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Images broadcatst on TV in the near future of direly ill patients being denied medical care because the hospitals are overwhelmed will not instill holiday cheer if what I fear may soon happen does indeed come to pass. It's clear by now that this is not "just a flu:" over a quarter million dead Americans and still counting. We were once a group of people able to work together for a common purpose, e.g. defeating the Axis in WWII; what happened to us? |
What many people are not recognizing through all this is the nurses and doctors that are putting their lives on hold to help all these people who are infected with this desease, many of whom have disregarded all the precautions to slow the spread. It's really not fair to them to disregard the science and do what ever you want to do because you are willing to take the risk. They can't make that choice, they are at risk 24/7 because their job is to help people no matter the risk.
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It's been almost 9 months and most of us have been behaving and doing as we have been directed to do by our government and "experts". And yet here is another surge. And although this surge was expected my guess is the same demographic is being impacted again -- the elderly and those with underlying health issues. So why not insist they stay inside and be protected? The elderly (and some obviously unhealthy people) are still out shopping at Hannaford, WalMart, Lowe's, etc. so they are putting themselves at risk by being out there among potential carriers. Sorry, but we haven't insisted those at risk stay at home -- and to me that seems to be the best way to protect them. GB |
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Masks to slow the Spread
Many people have missed the larger point. Our healthcare systems have a limited capacity. Each hospital room requires a certain amount of trained health professions, which are a limited resource. When a hospital is forced to reallocate its human resources to care for very ill covid patients, that means there are no staff left to take care of other emergencies.
The entire plea to slow the spread is to preserve the healthcare system and not burn out the finite healthcare workers. For those that are selfish enough to ignore the request to wear a mask, just hope you do not come into ill health such as a heart attack or an accident where you need hospital care and you arrive to find they are full and not taking anyone! |
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250K is like 5X the number of Americans killed in Vietnam, or 60X the number killed on 9/11. But maybe you shrug at these too? |
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The point is that so few will die from this disease (see the numbers) and yet we are not doing enough to protect the most vulnerable. We slap on a mask and call it good. Those individuals need to be better protected. Now, because you are a total stranger and have zero affect on my life in any way I will not start a pointless back and forth with you. GB |
Putting this virus into perspective can be helpful. First, gravy boats math is correct but his contention that "only" 250,000 will die needs to be rephrased have died. The projections I'm seeing indicate that by the end of February when the epidemic had been with us for a full year that number is likely to be over 400,000.
By way of comparison, annual US deaths run around: drinking and driving (10,000), opioid abuse (70,000), influenza (10 yr avg around 38,000), and smoking-related (480,000). I am honestly interested in gravy boat's suggestion the the most vulnerable should be better protected. Thoughts on how that might be done, gravy boat? |
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the numbers before the MA shut down went down???? but those were over a month old and should not have changes oh wait and the shut down period numbers almost all went down, except for the household clusters which rose. The State's numbers not mine. I am just a citizens watching and doing my own research on the virus cases and fear. The state shut down hockey due to the case info prior to 10/18. 30 clusters for 107 cases. Now clusters across All Organized Athletics/Camps in the state is 30 clusters for 7, yes 7 cases for that period and the clusters went down from 14 to 12 for the 3 week period and the cases went down from 41 to 31 again the definition of a cluster is more than two cases coming from the same spot. |
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I am a senior citizen on the younger end of the Covid danger range but do have one of the comorbidities. I would like to push back on the notion that I should just stay home and protect myself. I do need groceries and am perfectly capable of getting out to shop and would like to save the options of costly delivery or burdening neighbors to get them for a time when I could be sick. Do I quit going out for regular doctor, dentist or dermatologist appointments and regular tests that now are hopefully keeping me healthy? I am willing to forego seeing grandchildren and friends in person - Zoom and Facetime will suffice for now. I do wear a mask, social distance and carry hand sanitizer to use, maybe obsessively, so I feel as if I am doing everything I can to still fulfill my needs and be safe. What I need is for YOU to do your part and do the same. I think most realize the necessity and are doing a good job, but it is very disheartening to read of those who have decided to take their chances and don't feel any any responsibility for protecting someone like me. I can't do it alone!
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Your either/or thing is also a distraction--one used repeatedly by politicians who have failed to take this seriously enough. Of course we should protect the vulnerable, AND we should all be wearing masks, AND social distancing in general. |
It is impossible to fully insulate people from the possibility of contracting Covid-19: unless you live in a cave, grow all your own food, make your own clothes and never come in contact with people you are a target.
Consider for example the plight of our most vulnerable population: those in care facilities due to poor health / advanced age. They require that others care for them, and it is the caregivers that typically are the weak link as they do not live in a protected environment: many of these workers are fairly uneducated low paid folk living in "the real world." While a doctor or nurse may have the empathy and fortitude to follow safety procedures when not at work (mask, social distancing, hand cleanliness) that is seemingly not the case for the entry level care givers who work in nursing homes and in home care facilities. My buddy is an in home care giver, and he describes a revolving door of new entry level employees, and how clueless and lacking in discipline some of them are: it just takes one gaff for a care giver to get infected and then infect the entire facility. No, to beat this thing we must all work together, difficult though it may be, or in the alternative collectively say "to hell with it, WGAS if they die?" and let the chips fall where they may. Me, I vote for door number one. |
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I found out today about someone I know who visited her mother in Rhode Island recently, quarantined when she came back to NH, showed symptoms and tested positive. Just goes to show that someone dear to you can give it to you just as easily as a stranger. Gravy boat is right. We need to be smart about this and beat it. If we don’t learn from the past we are bound to repeat our mistakes.
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The mandate would seem to mandate requiring a mask, indoors or out, when you can’t social distance. So walking in a crowd out doors requires a mask if no social distancing as would walking into a restaurant with no distancing. There are a lot of exceptions and stipulations so you really need to read it if it is important to you. |
Sununu - 1,000 Cases Per Day - Covid-19
Looks same as MA but MA says ‘even where they are able to maintain 6’ of distance from others ‘.
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And ..... don't forget ....... as Smokey Bear would say, if he were allowed by the government to say this ...... Only You Can Come to Waterville Valley! ...... so's you got to settle for hearing it said by Bruce the Moose! ...... Only You Can Come to Waterville Valley! ...... sayeth ..... Bruce the Moose! Bruce the Moose also says "35-miles is the driving distance from the big intersection in Meredith via Rt-175, Holderness ..... hut-hut-hut .... (natural moose sounds)" In addition ..... Bruce the Moose also says the corona virus totally hates all that bromine treated swim pool water ...... yuuuchy-pooh ...... sayeth the corona virus to that humid swim pool/bromine pool and pool room. The corona virus thrives at the nearby indoor ice arena www.wvicearena.com with its cold dry air enclosed by the hockey boards and plexi-glass surround, but not at the warm and humid swim pool filled with bromine treated water ...... you got that ...... understand! |
Risk tolerance
It comes down to risk. Using the Georgia Tech risk model, plugging in either Carroll or NH numbers, there is a 1% chance that someone that you spend time with will be contagious. If reported numbers are low (likely), say 10X low, then there is a 10% chance that someone that you meet is contagious. Using statistical methods, a party of five has a 2% chance that one person will be infectious (20% if 10X underreported). In some states, the risk is much higher.
The new state guidelines seem reasonable to me. Several weeks after the holidays, as winter hibernation sets in, the spreading rate should settle down. |
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Helpful, inexpensive hint: for hand sanitizing, I use a small plastic bottle with a pop off lid that I fill with 70% isopropyl alcohol.
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Massachusetts mandate
Massachusetts doesn’t want people from Maine or NH unless they have had a negative COVID test within 3 days or they have to quarantine for 14 days. I have been informed that this means the travelers would have to stay in quarantine in MA for 14 days. This cannot be right. How could this be enforced? Can one of you brilliant forum members give their interpretation of this?
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I think they can do whatever they want to do if they want. This is part of my concern.
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If following virus protocols make sense to you, no enforceable mandate required. If they don't make sense to you, well... Just another take on the divisions that separate the factions of people who do/don't do what it will take to calm all this down. Seems to me history will view this time as an era of people who, through lack of unity, decimated their own society. |
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I never said not to take any advice or follow any precautions. People should be diligent and taking care of themselves and others but I think it’s important to remember everybody has different levels of diligence I’m comfortable seeing my family With 20 people others might not be but that our choice everybody has to make their own |
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