Seems to me that for those who object to the town dump, there is an option of hiring your trash removed (and yes to a previous question, haulers that collect at homes and then take their truck to the dump first open all the bags and sort, triple yuk!). The cost of hiring your trash removed is your chosen expense for not desiring to recycle or have your garbage checked. Having said that, I can think of some items I have thrown away in the past (quite "legally") that I would be mortified if a random town employee got to see, so I can see the possibility of a privacy issue.

Looks like the Moultonboro Citizens Alliance is getting a taste of their own medicine.

Come on man!
 

wifi, you ever watch the fox pregame show on MNF?

I have to give you a COME ON MAN!! - you don't climb into a garbage truck, and shame on that knuckle head for asking you to

And to the other guy, you don't need to remove limes from a Corona bottle, you too COME ON MAN!!

Know when these guys are asking for something unreasonable, we are talking about trash right?

I don't follow...??

The Moultonboro Citizens Alliance was formed to get public involvement in Town Government. They want complete transparency and will go to any effort to see that this happens. They watch every move that local government officials make which reminds me of the dump attendants going thru garbage bags.

If you look at the MCA website it looks like someone has a full time job just uploading videos and keeping track of all that is going on in the little town of Moultonboro.

Don’t get me wrong, I want all town officials to be up front with all that goes on, but I sort of feel sorry for the Moultonboro elected officials because there are so many back seat drivers that think that they can run things better.

I don’t live in Moultonboro but I get a kick out of some of the things that the Alliance does to harass the selectmen.

Every town has something that like - people who are always sniffing around....

As someone who works closely with my town's boards and committees, including the school board, I like to see people interested in what's going on, as long as they're respectful of the committees' or boards' time and protocols for running a meeting. :)

Moultonboro also has a blog named: Moultonboro Speaks

When you click on the above blog, it will go to a post where someone wants a local government offical to "step down".

Is there so much wrong with Moultonboro's government that they need that much scrutiny?

Computers?
 

Uh oh,will they be checking the hard drive next on my old computer?I need to restrick my surfing sites!:laugh:

Don't worry, they can already read it in you house.:D

I think all we need do is use transparent trash bags. No need to open them anymore.:rolleye2:

Really not a bad idea to keep an eye on town governments....some times they thumb their noses at the taxpayers.....for example, the Laconia Sun reported last week that when Meredith selectmen asked town employees to forgo their annual cost of living raise because of the bad economy....that angry employees, led by Lt Keith True of the MPD, overwhelmed town meeting with their numbers and VOTED themselves a raise.
MCA may not be such a bad thing.

Not only is it not a bad idea, it is our Right, as American's and as Tax Payers.

First of all not enough people anymore are involved at the basic level of voting once a year. But after that even those that vote far fewer remain involved enough to make sure that the people they elect are doing what it is that they promised, when they campaigned.

As citizens in a community, especially when you own property and pay taxes you have a great many rights that people often over look. You have every right to question your elected officials, they might not like it, but you do have the right. You have the right to sit down and talk to them too.... it doesn't mean they have to make it easy for you.... but you do have the right.

Well, it seems some of those people in those types of groups have a personal ax to grind and most certainly their own agenda. I see it come up from time to time where the most vocal ones use their outcries as fodder for their campaign for a position on a board or committee later. They're generally the LAST people you want responsible for your children's education or the policy making in your town. (What's the old saying about a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing?)

It does concern me that some of these groups go to extremes they do because some of their issues have to come to legal council, which runs up a tab with a lawyer - and they are, in fact, taking someone or something to task that was long-ago taken care of... and at the TAX PAYERS' EXPENSE! It's one thing to watch and speak up from time to time - it's quite another to manipulate a whole meeting with one's personal agenda.

I definitely agree. Many people in Moultonborough follow along like sheep whatever the town officials decide. There is nothing wrong with paying attention to how your elected officials are spending your money and holding them accountable. Remember the planning baord ordinances that were defeated last year? People paid attention. Remember the bills that Betsey Patten tried to pass last year? Didn't happen because people paid attention and voiced their opinions.

I do not know about Moultonborough, but in the town I live in we are going to see an additional $40,000 applied to our dumping fees (at the town level) if the other 75% of the town does not get in the game and start recycling. The first few years the transfer station was backfeeding the town budget and keeping some for themselves that allowed for equipment purchases that we did not have to see an increase to pay for. But it appears things are dieing down on the recycling front, I cannot for the life of me understand why.

I can tell you by pulling every piece of paper, cardboard, tin, plactic and glass out of the trash bag, out family of four only brings two bags of garbage to the transfer station a week and I do the recyclables every other.

Garbage Truck fire
 

I once flagged down a garbage truck that was on fire and the driver wasn't aware. Later I believe the cause was aerosol cans that were compressed and exploded when he was compacting. Not sure if that was true but seems like a pretty good reason to inspect.

Not a good idea, IMO. Milton makes you buy see-thru bags from the town. They're like a buck a piece. So if you use an average of 4 bags a year, that's an additional annual expense of $200.

Nifty way to heap on a new tax, I suppose.

It's simple supply and demand. More people are now recycling than the amount of consumption of recycled products. There are warehouses full of recycle materials waiting for the price to go back up. A practice that should insure that the price will never be able to go back up. Apparently the recycling world operates as a very efficient market. Don't tell Washington, they might fix it.

Stockpiling trash is the same as OPEC stockpiling oil. In the end only OPEC and Al Gore make money.

While not specifically about the Moultonborough transfer station, this can maybe apply to all New Hampshire transfer stations.

"Pay Per Throw or Pay Per Bag programs........The writing is on the wall. We must do something." Justin Leavitt, Transfer Facility Manager, Gilmanton, NH

www.laconiadailysun.com, December 18, page 5: A public message-editorial style display advertisement from Gilmanton that is very informative in telling you all about the costs of running a New Hampshire transfer station.
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Hey, here's a question for you......so how come New Hampshire is probably the one and only state for one thousand miles that does not require a 5-cent deposit on aluminum beverage cans? Answer: Granite Staters should be recycling because they want to do it, and not just because they would get their nickel back! :rolleye1:

Check out the list of prices......aluminum cans.....$1040./per ton...is far and away the highest price amoung the various recycled materials.

Yup, works in my town. We pay $1.50 per bag we take to the transfer station. The town gave us blue and green buckets for recycle and picks up the recycle each week for free, just put it at the curb. The only thing they check at the transfer station is if each bag has the prepaid sticker of the proper color for the year. $1.50 per bag is the incentive to recycle.

Small towns shouldn't be in the business of sorting waste and then paying someone else to take it away.
The Gilmanton Transfer Facility Manager states that he needs to do something to turn his facility into a profit center. At one time the Transfer Stations were supported by our property taxes. Now they want to make us pay more and more for taking our trash.
This has got to stop or these transfer stations are going to nickel and dime us to death and there won't be a thing we can do about it.

Revolt I say, Revolt!!!!!

Hey "Swamper"...
 

How big are the bags? Will they hold a couple kitchen size trash bags?

34 gallon bag, I think I also saw somewhere a 35 pound limit but I can't find it on the local town website. I can cram about 4 or so kitchen size bags in it ... if I push hard ;) ... or what fills one outside plastic garbage can.

Slight error, only $1.40 per bag, buy a sheet of 5 stickers for $7. Anything that doesn't fit in a bag is 7 cents per pound, $7.00 minimum.

News flash, my friend: there's revenue to be had in them there trash heaps. I'm talkin' 'bout glass, aluminum, roofing materials, and you-name-it. Seriously. And those recyclables that bring in money keep your taxes lower in the long run....

Okay, People...
 

It is High time to get ready for the Christmas Season, please put this thread in the bag until after the Holidays, "Thank you all very much"...

After all, and after, our refuse can be of use! "AFTER"!

God knows all about, and brighter days are on the way... "Keep the faith!"

You are right AW and Wolfeboro is a good example.
Wolfeboro residents recycled 18.93 tons of material more in 2008 than they did in 2007. Sales of recyclable materials also set a record at $128,983. Hauling and tipping fees average $98 a ton, so in addition to making $128,983 on sales, the town also avoided $190,964 in disposal costs for the 1,948.61 tons of material recycled. In other words, the recycling program gave Wolfeboro a total economic benefit of $314,947 in 2008. The recycling rate – the percentage of the weight of materials recycled to the total weight of materials collected in 2008 – was 60.5 percent. This was up from 58 percent in 2007. Wolfeboro’s recycling percentage is higher than the one listed by the Department of Environmental Services (DES) because DES does not include shingles in its list of recyclables. Last year Wolfeboro recycled more than 400 tons of old shingles. The shingles are ground up and mixed with gravel to make a material called aggraphalt, which is used in road construction projects.
In 2007 the Northeast Resource Recovery Association gave Wolfeboro a first place award for the most tonnage recycled in for a town with a population from 5,000 to 10,000. Wolfeboro’s 2007 results were within 100 tons of the large population winner, Merrimack, which has a population of 26,613 vs. Wolfeboro’s 6,625.
I don’t know how 2009 will turn out but 2008 sure was a good year for Wolfeboro.
The Solid Waste & Recycling Facility in Wolfeboro is run by a gentleman by the name of Adam Tasker. Maybe other towns should contact him to see how he does it.

Merry Christmas trfour and everybody!!!!!!!

I have no problem recycling and believe it is a good thing. The problem at the Moultonborough transfer station is they charge you for anything that can not be recycled. It is not cheap. Any thing that can not be recycled or is not household trash costs a minimum of $10. I threw away 2 old TV's at a cost of $18 each.

I had an old tie rod off a car it couldn't go in the household trash and the attendant said it need to go into the demolition bin for $10 but was nice enough to not charge me this time. I heard now they are charging to take any scrap metal which they make money off.

I have a pile in my yard of scrap wood metal and misc old parts that I can't afford to get rid off so it just sits and collects bugs and rots.

Residents should be allowed to dump this stuff in small quantities for free. We use to be able to but not with the new guy in charge.

I have seen people pull right out of the transfer station before and down the road and dump stuff in the woods that the transfer station would not take.

They should have one week a year where anything can be dumped for free. Where I lived before Moultonborough use to have one weekend a year you could pile anything out beside the road and they would pick it up and haul it away for no charge.

Bulk pick up
 

In New Haven, we used to have bulk pick up every summer....each neighborhood in the city would be assigned a different week. It was a real happening, with scavengers picking through others disgarded "treasures". The city then went to bulk-pick-up by appointment only, but they take everything, including appliances (not hazardous waste, of course; we have a recycling station for that which is open from May through October). On our street, when one person has a bulk-pick-up the word spreads quickly and everyone hauls out their stuff.

So, they're getting you twice.

If that's what the good folks of the Ocean State like, fine. Not here, please. Making the top 10 isn't a goal of many of us. #46 is just fine for me.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/10/pf/t...ates/index.htm

We've got the same situation here in Raymond.

1.50/bag. We may put one one bag a month. $12/year.

We have curbside recycling as well and we also compost.

I'm constantly amazed when I drive by houses that have 2-3 of the green bags out EVERY week.

Not sure I understand what you mean by twice.

I agree, don't really like being in the "top 10".:mad:

Trash Talk Never Could Invite...
 

The true feelings of Christmas... I love this website, however, where is the site Police, to put this thread in, (lets say, a more appropriate place)??

I can understand everyone's disappointments, but at the same time, we will all come out of this, (On The Other Side)!! I HOPE!

Bag this thread, and save it for the HOT weather, (When it realy stinks!)

I don't think it's wise to charge for appliances and small amounts of demolition.....anyone on tough times is going to dump in the woods......or even worse, in the lake. I found a dishwasher dumped on our road last summer and took it to the Meredith transfer station.....I explained the situation but the attendant still charged me. Every spring we take my tractor out to collect bottles and cans beside the road........In case anyone wants to know, Bud lite and Mikes Hard lemonade are the favorites of ice fishermen. We usually get 3-4 bags in 2/3 mile of road.

I hear you about the Ice Fisherman Sam....... Appearently two or three years ago my camp was a nice vantage point from which to over see their tip ups.... When I arrived after the melt, I found a few cases of empties on my deck.....

Now I will say this beside the empties I found there was no other evidence that they had been there.... so although they left some bottles laying around..... they were not abussive in anyway......

Assuming that your transfer station/dump isn't run by volunteers, that department is being funded through your local property tax. The rubbish bag scam is akin to a 'surcharge' - a term the folks in Concord (and I'd assume Providence and Boston, too) like to use when they're trying to bilk us for more without using the dreaded 't' word.

I guess I'm lucky. Here in the Manchester area I have at least 3 scrap metal guys that compete to see who can get anything metal from my dumpster. I find them in there once a week. I now put all metall items aside for them. We have a truck called metal heads that rides around the neighborhoods looking for metal. I call them and they come take away washers, dryers, and the like for free.

Ok, gotcha ... understand. They "claim" it offsets the money they would raise from taxes. Also tha transfer station is now only open 3 day a week ... to further reduce the ever increasing taxes. :mad:

Hey, that's swell. I bet that you've seen your local tax rate decrease to reflect the offsets generated through rubbish bag sales. :)