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ApS 08-14-2023 05:14 PM

Missing "Normal" Yet...?
 
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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 386580)
My wife just shared this with me. Poor Chris Craft.
https://indepthnh.org/2023/08/13/wol...investigation/

That may be a Hackercraft. :eek2:

I have sent an email to the NHMP to confirm that name and the location of the "accident". Technically, it maybe been Tuftonboro Bay (Libby Museum area) and not Winter Harbor (Carry Beach area).

That "rescue trip" to Tuftonboro could've been very short. :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by SAB1 (Post 386600)
Only reason they fled was they were hammered. No other reason to run. You just put a boat worth $100k on the a dock. They are gonna get caught cause you know they gotta call their insurance company lol.

What responsibility has the insurance company to inform authorities? :confused:

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 386637)
The guy who hit a rock just hit a rock. Destroying somebody else's boat and fleeing may be criminal. If not criminal, it's at least subject to a civil lawsuit. Either way leaves a public record

"Failure to keep a proper watch" is a ticketable offense. Whether points are assessed is unknown to me.

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Originally Posted by Woodsy (Post 386644)
Unfortunately it will be almost impossible to prove impairment or who was driving... Although there may be some charges forthcoming from the investigation. The silver lining of this accident is that thankfully nobody was killed and most likely there is plenty of liability insurance on that 50' SeaRay to cover both the dock rebuild and the old woody rebuild. Woodsy

...And the lake can return to Normal--right?

We may be grooming Lake Winnipesaukee's own Robert Lapointe!

https://www.mrlakefront.net/newsdeta...id=1080&start=

Cobaltdeadhead 08-14-2023 05:15 PM

What is amazing to me is not one person on that Sea Ray has come forward. If my own son did something that dumb and criminal while I was on his boat, I'd turn him in.

Crap morals and values with every one of those people

Jeanzb1 08-14-2023 05:22 PM

I may be mistaken, but I believe that the picture of the 50’ Sea Ray is at Mountain View, not Silver Sands. We also heard that the big yellow crane over there belongs to him.


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WinterHarborGuy 08-14-2023 05:33 PM

The accident was in the area of the bay right where it goes towards Libby. Pretty close to the corner between the Carry Beach area from the Libby Beach Area.

Wrecked boat not a Chris Craft. Still a beautiful craft.

TiltonBB 08-14-2023 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeanzb1 (Post 386664)
I may be mistaken, but I believe that the picture of the 50’ Sea Ray is at Mountain View, not Silver Sands. We also heard that the big yellow crane over there belongs to him.


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You are mistaken. Docking on that side belongs to Silver Sands. It is across from Mountain View's I Dock but not part of it. The owner of the SeaRay does own cranes.

Poor Richard 08-14-2023 06:33 PM

What are the chances that SeaRay lives on Mammoth Rd in Windham?

Looks strikingly similar to a boat I've seen on stands in a side yard during the off season

Cobaltdeadhead 08-14-2023 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Poor Richard (Post 386667)
What are the chances that SeaRay lives on Mammoth Rd in Windham?

Looks strikingly similar to a boat I've seen on stands in a side yard during the off season

I kinda doubt that boat is moved anywhere but near shore on Winnipesaukee. It would be huge money to move a boat that size to Windham.

Sue Doe-Nym 08-14-2023 07:22 PM

Windham and Pelham
 
The Searay is registered out of Windham and the other one, the escape boat, is registered out of Pelham according to the news.

John Mercier 08-14-2023 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 386658)
I was at a boat repair shop near Exeter and a person who works their, and knew I kept my boat on Winni, brought the accident up unsolicited. He add that a rumor is circulating that the owner has said that the boat was stolen by a bunch of kids. I wonder???????


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I think that would make the boat coming to their aid... accessory to grand theft.
Would it really be worth holding back reporting to change a misdemeanor into a felony?

I've seen it done... but usually by a single individual acting really stupid.

LoveLakeLife 08-14-2023 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobaltdeadhead (Post 386629)
Make a condition of operating with a suspended license the same as a car; you get caught, you go to jail. This wealthy A-hole should not be above the law

Wealthy = bad?


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tis 08-15-2023 04:30 AM

The boat is regularly in Winter Harbor visiting someone. I didn't know people owned their own cranes. How does that work?

Cobaltdeadhead 08-15-2023 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife (Post 386673)
Wealthy = bad?


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No

I'm simply implying that in the American court system, those with the means to afford high priced attorneys tend to receive lesser sentences than those that cannot afford such representation.

It shouldn't be that way. This jerk should receive the same sentence as someone else committing similar crimes who doesn't have those means and requires a public defender.

steve-on-mark 08-15-2023 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 386666)
You are mistaken. Docking on that side belongs to Silver Sands. It is across from Mountain View's I Dock but not part of it. The owner of the SeaRay does own cranes.

Correct...here is the view from Mt. View looking at Silver Sands.

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TiltonBB 08-15-2023 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tis (Post 386678)
The boat is regularly in Winter Harbor visiting someone. I didn't know people owned their own cranes. How does that work?

You go into the crane business and buy some cranes. You hire operators and rent them out. People use them, usually on construction sites, and the crane owner hopes to make money.

There you go. No need to thank me.

tis 08-15-2023 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 386683)
You go into the crane business and buy some cranes. You hire operators and rent them out. People use them, usually on construction sites, and the crane owner hopes to make money.

There you go. No need to thank me.

Not sure how to take your post. Are you being funny, sarcastic, or just plain mean? I didn't take the OPs comment to mean that the operator owned a crane business, I thought maybe if you docked at Silver Sands you could have your own crane in your berth and I had never heard of it.

ApS 08-15-2023 07:26 AM

No Attorney Necessary...
 
I just realized this morning that I had a front seat to this "accident"! :eek2:

That explains all the boat traffic while I was having an early lunch. There may have been a second barge docked there at the time.

One excavator barge left this morning at 7:30AM.

The crash took place at a prominent point of shoreline we've always called Camp Keewaydin--after the road that services the area.

The wrecked boat is one I've seen docking a number of times. The operator's handling skills are amazing. He docks that boat as if it had side-thrusters!

The HackerCraft may be totalled, although both new and ancient examples range from $35,000 to $120,000+. These boats have been manufactured--and raced--since the roaring Twenties.

http://www.classicboat.com/antique-b...mmuter-27k.htm
(Notice the removed shoes of all aboard flopped in the center: only bare feet allowed!)

As for the "driver" of the offending boat, I think he tripped on a boat cushion, hit his head on the throttle, crashed, recalled the fatal skiing accident of Liam Neesom's wife (head injury), phoned for help, was rushed to shore nearby, then feeling better, and no worse for wear, later declined further assistance from friends.

Would it be schadenfreude if the Hacker Craft belonged to him? :emb:

ishoot308 08-15-2023 07:48 AM

Accident Location
 
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This is where the accident took place....

ishoot308 08-15-2023 07:54 AM

Value
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 386686)
The HackerCraft may be totalled, although both new and ancient examples range from $35,000 to $120,000+.

APS;

Don't you think that Hackercraft is worth a heck of a lot more than that?? I see one "original" on boat trader going for $670,000.00!! This one involved in the accident is probably not an early original but still the value has to be much higher...

I personally would much rather have the Hackercraft than the Searay!!

Dan

Woodsy 08-15-2023 08:01 AM

ishoot...

Word on the FB fb pages is that the woody was a replica, not an original. Not that is any consolation given the large amount of damage.

It will be interesting to see this all play out...

Woodsy

Mallets Bay 08-15-2023 08:04 AM

AND...tampering with evidence, willful misconduct, reckless endangerment, and obstruction.

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 386595)
Since it’s State Police, I’m betting leaving the scene of a boating accident is the same as leaving the scene of a car accident. As far as alcohol use - there is now no way to prove it. May have been why they left the scene but, we’ll never know for sure.

Sad about the beautiful Chris-Craft but at least no one was hurt.


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ishoot308 08-15-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy (Post 386690)
ishoot...

Word on the FB fb pages is that the woody was a replica, not an original. Not that is any consolation given the large amount of damage.

It will be interesting to see this all play out...

Woodsy

I figured it was a replica but it is still made by Hackercraft correct?...they are still making boats and I see the Hackercraft sticker and logo on the side...so while it is a replica design of a old woody, it's still a Hackercraft....

https://hackerboat.com/boat_builder/...runabout/front

FlyingScot 08-15-2023 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 386595)
Since it’s State Police, I’m betting leaving the scene of a boating accident is the same as leaving the scene of a car accident. As far as alcohol use - there is now no way to prove it. May have been why they left the scene but, we’ll never know for sure.

Sad about the beautiful Chris-Craft but at least no one was hurt.


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On the alcohol--I'm pretty sure that there are going to be a number of people on each boat who will want to testify after the police explain their own legal peril to them. For example...

Driver of getaway boat: "I wasn't helping someone flee the scene of the crime...I got a call that my friend was completely trashed and had run his boat up on the rocks...I didn't even see the woody...I just wanted to get my drunk buddies home before they got hurt"

Shreddy 08-15-2023 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishoot308 (Post 386688)
APS;

Don't you think that Hackercraft is worth a heck of a lot more than that?? I see one "original" on boat trader going for $670,000.00!! This one involved in the accident is probably not an early original but still the value has to be much higher...

I personally would much rather have the Hackercraft than the Searay!!

Dan

If I had to guess that's an early 90's Hacker. Still original and still very costly, probably close to $350-400k value. Wooden boats are still being made by certain manufacturers but often construed to be "antique".

TiltonBB 08-15-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tis (Post 386685)
Not sure how to take your post. Are you being funny, sarcastic, or just plain mean? I didn't take the OPs comment to mean that the operator owned a crane business, I thought maybe if you docked at Silver Sands you could have your own crane in your berth and I had never heard of it.

The crane was rented from Astro Crane a company out of Boxborough, MA. The boat is being taken out of the water this morning at 10 AM. For the present time it will be left on blocks and stands at Silver Sands Marina.

The travel lift at Silver Sands is not big enough to lift the SeaRay. The boat weighs about 20,000 pounds more than the Silver Sands travel lift can pick up.

This location has been the site of several of the launches for the largest boats on the lake. Each time, a large capacity crane has been brought in.

codeman671 08-15-2023 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 386658)
I was at a boat repair shop near Exeter and a person who works their, and knew I kept my boat on Winni, brought the accident up unsolicited. He add that a rumor is circulating that the owner has said that the boat was stolen by a bunch of kids. I wonder???????


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The crew trying to escape certainly didn't look like a bunch of kids...In fact one of them looks like the guy in my picture previously taken in Meredith a few years ago.

I doubt they will get away with that story. I'd be pretty surprised to see a 50' Sea Ray piloted at night by a bunch of kids make it even that far.

I think we all know what happened here... A bunch of drunks being drunks. This guy rides around like he owns the lake and is untouchable. Hopefully he gets nailed hard on this one. People like this have no place on Winnipesaukee. He will kill someone if he keeps it up.

There is a good chance that boat is Coast Guard registered being of that size. With the HIN anyone can look it up on the CG site if it is CG registered.

TiltonBB 08-15-2023 10:56 AM

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A couple of delays but the lifting process has begun.

tis 08-15-2023 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApS (Post 386662)
That may be a Hackercraft. :eek2:

I have sent an email to the NHMP to confirm that name and the location of the "accident". Technically, it maybe been Tuftonboro Bay (Libby Museum area) and not Winter Harbor (Carry Beach area).

That "rescue trip" to Tuftonboro could've been very short. :rolleye2:



What responsibility has the insurance company to inform authorities? :confused:


"Failure to keep a proper watch" is a ticketable offense. Whether points are assessed is unknown to me.



...And the lake can return to Normal--right?

We may be grooming Lake Winnipesaukee's own Robert Lapointe!

https://www.mrlakefront.net/newsdeta...id=1080&start=

We always called it Keewaydin Point. They used to have cottages for rent, now they are condos.

ishoot308 08-15-2023 11:58 AM

Keewaydin Point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tis (Post 386708)
We always called it Keewaydin Point.

That is what I have always known it as well...

Dan

TheTimeTraveler 08-15-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 386705)
A couple of delays but the lifting process has begun.

This is good news that the boat is being removed from the water. The problem is that the owner may go out and either rent or buy another boat instead.....

TiltonBB 08-15-2023 01:14 PM

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OOPS! On land and it may be there for a while.

LIforrelaxin 08-15-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 386715)
OOPS! On land and it may be there for a while.

So we see the one mangled prop what did the other one look like?
I also wonder what the keel looked like.....

Hummm I wonder if it will still be at the Marina, this weekend I will have to take a ride buy and see what can be viewed...

steve-on-mark 08-15-2023 02:28 PM

It's set up on stands... don't imagine it'll be leaving anytime soon, otherwise they would have dropped it on a trailer.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0f7d3ab60b.jpg

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The Real BigGuy 08-15-2023 03:44 PM

Good! I would really be disappointed if he walks. I hope the ChrisCraft owner gets every penny he is due. Too bad you can’t put a price tag on heartbreak!


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TiltonBB 08-15-2023 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 386717)
So we see the one mangled prop what did the other one look like?
I also wonder what the keel looked like.....

Hummm I wonder if it will still be at the Marina, this weekend I will have to take a ride buy and see what can be viewed...

The other prop is damaged but not nearly as bad. The rudder is bent and the boat is leaking slightly. Nothing the bilge pump couldn't keep up with when it was in the water. There is some keel damage but not as much as you would expect.

I am pretty sure the chrome piece and the cloth tangled in the prop are from the boat that got run over.

tis 08-15-2023 05:22 PM

We saw the Hackercraft today.

TheTimeTraveler 08-15-2023 09:40 PM

The subject boat may be out longer than one thinks if it is needed in case this accident situation goes to a trial (i.e. evidence).

In any event, I don't think it will be back in the lake in 2023.

ApS 08-16-2023 04:01 AM

A Judge Should Restrict Him to Canoes...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ishoot308 (Post 386688)
APS;Don't you think that Hackercraft is worth a heck of a lot more than that?? I see one "original" on boat trader going for $670,000.00!! This one involved in the accident is probably not an early original but still the value has to be much higher...I personally would much rather have the Hackercraft than the Searay!!
Dan

Those figures came from auction sites. (and included a +). ;)

Other figures can include "provenance". (Serial number 1000, once owned by Vanna White, Janis Joplin, Shah of Iran, etc...)

The late Janis Joplin's 1964 Porsche 356C sold for $1,740, 000 eight years ago. (About 13 times today's evaluations).
https://money.cnn.com/2015/12/10/lux...ion/index.html

(My personal 1964 Porsche 356C awaits restoration. :) )
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Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler (Post 386731)
The subject boat may be out longer than one thinks if it is needed in case this accident situation goes to a trial (i.e. evidence).

In any event, I don't think it will be back in the lake in 2023.

For the rest of the summer, a man of his means can't buy some other gargantuan powerboat to endanger Lake Winnipesaukee's boats and docks? (And cause the Lake's third hit-and-run?).

tis 08-16-2023 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS (Post 386732)
For the rest of the summer, a man of his means can't buy some other gargantuan powerboat to endanger Lake Winnipesaukee's boats and docks? (And cause the Lake's third hit-and-run?).

I can't imagine he will be using any boat for a while if for not more than a hit and run charge. They may even suspend his driver's license.

codeman671 08-16-2023 05:37 AM

Word on the street is that the owner of the 50 left the state and is avoiding the police. It wasn’t too hard to figure out who these guys were.
Someone mentioned a company name owned by one of them, from there it was easy to track down. One of the neighbors saw the State
Police at his home on Blackey Cove and was asked if he had been seen. Probably fled that same night.

I have a feeling that Silver Sands, Winter Harbor and Blackey Cove will be getting a lot of curious onlookers this weekend.

fatlazyless 08-16-2023 05:51 AM

.... good cheer to NH boating!
 
In New Hampshire the open container law concerning alcoholic adult beverages in a motor vehicle does not include water vessels or a boat. Boating and drinking an adult beverage is legal. What's not legal is boating with a blood alcohol level higher than "0.08 higher by blood, breath or urine. Or between .03 and .08 along with other evidence."

:cheers:

So it is legal to be driving a motorboat, or paddling a canoe with an alcoholic beverage in one hand and the steering wheel or canoe paddle in the other hand, as long as your blood alcohol level is lower than 0.08, or eight percent.


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