strokes used to power many trucks, boats, and a lot of fire apparatus. Many fire trucks and boats still use them. They fell out of favor with over the road trucks because of tighter emission restrictions.

The Evinrude Etec is a very good outboard. It has an auto winterization feature fogs the engines itself in minutes, with no trip to the dealer.

An Evinrude E-TEC engine does not require belts, camshafts or exhaust valves, which means there are fewer parts to wear down or malfunction than a four--stroke outboard.

I have owned them in the past and found the Etec to be quiet and smooth and almost maintenance free.

.... get the message?
 

Oh well ….. what with the big, big, high cost of a new 250hp outboard …. seems very likely The Dive will cross their arms and legs, cross all their fingers and toes ….and hope to high heaven …. their Evinrude E-Tec 250's be will good enough to get it moving good with two new and different propellers installed to replace what they have …. just got to give it a trial run ….. and think positive Evinrude thoughts!


Evinrude, Yes! …… Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ........ etcetera, etcetera, etcetera ….. and just a-keepa think'n this …… Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! …… get the message! :laugh::D


And, if the Evinrudes make the high heat buzzer sound up, what with the new props ..... or, they just don't cut it or something ..... there's always that 'Cash for Clunkers' program with the federal EPA .... just what got the Mount Washington their two new caterpillar diesels, back in 2009, worth $750,000 .... to replace their old 1940's diesels that made an iconic "wush-wush-wush" sound about two minutes ahead of the Mount coming around the bend ..... that "wush-wush-wush" done been replaced by an efficient but non-iconic bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound.

Weirs
 

I am certain that someone can find the link but the Dive will be stationed at the Weirs for 2019. Check Facebook.

Here's the Facebook post from East Coast Flightcraft for those that haven't looked for it yet:

https://www.facebook.com/EastCoastFl...83438728496737

Dive CopyCat
 

Looks like the Dive is being copied in Boston Harbor.

Phantom Gourmet BOSTON BREAKING FOOD NEWS https://thesomervillenewsweekly.blog...ing-food-news/

:D:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::D

Tried to open my Dive App today …………. (curious if there was any info of their new Home port)


got a pop-up saying ……... "app is no longer active"


Did the Dive drop the App????

Was Just on their facebook page, where they have announced that they will be opening on May 10th at the Winnipesaukee Pier....

Should make for an interesting summer to see how often the now venture out...

You would think that would take business away from the pier restaurant and bar? :confused:

I would think so. I am sure they are not going to be allowed to serve food or alcohol much like the MT Washington

How are they going to make money if they aren't allowed to sell food and alcohol? There really isn't any other reason to visit it unlike cruising on the Mount.

Just while at the dock. Looks like it is just for docking in the evening and taking out parties. On regular weekends it will leave early in the morning to reach its sandbar of choice for the day.

And get a head start on the Weirs Channel traffic ….. as I suspect they will be a regular fixture at the Margate sand bar (no complaining neighbors).

I doubt it..... I am willing to be that both could be very busy.....And I have to believe that the dive has every intention of serving dock side.

I have to believe that they noticed some flaws in their business model last year. One of which is a floating restaurant traveling to sand bars make great sense on the weekends. But is not cost effective during the week. Being tied up to a dock during the week however invites many more people to come aboard.

Where it might get dicee and interesting is if one has better food then the other....

Bottom line, restaurants survive all the time right next to each other...

I respectfully disagree. I believe this will just be a port for them as mentioned above and not serve dockside. I also think this is s much better location from last year allowing them to do more parties and easier to get to places like Braun Bay and Timber island


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It can't make it through the channel and under the bridge, can it?:eek:

They have stated on the facebook page that they could go under the bridge but I would think that might depend on lake level as it could be that close

I would like to be there to see that.

I would think that a majority of the time they would fit under the bridge. As joey pointed out it might be close dependent on water levels, and the hight of any masts they may have up....

The bigger problem here would be controling the vessel, and not causing a backup, as there might be a problem maintaining two way traffic as they go through the channel.

Even though those are two monster outboards. I don't believe the vessel handles all that well. If they have thrusters on the front that may help some... But the props on those engines just are not big enough to bite effectively in the water, for any type of exacting maneuvers which they would really need to be capable of to go through any channel...

Great thing about this country, we can disagree....

There is no doubt about the fact that having the Weirs as a home port will be a great advantage.... And I don't mean to imply that they will not go out... I am sure they will when the conditions are right.

I just think this is a maneuver to get more business, on the days that it is not advisable to go out. I simply can't believe that they are going to either do daily tours, or sit idly dockside when the weather is not co-operating. The Dive has limited seating etc. I somehow just don't think they are a threatening or concerning venue, and are planning to be just another dockside restaurant we they are not out and about...

The Dive ownership has eluded to the fact that the vessel is not as capable as they had hoped. And in fact last summer had cancelled on various plans because it was not advisable for them to be out. They have to have a license Capt. on the vessel to be out and navigating around the lake. No Capt, will be willing to risk their license by going out when conditions don't allow for safe handling of the vessel. Because the vessel doesn't handle as well as hoped, the number of days, a captain will be unwilling to take her out, is more then the business model I am sure was counting on....