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Without making accusations of things I/we don't know the full details of, it seems like we can all agree that a sale of the business to a new owner would be a positive step, to an owner that appreciated and supported their team of employees going forward. I have a feeling this may happen sooner rather than later due to the bank involvement described above. No reason for it to be a fire sale auction, there is a ton of value in that marina and the bank would cooperate with a new owner. I'd be shocked if behind the scenes discussions were not already happening about this.
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Liability insurance may cover any civil action.
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I’m confused….admittedly, I haven’t been reading following all the details…is the police chief male or female?
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what difference would that make?
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The two sisters are third-party.
The insurance would need to determine their direct involvement with the crimes and the oversight of operation. If simply negligent as silent partners... I suspect they would be covered. |
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I would imagine he stepped down due to the investigation on the sex crimes revealed his infidelity and as stated above, from a morality standpoint not a good look for the Police chief to be stepping out in any circumstance, and then the possible connection to what the other person on top of it. |
Possibly the off chance that a charge of Official Oppression could be registered.
If further investigation revealed that the Chief was doing as the accused stated and setting aside complaints rather than investigating them. None of us will really know for some time as cases take a while to make it through the court system. |
As far as I know, the owner is still in charge of the marina. As a young person, would you want to be working for this terrible excuse for a human being? Would a responsible parent want their kids working there? Would you want to be working there if you were an adult? Grant that an adult may need a steady paycheck but other options have to be available and I would be looking for another job ASAP.
As a customer, I would be worried about reliable service amidst the chaos, as well as moral concerns of supporting such a group of owners. A sale of the marina might resolve these problems but that is not happening right away. |
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Then using his official status to interfere.
It doesn't make a huge amount of sense to resign for something that isn't going to magically go away... nor would it be criminal on his part. What are they going to do... fire him for being bi/homosexual? Not like the Town of Gilford could afford that lawsuit. |
I heard on tv that he couldn't do his job because somebody could threaten to "out" him. Sort of like blackmail I guess so they couldn't be charged with a crime.
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Well, technically... he is outed.
So why leave? |
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Nothing new here
Back in 2014, he discussed being gay and was one of the first gay police chiefs. It's not like he was being "outed" by all this.
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Outed mean homosexual.
If he knew more, and didn't act, he could be criminally charged. That could even put the Town of Gilford in the sights of the lawyers. If the marina's insurance won't cover the suit, and the marina may not be as deep a well as some think, moving toward the ex-Chief and the town would be the next well. |
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The town of Gilford has no liability in this matter. What an employee does on his own time in a different town is not the responsibility of the town. Being named in the investigation as having been somehow involved in this out of town matter may reflect poorly on him but unless his conduct was criminal it will end there. If there was no criminal conduct on his part, and what happens between two consenting adults is not criminal, then it will end there. It remains to be seen if there is more to the story. Attachments of more than $6 million worth of assets are being sought against West Alton Marina and its owners by four plaintiffs who have filed civil suits. The plaintiffs are asking the court to seize a total of $6,750,000 in assets to ensure there will be funds available to pay any any damages that might be awarded as part of the final judgment in their cases. https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...23ec8eb3b.html |
Sorry, but as a part of his office... he must forward the complaint.
So yes, he would have had the power to act and chose not to... if it is determined that he knew of the situation. ''A public servant, as defined in RSA 640:2, II, is guilty of a misdemeanor if, with a purpose to benefit himself or another or to harm another, he knowingly commits an unauthorized act which purports to be an act of his office; or knowingly refrains from performing a duty imposed on him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office.'' The town would have an employee that committed a crime, just like the marina. The town could be held liable for the actions of the employee, just like the marina. The nature of his employment, in this situation, does not allow for ''personal'' time. |
In any case, under NH law everyone is required to report abuse of a minor or elderly person.
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Just a comment: This topic has been explored appropriately and with prudence IMHO. No names have been named and no ugly off-topic comments have been made. I applaud you, fellow forumites. |
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Forward the complaint? There has been nothing revealed so far to determine that the Chief got any complaints. This was in the news: "One of the suits alleges that Murray told the plaintiff that it would be useless for him to go to police because he was having sex with the Gilford police chief and another officer and so was “untouchable.” That sentence doesn't say that the Chief did anything wrong or illegal. He is not responsible for Murray's claims, and may not even be aware of them. It is legal for the Chief to have a relationship with Murray. The town would have an employee that committed a crime? What crime? There has been no evidence thus far that the chief knew of the illegal activities of Murray and his partner, only a claim by Murray that had had a relationship with the chief. The nature of his employment does not allow for personal time? So in a jurisdiction where he has no police powers, when he is not at work, and where you have no facts to show he knew of any crimes, you still think he "refrained from a duty imposed upon him by law?" And, you think the town of Gilford is somehow liable? If, as you claim, he has no personal time, and the town is somehow liable for his actions all the time, and must report crimes, would you say the town of Gilford was somehow responsible if the Chief failed to report a violation of law, say, while vacationing in California? You know, like saw a speeder in a car but didn't report it? |
If you have been reading... we are speculating why the resignation?
It wasn't because he was homosexual. So what was it? If he knew... or even suspected... do to interaction with any of the parties... his duty is to move it to the Alton Chief and the AG. And no, a police chief can not state ''I was off duty when the crime happened''... ''I was off duty when suspicion of a crime was happening''... ''I heard the rumor when I was off duty''. The law does not allow for that. |
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At this point, what is known is the Chief may have had a relationship with Murray. That is all. There has been no public accusation of anything illegal on the part of the Chief. Turning that into liability for the town is, at this time, a stretch. More information will certainly come out as the legal process continues. |
The financial aspects of this matter should be interesting.
The accusers families have asked for an attachment of over $6 million on the marina. Meredith Village Savings Bank has a mortgage of over $5 million on the property. That will total over $11 million in liens, if nothing else comes up. Looking at recent sales and comparing what Channel Marine and Thurston's Marina sold for it is hard to see a property valuation that will be anywhere near that for West Alton Marina. |
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Since it isn't his sexuality... and no one can think of a good reason... I speculated that he may have had some insight into rumors, and failure to pass those to other authorities would be official oppression. So far. No one has come up with any reason that he would resign. People knew he was homosexual. He isn't the first official, even a local police chief to have an adulterous affair... not even news around here... and the only time it has been news is when the official failed their duty. Even a misdemeanor conviction against a police officer is not that unusual... so I am open minded as to what it may be. Personally, I don't think it is any more of a stretch than the silent partner sisters. They didn't commit the claimed acts; we don't even know if they had heard any rumors or had any knowledge of it. What we know is that well is only so deep, and we don't know what property was pledged in support of the bank note. Was it just the marina, or did it include homes and other property? The chief's resignation seems odd with the history that we have around here. |
The existence of the mortgage and the attachment liens, if they are upheld, will certainly impact any voluntary sale. But a foreclosure of the mortgage will extinguish the attachments, with the proviso that any excess foreclosure sale proceeds above the amount owed to the mortgagee will go first to valid junior lienors and then to the owner. This assumes that taxes and other municipal liens are current. Candidate for a Chapter 11 filing?
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Not part of this thread directly, but I am under the impression that WAM planned some major upgrades and/or expansion. If that is the case, and the work has not been done, the bank may still have some of the funds held back and the eventual debt could be much less. Is there work in progress? If I were a contractor, I'd want payment in advance. It would probably sell for more if it went condo.
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West Alton Marina
I think what mcdude had to say last evening was appropriate, but I fear that as this thread moves through time it (the thread) could easily deteriorate into something rather unseemly. Maybe it is time to let this topic rest and move on to topics more about boating, restaurants, and lake life.
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Before we let it rest, may I mention the best selling novel, Peyton Place, written by Grace Metalious (sic) about a small NH town. Does this ring a bell? At the time, it was s shocking tale. Hmmm…
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Speculation: Perhaps the chief resigned because he suspected his relationship with one of the accused would become known and cast him in a bad light, personally and professionally.
Question: did he resign before the story of the sexual abuse broke in the media? If so, perhaps he knew about it and figured "Uh oh, I'm in an impossible position." If he resigned after it broke then he probably read the hand writing on the wall and left to avoid further scandal. Sad, either way: it seems he was a competent policeman; hopefully he'll do OK elsewhere. |
Shocking at the time.
Today it would be rather tepid. Winni83... I think I am more questioning what the final sales value would be? It obviously speculation... but rising interest rates and the shadow of a serious recession... simply make me wonder if there would be enough to even come close to covering the lawsuit; should it come to that. I can't seem to find records on incorporation... but it may be that I am not looking under the correct name. |
John, the name is West Alton Marina, LLC. It is a Delaware LLC registered to do business in NH.
https://quickstart.sos.nh.gov/online...usinessID=4731 |
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That was my thoughts.
But I just can't imagine what. I just can't imagine that the lawyer working for the plaintiffs would not pursue that. It may lead to nothing, but advocating for your client should lead you somewhat in that direction. |
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This statement by Brian Fortier is pretty strange and disingenuous given that he was or is married to John Murray, according to the lawsuit: "Our family is shocked and deeply saddened by the disturbing allegations against former employee John Murray." |
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