The complaints have already started. See post #53 above. The dive's current mooring location has blocked their view and creates a safety issue according to them.

Hopefully as you said East Coast and the neighbors can come up with so type of arrangement, that is assuming the current location is legal.

Thanks I guess I missed that post....
Definitely blocks the view there is no doubt about that. As far as posing a safety issue well that I would have to be convinced of...

More importantly however it doesn't sound like Winnipesaukee Peir (ECFC) or the DIVE, tried to do a little neighborly conversing before making such a decision. However once again if they have done things correctly, and obtained permits, there maybe very little that the home owners can do. Unless they weren't notified, and there is a stipulation in a permit application that states they needed to be.

It's interesting how generally positive the Dive conversation is on IBOW and how generally negative it is here.
I expect all the docks in the area were established well before the current regulations came into being, so, "grandfathered". Yes, if you do something that creates a (new) hazard to navigation you may have to undo whatever.

I find IBOW to have a very different demographic that winnipesaukee.com. IBOW tends to be a younger crowd that is more into water sports and the bar scene. This site tends to have more established and long time lake residents. Just my observation I have never completed a survey

..... boat'n n beer!
 

.....think I'll head down to The Dive and get myself a cold, dark Guinness ...... how much for a Guinness at The Dive? ...... probably if I identify myself they will give it to me for free ...... one beer and I'm too gone to be driving the car .... honestly ... so, is best to be boat'n there ...... boat'n n beer ..... go together like ...... (finish this line here) .......

What is interesting is that just a year ago, when the dive first made an appearance on the lake, people were up in arms because she was parking at the sand bar. Fast forward to today, people are up in arms because she is parked in the Weirs.

I wonder how many are the same people that are just going to complain no matter what?

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Free publicity though....

Here are some photos of my new view. I know everyone has their opinions but please imagine if this was your home you live in and how you would feel losing any portion of your view you have always had.
I was never notified as an abutter of this and although they say they leave all day to go to the sand bar...they have not moved in a week. I can't imagine them leaving 7 days a week even on windy, chilly days this Summer. My poor neighbors behind me now only see the dive when they look out their back porches.

***Hoping the owners consider all us neighbors and do the right thing***

I like the Dive but that is not right


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..... impinge, clutter and encroach!
 

....impinge, clutter and encroach are words that come to mind looking at the new view, out front your house, down the bottom of Simpson Ave, there....


..... so, boat'n n beer .... go together like "impinge, clutter and encroach" ..... well, it certainly does now with The Dive permanently parked there as your new, invasive neighbor.....

..... it's the new neighbor from Hell ...... hellooooooooo ...... "we are The Dive ..... and we be your new neighbor ..... helloooooo!" .....:rolleye2:

That seems no different than someone living on a hillside who had a good view until the owner of the lot in front of him decided to build a multi-level home which obstructs their view.

Sure, you don't like it: but what can you actually DO about it?

Legally, I mean.

That is incorrect. The property line continues into the lake for the purpose of docking. In other words, if your property line hits the lake at an angle (not perpendicular) that line continues at the same angle for purpose of docking.

Well there is the view and the music thumping until 11PM every night (but then it was probably worse in the hayday of Winni Gardens.

I can't believe that it's legal to dock nose in like that. The Dive can't possibly be stable like that. Are the spuds down?

What is the docking like on a stiff NW wind (like yesterday)? It looks tricky to come in past the tail of the dive down wind and get onto your dock.

I'm all for free enterprise but this all doesn't smell right to me.

I suspect the Dive will remain docked most of the time. I don't think they ventured more than 1/4 mile from home base more than twice last year and they had no captive crowd on their home dock.

I agree, I would not like to look at it either. That boat is like an orphan, nobody wants it in their back yard.

Nor would I want to hear it--it's essentially a nightclub moving next door.

That being said, has anyone actually asked the plan? I would think waiting too long will create a precedent.

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I just posed the question on their Facebook page to see if they have some type of schedule this season for visiting sand bars.

Also from their Facebook page they are selling tickets to board this weekend. The tickets are good for the day and you can board and disembark as you wish so obviously they are staying put this weekend.

Additionally looks like when the Weirs have their fireworks shows you will be able to board.

All this is making me lean towards they are not venturing out this season but I will report back when I have an answer


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Maybe a name change would help
 

Maybe change name from "The Dive" to "NIMBY" or "NIMFY" (back yard or front yard).

Dave

PS, I wouldn't want to be looking at it or listening to the noise either.

Unfortunately given the history of the pier the noise is probably not violating any city ordinance.
I’m all for this business succeeding but not at the expense of being a nuisance to its neighbors


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Joey...

I asked that question when I was on the Dive Saturday night..... they do plan to be going to Braun Bay several times this summer. Will it be every weekend? That I do not know.

Woodsy

I have a hard time believing that the Dive or Flightcraft just made this move without checking with the town first...Does anyone here actually believe they made this move without checking if it was legal and within their rights before doing it??

As far as noise goes...Each town has an ordinance that must be complied with. If they are not complying you have gripe...if they are, tough luck! However, if you wanted serenity you don't buy a home at the Weirs 100' from the busiest pier on the lake!

Dan

There was a court case based in Moultonborough a few years ago where a property owner took his neighbor to court for parking a commercial barge at his property. Can’t recall the exact details; for instance whether view blocking came into play or not, but the court sided with the barge owner in the end. Other than violating any noise ordinances that may be in place, I think the Dive is probably not going to move voluntarily. Might not be “neighborly”, but I don’t think they are breaking any rules, laws or ordinances. On the other hand, I too wouldn’t want to have to look at it or listen to it.

Dive
 

I don't think there would be any schedule. I think they want to make the decision to go to a sand bar as last minute as possible due to weather, wind, chop etc. I would think they definitely will stay put until there are enough boaters/people and the water is warm enough to get in the water and walk at a sand bar. My guess is earliest would be mid to late June but maybe later.

Dive
 

I would hope so but then again they did not check with the town of Alton last fall and look how that turned out.

Really asking to see if they are going to venture out this season or are staying at the pier


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I agree with you. I wouldn't like it. No recourse as you were not notified as an abutter? Unfortunately, I do not see it moving anytime soon because they need warm water and more people going to sand bars to be worth moving to a sand bar.

.... the big fish in the lake?
 

Could be the Mount Washington has had conversations with the Marine Patrol and Laconia Zoning and would be happy for The Dive to stay way away from them, around behind the Winnipesaukee Pier, and basically out of sight.

Could be why the Marine Patrol and Laconia Zoning is slow to make any moves, after all, the Mount Washington is the big fish in the lake.

They have said on their FB page when asked this question that they will be going to sand bars, quote "they love their sandbar crowd"

Thanks Taz. I didn’t see your question and their response on their page. Hopefully good news for the neighborhood that it will be occasionally leaving.


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It wasn't my question but I did see others asking and saw their quote to one of them. Still not sure I buy it though. Now they are further away from Braun Bay and Smalls Cove than last year. Going to Margate would also be a chore because it seems they would have to leave early morning and return after dark when the channel is not busy like work barges would. Then if they do go to Margate say on a Saturday they would lose out on pier business if they have to return later in the evening. Will have to see how it unfolds.

Moved??
 

The Dive is not visible on Weirs cam right now. Traveling or moved??

They're at the gas dock pumping out:

They are actually much closer to Braun Bay and can access other gathering spots like Timber Island and Patrician Shores


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The Pier is a commercial entity that has always had boats docked there. While I do sympathize with the property owners, they did buy next to a commercial enterprise and have to expect issues like this to arise.

Because the Dive is registered & licensed vessel, (that can and will leave & return) I seriously doubt the Pier is violating ANY town ordinances by having it docked at the end.

Woodsy

Dive
 

Maybe closer to Braun, maybe wrong about that but its still probably a 2 hour ride given how slow it is. I don't see anyway they go to Timber. Its not a sand bar so you can not walk to it and they can not use spuds there, also not enough customers there. There would be much more business at Smalls and Braun. I think Patrician would be tough. Its not nearly as big as Smalls, Braun and if they don't get there early all the boats will box them out to get to shallow water to use spuds and walk to it. I would be very surprised if they go to Patrician.

I agree with your earlier comment. I think they may stay at the pier a lot more than people think or they say. Many customers and not the headaches of driving long distances and then running out of supplies so far away. They said them selves that was a challenge for them.

Laconia has a noise ordinance and it does not have particular time frames, neither does Gilford. i know this from my battle with China Bistro that hopefully ended a few years back. If you make a complaint they will come out when you call them for the complaint. They will also go and request noises be taken care of and could actually write them a ticket for it.

That is the short of it, other than going to town meetings after documented complaints and the town steps in.

Taz - I respectfully disagree with only one of your comments ….. I see Patrician as an ideal location (somewhat closer than Braun) that area has vast sandbar area for the Spuds & draws a good sized crowd. Yes, it drops off quickly but again plenty of shoreline to find a spot provided they arrive before 10:00a.

The other unmentioned spot -- and it is where I think they will go often is to the Margate ……….. provided that they can fit under the bridge. Again, they would have to transport early so as to avoid the channel congestion.

All in all -- I like the idea of the Dive on the Lake -- I also can sympathize with the abutters view & their concerns -- yet, the Dive adds new character to the Lake, certainly is a talking piece when taking visitors on a ride, presents a unique place to take visitors periodically ….. but I have to admit (yes I have been aboard a few times) not a place you would hang out at every weekend....unfortunately- seems everyone here has been trying to "sink" it from the onset.

Well said Phantom. I agree with you completely on all accounts

Dive
 

Everything of course is all speculation. Who knows how it will unfold. At Patrician, you get mostly 1 line up of boats and then a few smaller ones get in behind that 1 line. I'm sure if you count up the boats there compared to Smalls, Braun and the Margate there is much more potential business at those locations than Patrician.

Margate is not unmentioned. I referred to it in an earlier post today and it has been mentioned in other Dive threads previously. I think the Margate is the best spot for the Dive especially now that they are docked at Weirs. Its large, a lot of boats and minimal impact to shore front properties. The challenge will be navigating the channel. Work barges I am told go early morning and late in the day. It would be very difficult for 2 way traffic when the Dive is in the channel.

That’s exactly what the Dive did last year. They were at the West Alton sand bar by 8 am and stayed till around 10 when the crowd died down.


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AC2717...

Weirs Beach does have a separate noise ordinance than the city does.... no amplified music outside after 10:30pm, with the exception being Bike Week.

I don't think noisy patrons at the restaurant at the end of the Pier will qualify as a noise complaint in a zone that is designated commercial resort.

You were totally within your rights to argue with China Bistro... you could hear that thumping bass 1/2 way across the lake!

Woodsy

Ibow?
 

What's this IBOW you speak of? Am I missing out on another great forum?