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ApS 04-14-2007 07:35 AM

SOME rare critters still around, though...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ITD
"...I'm pretty sure APS was invoking his own brand of SARCASM..."

Yup—just joking around and a tangential thank-you to Webmaster Don for such "scary discussions" to even take place at this idyllic lake's website. I made certain to include the highlighted mountain lion reference because I got scolded for starting a mountain lion thread a few years ago. :rolleye2: :)

BTW: A pair of Hooded Mergansers paddled by yesterday afternoon. They are a rare visitor and a very shy bird. It looked like the female had just caught a small crayfish! (The crayfish I can't ever find here). :emb: After spending long hours trying to photograph them in the past, I'll just include a file photo of the male here.

They are extremely fast flyers and the smallest of America's mergansers. They are remarkable in having yellow eyes, transparent membrane "goggles" over their eyes (engaged when viewing underwater thingys), and a bill lined with "teeth".

I've never seen them after our large patches of Winnipesaukee ice go away. (Or before the ice arrives).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ich_050501.jpg

Or below, for some smaller copyrighted shots...

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...ganserMale.JPG

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...anser3-450.jpg

RattlesnakeHunter 04-14-2007 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITD
Now there's a nice post that should encourage anyone who sees a rattlesnake to run to their computer and try to look you up. :rolleye2:

I'm pretty sure APS was invoking his own brand of SARCASM. I find your post on the otherhand disturbing.

I find your post boring......

Political correctness is your hobby?

SANTA

mg2107 04-14-2007 05:29 PM

It should be disturbing because it's not too far from reality !

Skip 04-14-2007 05:30 PM

From the cook's corner....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter
I find your post boring......

Political correctness is your hobby?

SANTA

Curious,

Is it true that rattler tastes like chicken....if prepared correctly? :confused:

SteveA 04-14-2007 05:59 PM

Humm.... Santa or Satan
 
Congratulations! Rattlesnake, santa, satan... or whatever

You are the first to make my ignore list!

Way to Go!

ITD 04-14-2007 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter
I find your post boring......

Political correctness is your hobby?

SANTA

Actually no, but I'm willing to bet it's yours, except when you run up against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, then you get nasty.

Anyway, I will leave you with these boring words of wisdom;

"A man who believes in nothing will fall for anything."

- Malcolm X

RattlesnakeHunter 04-15-2007 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip
Curious,

Is it true that rattler tastes like chicken....if prepared correctly? :confused:

I bet it does but it has lots of bones.....

Did your Mommy help you with that one?

Timmy

RattlesnakeHunter 04-15-2007 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITD
Actually no, but I'm willing to bet it's yours, except when you run up against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, then you get nasty.

Anyway, I will leave you with these boring words of wisdom;

"A man who believes in nothing will fall for anything."

- Malcolm X

You think political correctness is my hobby? Woa...... Not even close JACK!

I love closed minded ignorance..... Those people are the BEST! They don't like to really think about things, they take without thought and somehow feel that they deserve everything. I think just a bit different. Defend your ignorance and I will defend MINE!

Your quote falls short of this situation by a few hundred miles, do you actually remember what you are typing about when you reach the end?

Sylvester Tinklebaum

Skip 04-15-2007 08:43 AM

Even chickens have bones....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter
I bet it does but it has lots of bones.....

Did your Mommy help you with that one?

Timmy

Nope, Mom had no input whatsoever.

What tickled my curiosity is the variety of movies (particularly westerns) and shows I've seen where eating snake has been on the diet.

More particularly was a recent episode of Man vs. Wild where Bear almost ate an endangered rattler while traversing the Moab desert.

Too bad he didn't, perhaps my question would have been answered more appropriately! ;)

RattlesnakeHunter 04-15-2007 07:39 PM

If it makes you happy...
 
the (Known)NH population of Endangered Timbers is probably no more than 30 or so animals. They suffer from most everything we do.... it would be kind of nice if we would just let a few live!


There will be a day when a child will open a book and share the same fascination for animals recently extinct that present day children have for dinosaurs! Pretty sad what took eons to become extinct in history takes only a short time to occur when man shares the same space.

In our lifetimes we are going to see the passing of MANY species and what future is that?

Roadkill

Weirs guy 04-15-2007 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip
Curious,

Is it true that rattler tastes like chicken....if prepared correctly? :confused:

:laugh: :laugh: Oh, my, Farve. I'll tell you Skip, I would not have expected that level of 3rd degree burn from you! You are a man of extra ordinary magnitude. :laugh: :laugh:

Skip 04-15-2007 08:30 PM

Fire up the grill!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weirs guy
:laugh: :laugh: Oh, my, Farve. I'll tell you Skip, I would not have expected that level of 3rd degree burn from you! You are a man of extra ordinary magnitude. :laugh: :laugh:

Ah, just for you my friend.....a special treat! :liplick:

ApS 04-16-2007 07:40 AM

Learned-Counsel APS For the Defense!
 
Obviously, RH is a Herpetologist—or perhaps just a passionate hobbyist in them "Herps".

While "herps" such as timber rattlesnakes don't get much respect here, they're the "canary in the coal mine" for species that could disappear.

But what will such a hobbyist be saying in the year 2057? :confused:

(I've done a little re-wording to the original post here): :)

Quote:

For 2057, we are desperately trying to document the occurrence of Loons in the New England Area. Many populations have been wiped out and we are searching for any new and unknown populations to protect and keep the area WILD!

They are critically endangered in Mass and Vermont with only single known population left in New Hampshire. As we know they are now extinct from Maine and Rhode Island. The populations in New York and Connecticut have greatly been reduced and face the ever present loss of habitat.

We are hoping that someone has seen Loons in areas that we do no know.

Please visit our site wwwSearchingForAnyLoonsRemainingnet if you think that you may have seen one or many. This page can help rule out imposters and look-a-likes!

We appreciate your help GREATLY!


Kevin

Looking for Loons , working to save remnant populations in New England. We need to know about sightings and need your help!
There...Fixed it. :)

RattlesnakeHunter 04-16-2007 08:54 AM

Gee.....you went DEEP
 
on that one....

You should really try for something a bit more involved and more demanding of your few lingering brain cells. That witty notion why not post Rattlesnake Recipes..... sharp, dreadfully sharp!

Funny you use the slogan with the word "Ignornace" in it. You cleary suffer a form of it and you fail to have the wit needed to make you amazing.

Do you have all of your teeth?

Love Muffin

RattlesnakeHunter 04-16-2007 09:05 AM

Sunshine...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weirs guy
:laugh: :laugh: Oh, my, Farve. I'll tell you Skip, I would not have expected that level of 3rd degree burn from you! You are a man of extra ordinary magnitude. :laugh: :laugh:

Since you are obviously the type to stand by the road and cheer on passing cars on then this is a PERFECT inside activity for you. You have been amazed by "Skip" and this is truely something. Do you find yourself playing hide and seek with your mirror?

It's the oldest one in the book! Ignorant jerk that beats his chest if someone beyond his limited views talks about saving some useless species.

"Save the baby Harp Seal"

= "Yeah, save the cute furry little seals so there will be some for me to club to death too"!


Wit beyond the sharpness of a marble.


Sylvester

ITD 04-16-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip
Ah, just for you my friend.....a special treat! :liplick:

Actually you can get fried rattlesnake here:

http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/gui...=1154654628521

when it is in season. Comes on a plate cut up into little cubes, battered and deep fried. It does taste like chicken and is a little rubbery and a little pricey $14.95. Don't think I would get it again though....

SIKSUKR 04-16-2007 10:57 AM

I think it's time for someone to go away.This forum doesn't need this kind of trolling and lashing out when when the poster is called out.Please Don.

RattlesnakeHunter 04-16-2007 11:32 AM

Just for the record....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR
I think it's time for someone to go away.This forum doesn't need this kind of trolling and lashing out when when the poster is called out.Please Don.

I have been quite serious about the Timber Rattlesnake stuff hoping that someone may know something that the State of NH does not. We are getting quite desperate to locate another population. Southern NH has built up so fast , land values have sky rocketed and the hope of finding another population and protecting is fading quick. The area has a longtime history of this animal and it is an act of desperation looking for any new leads. The state has nearly lost hope and I am beating the bushes to see if there is anything left.

It seems that there are some snake haters or non-animal lover's here that find it funny to make fun of this point. Wildlife has enough problems as it is...

I can sling when they fling!

Kevin

Weirs guy 04-16-2007 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter
We are getting quite desperate to locate another population.

And your flaming has made sure that none of us will help you in your endeavor.

And thanks to Skip and ITD I now know what to serve for lunch during bike week!

Seacrest out.

RattlesnakeHunter 04-16-2007 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weirs guy
And your flaming has made sure that none of us will help you in your endeavor.

And thanks to Skip and ITD I now know what to serve for lunch during bike week!

Seacrest out.

You could really offer nothing, you obviously know nothing and you think that people that actually flame me first are victims?

You three ride around destroying the landscape in your scooters? You rank in the limited wit department. If you really think I am crushed because I am now "devalued" by your gang of intellectual midgets you are clearly mistaken.

We could have helped an endangered species but we instead chose to joke about serving it up for dinner. The two don't go together, if someone actually cared about another species then they would try to help.... it is the people that don't know a thing about it but need subject to sharpen their third grade charm. I think the three of you need to get together to collaborate on your next series of post, break new ground and use words that exceed six or seven letters!

The Rattlesnake you claim to eat at your next Ronco Big Wheel Party are actually Western Diamondbacks..... not endangered yet. Just brutally exploited and forced out of their dens with gasoline! The same gasoline that ruins the ground water and poisons the land for every lifeform. But you would not care because you are not what?

What could it be?

Peek a Choo

Resident 2B 04-16-2007 06:48 PM

Still Around?
 
RSH,

Biggest surprise of the week for me is that you are still allowed to post here!

Good luck with your effort to find areas still being used by the Timberback Rattlesnake. I respect you for that effort. There are some posts about these snakes on the web site for New England Mountain Bikers.

However, your confrontational posting style seems out-of-sync with most/all other posters on this site. Perhaps you would consider an immediate and sustained modification of your style. If not, perhaps you should decide to move on.

Good luck with your efforts to protect the snakes.

R2B

SteveA 04-16-2007 07:56 PM

Nice Post R2B
 
You did a better job on this thread than I did on the "Bears" thread..:)

I agree that the orginal post was a worthy cause... Soo many people on here have been and continue to be advocates for the wildlife here in the Lakes Region.

I suspect RH got a little to focused on the "humor" some of us put into our posts... I've tripped on that same thing.. and was able to "back off" my agenda... and have a smile... What's that old saw... "More with honey......"

SteveA 04-16-2007 08:35 PM

Interesting
 
Seems our RH has a bit of history... I'll bet it doesn't surprise anyone here.. :)

http://forum.hike-nh.com/viewtopic.p...fde32f0ffe1a3b

http://rockgrrl.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaB...num=1174263314

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/sout...LUJSFB4KP04R6N

I guess we shouldn't feel picked on, he seems very sincere and dedicated in his quest..maybe it's just a style issue.

Sunrise Point 04-16-2007 08:45 PM

Your own worst enemy..
 
RSH

If I came across a Timber Rattler on my property, I wouldn't share the information with you. You may have had good intentions but your rants have certainly changed my mind. Endangered species don't need "champions" like you. You do more harm than good to the cause.

Skip 04-16-2007 08:48 PM

One man's style is another man's ?????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveA
...I guess we shouldn't feel picked on, he seems very sincere and dedicated in his quest..maybe it's just a style issue...

Good point Steve.

But if one wonders if the "style" shown here may be detrimental to his cause, take a gander at this website about half way down the page titled "Kev's timber rant, January 2005" . Maybe its just me, but I didn't get any warm & fuzzy feelings after reading those few paragraphs! :(

SteveA 04-16-2007 10:26 PM

Asked and Answered
 
Skip..

Thanks for the post of Kevin's rant.... I still admire his passion.. I really do...

My wife and I are really into adopting older "shelter" cats... (few people will take them) It's our "thing". Snakes are his "Thing"... so like I said... his passion isn't a problem... it's in the delivery of his message.. We deal with all the "crazy cat people" ( ya.. OK... we have 8 cats! :) ) comments from friends and family with a smile... RH needs to learn that it dosen't matter what others think... and he needs to learn that his passion may not be understood by others. If he wants to spread the message... he needs to "put a little sugar" on it.

The way too old salesman in me could really help him if he would listen! :

Weirs guy 04-17-2007 12:33 PM

Agreed. If I point out to SteveA that cats taste just like chicken, or to Skip that LEO's do too, they know I'm pulling their legs. Or at least they hope I'm pulling their leg, but we all move on and let each others little oddities flavor the big mixing pot we have here. When Skip points out the chickeny goodness of snakes, we're baby seal clubbing terrorists who are out to pave the world with our 2nd grade education to RSH. But, I'm sure that to RSH its not his issue, its that the 50 or so of us who post here regularly are wrong. :confused:

So RSH, here it is. I offered what little help to you I could, even answering your pm to me and offering more help if needed. It was your choice after that to blast away with both guns and the tree hugging "the end is near" mentality we've seen here. For a 4x4 truck owning, mud slinging camping and fishing hick like myself your barking up the wrong tree. I'd go on, but I'd also like to be welcome here once your gone. Best of luck with your hunt!

Skip and Steve, the snake bites will be served the Saturday of Bike Weekend! :D

Gavia immer 04-17-2007 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveA
Skip..
Thanks for the post of Kevin's rant.... I still admire his passion.. I really do...

Kevin's rant contains some "Live Free or Die".

Quote:

Attitude, rather than disposition, is more definitive of serpent behavior. From the moment they emerge into this world until they complete their life cycle, their attitude is

"Don't tread on me. I am well prepared to defend myself, but content to pass through life unnoticed. I mean no harm to anything or anyone that our creator has not proved as my bill of fare. I am self-sustaining, and I like it that way. Please pass me by." - Bill Haast
Bill Haast was frequently snakebit at his tourist reptile attraction and regularly donated his blood for anti-venin development.

Development takes 14,000 acres of New Hampshire's nature every year and New Hampshire's wildlife has to be somewhere.

SteveA 04-18-2007 06:31 PM

Too funny
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weirs guy
Agreed. If I point out to SteveA that cats taste just like chicken, or to Skip that LEO's do too, they know I'm pulling their legs. Skip and Steve, the snake bites will be served the Saturday of Bike Weekend! :D

Weirsguy.... everything tastes like Chicken.... :laugh: :laugh: send me a P/M and I'll be there on Bike weekend.. I'll bring my famous Chilli... Hot but no cats or rattlesnakes...:eek:

Skip 04-18-2007 06:57 PM

Domestic or imported....bottled or draft????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Weirs guy
...Skip and Steve, the snake bites will be served the Saturday of Bike Weekend! ...:D

You keep inviting me and I just may have to show up! :cheers:

RattlesnakeHunter 04-19-2007 08:23 PM

The land of Political correctness
 
is alive and well here!

One point is that if you are let's say defending cats and someone says "don't they taste like chicken" you KNOW that is a joke. Snakes on the other hand get abused since most people are terrified of them for so many reasons; most of these snake fears are based on misinformation and tall tales.

As far as me doing more harm than good you are way off base there but it is an easy thing to say and the real good comes to education where I am top of the heap. We do many public reptile shows which are quite popular. Coming here is just my version of beating the bushes and hoping that there is something still out there. I might as well be looking for Wolves!
I may not always play nice in a sandbox of angry babies but I will still visit them.

As far as being a tree hugger or animal right's freak I am not. I do love animals and such but I understand there is a reality to all of this, all I try to do is slow the human impact on some of them.

Pick away!

Laura

SIKSUKR 04-20-2007 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter

As far as me doing more harm than good you are way off base there but it is an easy thing to say and the real good comes to education where I am top of the heap.

Laura


And very modest too.

ITD 04-20-2007 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeHunter
is alive and well here!

One point is that if you are let's say defending cats and someone says "don't they taste like chicken" you KNOW that is a joke. Snakes on the other hand get abused since most people are terrified of them for so many reasons; most of these snake fears are based on misinformation and tall tales.

As far as me doing more harm than good you are way off base there but it is an easy thing to say and the real good comes to education where I am top of the heap. We do many public reptile shows which are quite popular. Coming here is just my version of beating the bushes and hoping that there is something still out there. I might as well be looking for Wolves!
I may not always play nice in a sandbox of angry babies but I will still visit them.

As far as being a tree hugger or animal right's freak I am not. I do love animals and such but I understand there is a reality to all of this, all I try to do is slow the human impact on some of them.

Pick away!

Laura

Projection my friend, projection. Anyway, you seem sincere about the snakes, I hope you have some success. I'm done.

Mee-n-Mac 04-20-2007 04:07 PM

Tastes like chicken
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveA
Weirsguy.... everything tastes like Chicken.... :laugh: :laugh: send me a P/M and I'll be there on Bike weekend.. I'll bring my famous Chilli... Hot but no cats or rattlesnakes...:eek:

I can state with authority that alligator tastes like chicken. :devil:



I believe that wolves do not. :p



I'm not sure about angry babies. (or even complacent ones) I'll do some "research" and see what I can find out. :eek:

RattlesnakeHunter 04-23-2007 07:53 AM

Alligator tastes a bit like chicken but a bit chewier. I have tried it, the difference is that they are FARMED. I also keep them as pets and my biggest one is close to 9'! He is a WONDERFUL animal to say the least, nothing what people would expect from an alligator!

All Rattlesnakes used as food are collected from the wild generally at or near their winter den area. This means they are easily exploited and entire populations can be wiped out with little effort.

I can only wish there were still Wolves in NH.

Earwig

Mark 04-23-2007 09:08 AM

What they taste like
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac
I can state with authority that alligator tastes like chicken. :devil:

I believe that wolves do not. :p

I'm not sure about angry babies. (or even complacent ones) I'll do some "research" and see what I can find out. :eek:

I heard that they taste a lot like rattlesnake. Seriously.

:)

RattlesnakeHunter 01-21-2008 09:37 AM

Can you tell me more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankee (Post 45152)
Kevin,

I have seen a Timber Rattler, or what looks like one coiled up under some big rocks that make up one of my stone walls. I highly suggest that you wander the Scruton Conservation Easement that lies just west of Blue Job Mountain in Farmington. That area has some old growth forest and the lower areas appear to have been never abused by man.


Do you think it had a Rattle....the area is quite a place and I have heard a few stories but this rekindles my interest..

THanks....I forgot to come back here to see if anyone had anything good to tell..


Thanks - -Kevin


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