Zoning laws are just that.

What kind of a zoning board would violate the laws?

We are a country of laws. If those citizens don't like the laws they can change them.

If any business meets the laws - then they go in. Or the town gets a lawsuit.
I don't think that anyone wants a lawsuit.

Understand some folks don't want such a business. But not wanting cannot violate the zoning laws of any city or town.

Zoning Laws
 

You are correct Songkrai about the zoning and building codes. Can't help but wonder what DG is thinking by submitting prelim plans that do not even come close to the current codes or vision statement. (even after they were provided with some detailed information before the formal application was submitted).
Could it be that they have experienced certain towns welcoming them and waiving certain issues?

The vision statement as I understand it, is just that- the town's vision for the future. I do not believe it dictates what can be built but what they want to see built! We can't even agree on whether the town needs sidewalks let alone what can be built!

The Dunkin'Donuts in Wolfeboro was fought for two years at least. So now every time when I go by and it is packed it makes me laugh. I think that people maybe don't like change?

I hear, thru the grapevine, that an alternate location could be next to Tedeschi's.

Great - That is all we need! It is so difficult to get out of Redding as it is without any new businesses.

I thought that was supposed to be a dollar store a while back, then the chains merged.

Honestly this is similar to people who are anti-uber. get a life. if DG is unsupported by the local population it will FAIL. Otherwise, they deserve and the people of Moultonboro deserve that they compete.

Get a life? So someone who doesn't want to see their community destroyed by chains and/or businesses that don't fit the culture (see Walmart destroying small-town Vermont or building on cemetery grounds) or who are against a company whose background checks miss criminals (August, 2015) don't have lives?

Nimby
 

Not in my back yard:laugh:

Like Mom and Pop places even run background checks. And you cannot cite a date, you name the source.

Explain how Dunkin Donuts ruined your life again?

Very simple - if they open don't go there and if enough people follow suit they will close. If they don't follow zoning laws they cannot open. Rules are rules, you don't get to pick and choose who the rules apply to.

But but but, I paid a lot of money for "MY" lakefront property and therefore I get a bigger say . Besides I have a bigger boat than you do so there!

Not thrilled with DD, either--would much rather places like The Cup and Crumb. And of course I can cite a date--use your Google skills and search "August Uber background checks," and you'll find all the sources you need. Sorry I assumed you know how to find information.

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There is a lot wrong with this statement. If someone bought lakefront property then it is THEIRS, not everybody else s. If they bought a bigger boat, then it is THEIR monthly payment, not YOURS, The only ones with a bigger say are the ones that make the most noise (and I'm NOT pointing anyone out)

I think his post was made in jest :look:

You should first provide the information to google before you post a derogatory remark about someones computer search skills!! - criminal background check August 2015 is not quite enough info.

The comment I responded to referred to Uber. I guess I take too much for granted here.

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Wolfeboro Moved Its "Downtown"...
 

Wolfeboro's new Rite Aid "retired" two locally-owned pharmacy businesses downtown. A family pharmacy replaced those two as competitors, but you have to drive to that new store. For me, "downtown" has moved—where I meet-up again with old friends. :)

Wolfeboro once had a Ben Franklin store—which I recall, was received by Wolfeboro residents without complaint. Ben Franklin stores' originator collected other "Dollar" franchises and became Dollar Tree. (Among 4000 other outlets).

Speaking of batteries, they carry a "low-draw" application, for seasonal smoke detectors (2 @ $1) and seasonally-used clocks. (4 @ $1). At one time, you could buy as many solar-powered pathway lamps as you wanted for $1 each. (Peek inside, and you'll see a rechargeable battery).

:patriot: At a time with 94 million Americans not working, shunning Dollar Stores in "vacation" regions seems misdirected.

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Canada has Dollar stores. 'Seems like we could do the same, eh?

:look:

I've been only once to Wolfeboro's Dunkin Donuts , but Dunkin Donuts found me. :( Did you know they provide "recyclable" breakfast trays? Several were discarded along our dusty roadside during the three years a "spec-built" McMansion went up near us.

Maybe they haven't found the rest of us yet?

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Completely extraneous, Uber and background checks have nothing to do with a dollar store. Nor do pawn shops and bail bondsmen (where is there one of those again?).

Again, laws and rules are laws and rules, you live within them. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to patronize.

I hope they don't get permission, but if they do it's not the end of the world.

Indeed, Redding Lane and RT25 were to be fixed as part of a 2008 Road presentation by the State (see presentation on the Moultonborough web site). I for one will INSIST, if a location next to Tedeschi's becomes an option, that the Planning Board and BOS insist, as part of any Order of Conditions, that Dollar General make AND pay for ALL improvements to Redding Lane / RT25 in the vicinity that were part of the prior study as well as any new ideas we can come up with (traffic light, street lights, turning lanes, redesigned lane configurations, site line changes, property takings for improvements, etc. etc.) before any future occupancy. There is more than one way to fix the problems.... I hope others will stand with me !

I am not sure where they would plan on entering that site unless it was at Tedeschis. We had a tough time moving the snowmobile crossing to where it is now (almost at the church) due to required site lines.

I will definitely stand with you. It is so difficult to get out to RT25 from Redding Lane at the present time. A Dollar General would almost make it impossible to get out on the main road.

It is open
 

Looks better than most, on the outside.

Like, why in the world would one want to go to Dollar General, when one can go to Wal-Mart, or to Family Dollar, which has low prices on Family Dollar brand alkaline batteries..... size D-C-AA-AAA ..... but not the square 9v smoke alarm battery.

A new Dollar General is under construction in Campton, on what was a totally un-developed commercial lot, perched above the Mad River, about one mile east of Exit-28, on Rt 49, close to the Mad River Tavern.

We all know who the expert on cheap is on this forum.:laugh:

I agree.

But let's not make just NEW businesses.
Let's make the Village Kitchen pay.
Laconia Savings bank (BNH) pay.
Murphy's General store pay.
The Country Store pay.
The United Methodist Church pay.
The doctors office pay.
Mark Richter's pay.
Dunkin Donuts pay.
The car wash.
Keepsake Quilting pay.
Cruzcon pay.
And many more.

If DG fails there, it will become the new Moultonborough rec center. It looks pretty good overall.

:laugh::laugh: You have a good point, Vita!!

You're living in the dark ages. It's all about Amazon and other i-retailers. Just look at AMZN Vs retail stocks. This is 2017 and brick and mortar shopping is on the way out. Resistance is futile. They are the BORG!

I respectfully disagree. I am involved in commercial real estate with several major national tenants. E Commerce only makes up 10% of a brick and mortar companies sales and traditional retailers have seen an up tick the past two years in sales. Brick and mortar are far from dead.


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Dead? Of course not. They just don't realize they're on life support is all.

You are completely incorrect. I have been involved in commercial real estate for 30 years and it is as strong as ever. Please do not opine about what your are just guessing about and not experienced.


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And don't be so arrogant as to tell me what to opine on! I am a VERY experienced retired investment pro and I KNOW trends. The long term trend of brick and mortar is downhill. Period. Just look at the stock prices of Sears, Macy's, Dicks Sporting Goods etc...the list is long.

When is the official opening or is it already open?

I'm surprised someone in commercial real estate would have that opinion. Yes 'commerical' is more than retail (and I really hope that's where your stance is coming from). I think most in commercial real estate would say that brick and mortar retail is struggling, but there are other sectors that are thriving - non chain restaurants, cafe's, apartment and condo complex's etc. etc.

I'm in tech and work with some of the world largest retailers on a daily basis who are built on a brick and mortar model. Retail brick and mortar is not slowly but QUICKLY dying. There's a reason Staples is about to go completely private (most likely bought by private equity) as they have lost the race to amazon in online retail as they know their store's days are numbered. There's a reason Nordstrom is struggling and moving to an app-based model with an online wardrobe assistant that will take all of your measurements and mail you a box weekly with various outfits for you to try. Keep what you like and mail back what you dont' all on their dime. Only pay for what you keep (yes expensive which is why i dont' do it, but my point is the buying and consumer models are changing quickly). Brick and Mortar Retail I'm sure will alway exist, just get cut by 75+% over the next several years... I could go on with countless examples similar to those.

It's the old "adapt or die" quote or now "innovate or die" approach for companies. If you're not a software company, you wont survive and you've already lost - doesn't mean you sell software, but that you heavily rely on software, analytics (software), artificial intelligence (software) and machine learning (software) etc. to run your business, reach your customers, and make sure you are constantly innovating ahead of your competitors. You don't want to get 'Kodak'd' where you own the entire photo market, and think a digital camera will never take market share from you because you think you are just too big and own too much of the market...

And if you still think I'm crazy, check out the attachment that compares brick and mortar companies revenues of some of the world's largest and most reputable retailers from 2006 to 2016 in the attached.


Link for Staples in case someone was interested:
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...s-just-in-time

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if they do not know that facts or just place analysis on stock prices. I am currently on the inside track with many major retailers and there sales and real estate management department will absolutely disagree with both your assessments. If they are in such trouble why are they renewing their leases with large built in escalations and not renegotiating for reduced rent or escalations. My knowledge is national not regional.


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Seriously?! Because they're run by professional managers and NOT owners! They have no skin in the game! What the hell are they going to do? Roll up and give up? NO. They build knowing that it's futile. Damn people, really?? Wake up to the 21st century or get rolled over.

Stores? What are those things?? I will take Amazon prime and free shipping please ;)

uuuummmmm
 

Not big enough for a town pool, this is a town that has the most waterfront of any town on the biggest lake in NH......Fool's Folly...

What selectman's name would the new building carry ?

Dinosaurs can only do what they know...
 

I work in tech. and one company I worked for had a different division that was still investing in microfiche business in 2005. Thats what they knew. They talked of making money in a declining sector by dominating the declining sector... They kept pushing money in until there was nothing more to make.

As an aside, the only constant is change, but the pace of change thats coming is gonna be at neck snapping speed.