Today’s mentality is that Business Profits Tax and Business Enterprise Tax are only paid by “EEEVIL” corporations, so that makes it ok. They don’t consider it an income tax, because it’s just from businesses (those big businesses that live by “Corporate GREED”!!!). Of course the exact opposite it true. Where else can a business lose money, but still have to pay taxes on their top line?

As long as people demand more out of their communities and state taxes will be raised and new ones found.

I can imagine! I would hate to be an accountant and try to explain to people who have no idea.

Seaplane Pilot, you are right, they try to program people (and have done a good job) to hate businesses. And of course they couldn't let the doctors, and lawyers and accountants etc. get away without an "income tax". It's fine if the other guy pays. I guess we pick and choose who pays. I just don't know where people would work if there weren't businesses though. Do you???

Swnoel, you are right. People demand more and more. Everybody has their favorite little pet project. It all adds up to a lot.

The mentality today is that business is evil, government is good. Government will pay for everything, so we don’t need private enterprise for anything (Right AOC??)

No, the mentality today is that corporations making billions off resources provided by the public should contribute to the system that allowed them to make billions. Amazon not paying taxes/getting tax refunds is a travesty.

The difficult line--at least to me--is between big business, which is continuing to blow apart the income gap and have too much political influence, and small business, which can/is being destroyed by the system.

(For the record, my major concern here--as a teacher--is wealth inequality which, if the system continues, will mean only the affluent having access to opportunities for improvement/education, etc.)

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Yes and government picks the money to give away for everything off the trees!! WHERE in the heck do people think the money for all these things comes from?????

I do agree though that companies like Amazon should be paying taxes. How come they get all kinds of breaks and we don't? But according to what I pay I don't think I suck off the resources provided by the public. I think I pay MORE than my fair share!!

A business that loses money, unless it is a start up, usually loses money because of bad management or because management is playing a tax dodge game. Neither the Profits or the Enterprise tax comes off the “top line.”


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Isn’t that the New Hampshire way? “I don’t want to pay, let the out of staters pay”



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Maybe in your world...

Wow that is a gross generalization and completely inaccurate


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I rest my case. No further questions your honor.

That is the most absurd statement ever. This country has the most opportunities of any other nation on the face of this planet, the problem is lazy ass kids that won't do anything difficult or actually work for something. If teachers would stop indoctrinating their students with liberal philosophy and victimhood those up and coming generations would actually have a chance to be every bit as good as the previous ones.

Yup--all the kids are lazy. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's been an exponential rise in the need for education--high school diplomas are no longer the minimum requirement to succeed in America--at the same time as tuitions have risen and salaries remained the same (with inflation, mostly dropped).

These are real problems on their way, but at least we can rely on people like you to name call rather than discuss. Bravo!

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This is very inaccurate. This is a misnomer many try to pro-port. College educations are not necessary to make a good living.

High school diplomas are good for many high paying jobs, many union jobs such as truck driving, plumbers electricians and other trade jobs. These jobs have pay rates closer to 80-100 per hour with excellent benefits. There is a severe shortage of these trade skill labor type worker.

However they do require hard physical labor that this generation does not seem to embrace.

In reality these jobs have higher pay and better benefits than those with liberal arts degrees that cost over 100,000.00



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I didn't say only college--even trade schools are becoming prohibitively expensive, as my nephew, who is an incredibly hard worker, has figured out. Even though he's willing to work for the dealership he's at, and even though they're willing to send him for some training, it's gonna take a long time to get the education he needs to make decent money.

My other nephew is currently pursuing an electrician's license, which also requires a lot of education and apprenticeship time, and is in a similar boat.

My father, with an 8th grade education, ran machines for 40 years. In his last ten, they wouldn't hire anyone without some credentials, most with college degrees.

There's a reason so many young people are living at home with their parents until much later, and it has nothing to do with laziness or choice. The cost of living--rent, food, etc.--has outgrown the access to well-paying jobs.

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Sorry Joey
I am a resident of NH.
I have not seen any independent study showing that only 6% paid more.
We know the billionaires paid considerably less. Most I hear is that refunds are less than 2017.
I pay more if fed tax than the average income in most red states.

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Nothing to do with red or blue but about high state income and high property tax. I never said only 6% paid more


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Sorry you did say high school in your post. Also again many return to live with their parents from college because they chosen to waste money and obtain a useless liberal arts diploma instead of focusing on a career track.


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There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about.

I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well..............

It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control.

Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.

It's all about choices.

That's my point, Tilton--the world you (and, for the most part, I) grew up in no longer exists. My students are only making a couple bucks more an hour than I was two decades ago, but the expenses--insurance, car maintenance, rent, etc.--have gone up way more than that.

But you're right--the cost of education also has to be examined. It's a two-sided problem, but neither will be fixed without honest discussion.

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Joey, the statement about 6% was not your post but someone else.
Actually my fed tax is around double that income in most red states. Those are the states with most people earning what I call little income. Not that it is necessarily their own fault.

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Income Gap...
 

1) It's all about choices...was the title of a monthly newsletter I wrote for a club (regarding automobile safety). :)

2) Someone with tattoos has little room to complain about an income-gap. :rolleye2:

3) Jerry Seinfeld discovers the value of visual arts while teaching High School:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdf_XdDwc-o

Really? Careful - you have no idea who you are saying that to. Guess if that were true I'd be some poor guy who would not amount to nothing other than a minimum wage job. Good thing I never listened to people like you. I'll even pile on just for fun, not only do I have nothing other than a high school education, yet have a professional job, but I managed to raise a family on a SINGLE income. The biggest misconception is you have to do XY and Z to be successful. No - you just have to be better than everyone else. What did I do that is so different, never believed anyone say I can't accomplish what I did, in fact I just used that as motivation to prove them all wrong.

You're amazing. The problem is, your totally awesome, super duper, made-it-to-the-top-against-all-odds story doesn't apply to the majority--then or now. And I guarantee that, like most other people blinded by attribution bias, we'd find a set of unique circumstances to explain your success, just as my Dad's 40 years ago and mine 20--in worlds much, much different than today's.

Winter is coming...

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To get back on topic, one of the things that is central to making MA and NH the best states to live is education--MA is always in the top couple and NH usually top 5.

I often hear, however, that NH's population is aging and that young (educated) people move elsewhere for work. Is that a function of pay? I know Crucon moved to CH, but why don't high-tech companies move to NH? Is it access to workforce, utility costs?

And how do people see the future of the Lakes Region?

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Spot on MAXUM in my opinion.

Interesting reading...
 

Interesting reading here. My question is, if we have a generation that is lazy, entitled, and seeking out wasteful education, who is responsible for creating the environment that allowed this to happen? Is it the children themselves, or is it all of us of an older generation that either created the situation through our direct actions or contributed to it by not playing an active role in preventing it? Just as our parents created the environment we grew up in, we created the environment for the next generation. I realize this might not be the place for such questions...

The bottom line to me, as one who splits time between Massachusetts and New Hampshire, is both states are great. I love the opportunities, people, and environments in both - and have no desire to move anywhere else!

Hate to break it to you but I'm not that old.... this can and does happen every day TODAY, not 20, 40 or 100 years ago.

"attribution bias"? What a bunch of nonsensical psycho-babble.

Furthermore I just roll my eyes at your entire response, know how many times I have heard that? Sorry can't help but shake my head at how outrageous, smug, repugnant and demeaning that entire statement is. In fact I would say you are guilty of manipulative Minimisation.

There is nothing super duper, amazing or totally awesome that I did. Anyone can do it, it is easy no and that's why you don't hear it often. If I had a degree would the path have been easier, sure, but then again, it's also no guarantee of success either which is a false narrative that is pushed constantly. Interestingly all to the benefit of higher education Colleges and Universities that are bastions of liberalism and interestingly flush with cash, and have the appearance of a sprawling luxury estate.

There was no "unique" set of circumstances that got me where I am today other than me and very careful decision making on my part, every decision is made with a end goal and purpose in mind. Did every decision that I made pan out, of course not, but I certainly didn't run into my "safe space" and cry room, hug a stuffed gumby and have a temper tantrum. No I looked, learned, and carried on.

Want to be successful? DUH! Hang around people that are successful. Learn from them, ask questions, figure out how they did it and duplicate it. One lesson I learned along the way is if you do what everyone else does you end up like everyone else. Want to be different, then take a different path, take calculated risks, be bold, make it happen, if you think success just "finds" you or somehow you are lucky that's total BS. Success comes to those who try and take on risk. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again. Rarely does anyone win playing defense. Words of wisdom from a friend of mine who is both an entrepreneur and a multi millionaire. Should I add that he too has zero college credits to his name. Now that is awesome! Of course to you that's evil but we all have our differences in opinions.

Want to be like everyone else, DUH! Go to your nearest college campus and be a self identified victim. Good luck with that as a career choice.

Attribution bias is psycho-babble? Your response is almost 100% self-credit, completely disregarding your opportunities and the fact that the times, requirements, and finances have changed dramatically. By your rationale, getting out of poverty is just a matter of making good choices. Though there are numerous studies showing that's ridiculous, they're probably all liberal nonsense, right?

I'm not going to continue OT anymore but--and I'm serious about this--if you, or anyone else following, is interested in connecting for a legitimate discussion on these topics, I'd be up for a soda when next I'm up. Until then, enjoy MA and NH--two of the best states to live.

No it's not, it's a rebuke of your generalization and as such, I simply say I am not coming from a theoretical position, instead I lived it. Quite poignant don't you think? Guess not it's rather to much self-credit? So yes I'm so sorry, I should be instead ashamed of myself. Gotcha!

Would love to chat some time, believe it or not I am quite capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation even with my "limited" education.

I moved to NH at 22 after getting out of school and was culture shocked. Hardly had any friends who were sub 40 years old. When I worked in Laconia I found it very difficult to fill skilled positions with the talent pool in the area. Mainly not even due to education or lack of aka no college degrees etc but more so the general caliber of people who were applying ie not showing up to interviews, people constantly late or even how getting people to pass a preemployment drug screen was near impossible.

Now that I've moved companies and now work in Nashua it is MUCH easier to fill skilled positions from a larger talent pool from both NH and northern MA.

If I was a company I would be targeting more towards southern NH than anywhere near the Lakes Region.

It gets really tiresome that some of you still call those of us from Massachusetts by that name. I love, love, love NH and pay tons of taxes there without getting a say on anything that goes on there. You might remember that before trashing your friends to the south.


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I will respectfully disagree with you about changing times. The studies you cite are probably written by academics who have not spent a lot of time working in the real world.

I have a similar background to Maxum and started with nothing. Right after high school I remember walking because there was no gas in my car and I needed to go somewhere. I worked in gas stations and decided I wanted more out of life.

I sold my first car to have enough money to go to tractor trailer school and get a better paying job. I drove over a million miles in Class A trucks, worked all the overtime that was available, and invested any extra money I had in real estate. Then I moved on and had success in other areas.

Without going into more detail I will only tell you that I am now very comfortable, own more than one waterfront property on Winnipesaukee, and have a Florida home for the winter. No one ever gave me 5 cents.

Anyone can do exactly what I (or Maxum) have done. The opportunities are the same and some are even better, It is the positive attitude and the knowledge that you are responsible for your own success that will drive many people to get ahead. Others will wait for success to show up at their door, and be surprised when it doesn't.

Then, when someone does become one of the 1%, those who do not have the drive to succeed will try to tax you into sharing the rewards of your success with them.

TiltonBB - GREAT story and I love it. This is what the true "American Dream" is! This is the kind of thing that all kids need to be taught and aspire to. What's even better you found success as a truck driver which many would scoff at as a substandard career. For me, I tip my hat to you sir for getting it done. Hell of an accomplishment. Even better that you are proof you don't need a white collar job either.

I'm sure it was all just pure luck on your part right? ;)

Oh and just one more thing, I hope you fully enjoy the spoils of all your hard work! You earned it.

All you need to do is look at the college admission scandal to realize what's going on in todays society with these families. People with means pay for everything for their kids today. They really don't have to work for anything anymore and they grow up thinking that this is the way life is for the rest of their lives.
For some that is the way the rest of their life will be, living off mom and dads money. For others, when they are forced to earn there own keep, they are completely lost because they haven't learned the survivor skills needed to succeed in this world.
No matter where they come from, at some point they become adults and they need to sink or swim on their own and many do sink.
My favorite saying from custom car builder Chip Foose, "in my day kids dreamed about building things, today they dream about buying things", is the reality of today.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when 80% of the people in the US are on some kind of drug, whether prescribed or self medicated. When the lines at the cannabis stores are longer than the lines at any other store I think we are headed in the wrong direction.

Amen! Well said, and reminded me of this quote.

https://i.imgur.com/8DaVB5U.jpg

This thread is frankly disturbing to read as someone in their 30s. If I were to show half as much contempt towards the older generation for ratcheting up the skyrocketing debt and destroying the environment or whatever else thing about the world we inherited, y'all would lambast me for being disrespectful to others.

I also have high suspicions on which of you don't actually know many (or any) people of the generation you lambast, and would share my own stories but suspect you will be reading it to cherry pick what fits your preconceptions, and I have better things to do. But as someone who recently joined this forum, I'm not sure I feel all that welcome now.

Don't give up on us old farts. We are from a generation that has to see physical change first hand in real life. We don't believe or trust what we can't see or touch.
It's unfortunate that the only news that captures headlines is bad news.
I have kids in their 30's and I'm thankful that they are all mature hard working adults but I still work harder than all of them at 65. :D
You are right about one thing, we have to take ownership of the problems of today, They are because of us and not you! Your generation has a lot of work to do to clean up our mess. I hope you're up to the task.
I'm afraid you will be saying the same thing about the younger generation when you get to be our age as our parents said those same things about us. It's a right of passage.

I'm with you
 

As a parent of 5 children ranging in age from 23-33 I'm with 100%. Saying that the younger generation is less hard working than our generation is just plain ignorant. My kids work their ASSES off. Much harder than I had to work and I have enjoyed some success. I've read this stupid comment before and frankly whoever writes it is just plain embarrassing yourselves. Perhaps your own hapless kids are indolent but I'll thank you to not paint an entire generation that way.

Ignorant labeling of someone who you do not share the same opinion with is truly ignorant.