Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 310097)

Great thing about this country, we can disagree....

There is no doubt about the fact that having the Weirs as a home port will be a great advantage.... And I don't mean to imply that they will not go out... I am sure they will when the conditions are right.

I just think this is a maneuver to get more business, on the days that it is not advisable to go out. I simply can't believe that they are going to either do daily tours, or sit idly dockside when the weather is not co-operating. The Dive has limited seating etc. I somehow just don't think they are a threatening or concerning venue, and are planning to be just another dockside restaurant we they are not out and about...

The Dive ownership has eluded to the fact that the vessel is not as capable as they had hoped. And in fact last summer had cancelled on various plans because it was not advisable for them to be out. They have to have a license Capt. on the vessel to be out and navigating around the lake. No Capt, will be willing to risk their license by going out when conditions don't allow for safe handling of the vessel. Because the vessel doesn't handle as well as hoped, the number of days, a captain will be unwilling to take her out, is more then the business model I am sure was counting on....

Originally Posted by Phantom (Post 310102)

The highest point for the Dive is it's sign -- and if I recall correctly it can be collapsed down..

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310090)

I respectfully disagree. I believe this will just be a port for them as mentioned above and not serve dockside. I also think this is s much better location from last year allowing them to do more parties and easier to get to places like Braun Bay and Timber island


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Originally Posted by Taz (Post 310118)

Look at the FB page, it says "We are now accessible by land! Opening May 10th at the Winnipesaukee Pier as a new hot spot on the water for lunch and dinner. We will still be at the sandbars with our boaters for lunch & fun when the weather gets warmer"

Hasn't it been said the Mount can not serve food or alcohol dockside? Exception motorcycle week? If that is true how did the Dive manage that?

Sandbars will be even tougher from the Weirs. Smalls and Braun Bay are now even further away. Margate is closer but with the issues mentioned previously. It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310119)

I agree that was the basis of my opinion. I cannot see how they can serve at the pier if the MT is not allowed (obviously with the exception of bike week)

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman (Post 310123)

Without ever having seen ramifications from this business, we seem to have dozens upon dozens of unaffected people trying to control the outcome of a business.

The Fall of 2018 seemed to be a "test" for the vessel,

yet the entitled that live near the PUBLIC water seemed to have issues

even PRIOR to this raft setting adrift from Alton Bay.


MY VOTE, GO DIVE

Originally Posted by Descant (Post 310124)

I don't know why you think the Mount is not allowed to serve. They cruise every night, (Yes,except Bike Week). Imagine the headaches if they allowed people onboard after the afternoon cruise, while they're cleaning up, setting up the dinner buffet, perhaps changing crews, etc. and then, at 65:00 or 6:15 had to shoo them all off, close out their bills, clean up again, etc before 6:30 when evening cruise customers are waiting to board.

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310128)

You are misunderstanding. A patron cannot exit and enter the mount to just eat and drink. It is just for patrons taking the cruise it is NOT a stationary bar/restaurant

Originally Posted by Woodsy (Post 310129)

YA... except you know Bike Week! I am pretty sure the Mount CHOOSES not to be a stationary bar/restaurant.

Woodsy

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 310178)

Exactly...... I would find it hard to believe that if the Mount desired too, it wouldn't be allowed stayed tied up at the dock, and run as a restaurant. However that is not their business model, except during bike week. The business model is for the vessel to be out on the lake, they make a lot of money doing that.... even with out the food and liquor sales.

The Dive on the other hand, is in business to sell liqour and food. While yes it can do some charter work, but given its size and design it is extremely limited in that ability.

Business models are business models.... trying to compare the Mt. Washington to the The Dive, is like comparing apples to bananas...

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 310178)

Exactly...... I would find it hard to believe that if the Mount desired too, it wouldn't be allowed stayed tied up at the dock, and run as a restaurant. However that is not their business model, except during bike week. The business model is for the vessel to be out on the lake, they make a lot of money doing that.... even with out the food and liquor sales.

The Dive on the other hand, is in business to sell liqour and food. While yes it can do some charter work, but given its size and design it is extremely limited in that ability.

Business models are business models.... trying to compare the Mt. Washington to the The Dive, is like comparing apples to bananas...

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310189)

I cannot see people paying premium pricing for alcohol and food just to sit at the pier in either case

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310189)

I think their business models are similar in that they both depend on getting paid premium pricing to take patrons out on the lake. Both have high overhead given the cost of building the Dive and maintaining the Mount. I cannot see people paying premium pricing for alcohol and food just to sit at the pier in either case

Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 310221)

Well, there are other local waterfront establishments where people are willing to pay a little more to eat and drink and they are not floating. The Margate, Akwa, Town Docks in Meredith, Naswa, come to mind.

So if you can be floating, and a little further out in the water, why would you think people would avoid The Dive but the other places I mentioned do plenty of business.

I don't think the only means to success for The Dive involve travelling. It will either catch on as a "hot spot" or not. I would expect that, and the future of The Dive, will be pretty evident by mid July.

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 310119)

I agree that was the basis of my opinion. I cannot see how they can serve at the pier if the MT is not allowed (obviously with the exception of bike week)

Originally Posted by Reilly (Post 310779)

City of Laconia own the Weirs docks, they do not own the pier, 2 sets of laws

Originally Posted by rsmlp (Post 310782)

Just out of curiosity what was the thread with the most amount of posts and is this one closing in?

thx

Originally Posted by rsmlp (Post 310782)

Just out of curiosity what was the thread with the most amount of posts and is this one closing in?

thx

Originally Posted by Island Girl (Post 310801)

Price of progress I guess. Behave yourself on the Dive; we can see you. :):)

Originally Posted by webmaster (Post 310803)

I can't imagine that The Dive will remain at the gas dock and in the view of the webcam. That would really reduce the gas sales if half the dock was blocked. I think it is where it is now because it's easier to work on at the gas dock. I assume the pier has another position for it once the work is done.

I hope it does move since it will block the view of the Mount at its dock!

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Originally Posted by webmaster (Post 310803)

I can't imagine that The Dive will remain at the gas dock and in the view of the webcam.