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I find it sad how many people so strongly advocate safety over freedom.
I get it, folks are scared, and many people look to government like a toddler looks to a parent. But I have news for you... the state didn't come into existence to keep us safe - it came into existence to keep us free. You don't get to use every scary situation to use the apparatus to club the rest of us and expect us all to perpetually grin and bear it. Enough is enough. |
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Only a fool walks into a buzzsaw, just as only a fool refuses to comply with such common sense actions as social distancing in order to protect themselves and others from a clear and present danger.
I'm sure the gov't wouldn't need to shut down the economy if people would all voluntarily adopt social distancing, but such a unified response would never happen voluntarily: alas, "We've met the enemy, and it is us." It takes a stern captain to pilot a ship of fools through treacherous shoals. |
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ian-city-hall/ |
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She's a scofflaw, throw the book at her. |
Against all of my better judgement I’m actually going to comment, knowing full well it won’t change anyone’s mind. Regarding that article posted above, (excerpt below) I hope those who use the “this wouldn’t have been an issue if they would have just listened to the police” argument do so consistently. It would not surprise me if some people (and this is NOT directed at you Seaplane Pilot, I don’t pretend to know enough about you to make this statement) use that argument in other situations but not in this case.
From the article: “Police said they made several attempts to get Brady to follow the rules and she refused to comply.” Regardless, Here’s to the warm summer days to come, regardless of when, where or to what degree we are able to enjoy them! Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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The enemy is nominds like you who don't respect freedom of choice. |
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I just read that the Sandwich Fair has been canceled for 2020! This is not until Columbus weekend in October!
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The gov't enacted many draconian laws which severely impacted ones liberty interests, and it was deemed appropriate by the courts and the general public due to the perceived consequences of not adopting such harsh laws. We interred Japanese nationals and seized their property (didn't do it to German nationalss though; gee, I wonder why not?). More to the point we adopted very strict rationing: the law said no matter how much money you had, no matter what your need, this is all you got. Many people felt that the rationing laws shouldn't and didn't apply to them, and they turned to the black market, which undermined the national effort. |
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https://www.unionleader.com/news/hea...lock_id=664693 |
Did you already have it and did not know?
Seems like we are starting to find out that people were infected weeks before the alarm went off and the first hospital trigger. The latest estimates (Reported by NBC New York yesterday) for New York who is doing antibody testing now is that the death rate may be closer to .5. (Yes, worse than the flu - but one can only hope the number is closer to .5 than what has been reported in the past)
Going to be a lot of looking back on this down the road regarding what the best steps should have been. A lot easier to do after the fact we all know that. One thing that jumps out to me is the sad aspect around nursing homes and how disproportionally they have been hit with the most susceptible population. One quarter of the deaths in NY have been at such institutions. Very, very sad. |
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Why Are the Healthy Being Quarantined?
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From a dentist friend of mine -
More people are going to suffer the longer this shutdown is enforced than from the disease itself. Never in the history of this country have we quarantined healthy people. A big part of my job is about infection control and the longer we are quarantined the worse our immune systems are going to get and more people are going to get critically ill from this disease. What Fauci and the WHO are doing is going against most of what I was taught in dental school. We cannot stay quarantined until a vaccine, that could take years. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Also I would find a new dentist. |
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One of my crowns fell out a few weeks ago. When I called my dentist, she said she was not allowed to use a drill because the drilling aerosolizes liquid in the mouth, creating micro particles that are especially difficult to keep contained--they hang in the air. You might ask your dentist about that |
He’s a very smart guy who I trust implicitly, more than a career hack like Dr Fauci.
True story, I had a Navy dentist friend who reattached an amputated arm on a destroyer. He was the only doctor on board so he had to do it. Never underestimate the medical training of a dentist. Fauci was the one telling us early on that the Chinese Coronavirus was not a big deal. Come to think about it, he was right! #overblown Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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How do you feel about fact checking? Your "dentist friend" should stick to filling cavities and not trying to revise American history: he and you are flat WRONG to claim as you have above. We HAVE quarantined healthy people: we did it in 1918 to help combat the influenza pandemic sweeping the world at that time. see: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...antine/609163/ Now I realize facts have a habit of getting the way of closely held beliefs, but for those who use their brains as a filter they can be illuminating. |
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I lost part of a tooth about three weeks ago, and my dentist (different from my friend dentist) drilled (smoothed our the surface) before applying a temporary patch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
It's too bad that this whole thread has been infected by a virus.:(
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The case of the dangling arm
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Fauci has made gigantic contributions to medicine having nothing to do with his also extraordinary career in management. For those with an interest in real science and real medicine, here's his bio: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio |
I don’t trust government bureaucrat hacks whose best interest is to promote their own agendas. Where were you when the esteemed doctor said there is nothing to worry about? And yes, I trust this dentist implicitly.
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It's just that I actually took the post as it was very obviously intended, as in he was on a destroyer while this occurred. If you don't know Destroyers don't get real doctors, they get pharmacist mates and maybe a visiting dentist now and again. All have cross training, and cover as needed. And if someone loses a limb or is otherwise wounded everyone jumps in, in this case I imagine to stabilize and get a couple major arteries flowing so said limb can be saved by more competent folks. Sorry if you think that's a joke and I don't, different paths in life I guess. |
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Destroyers are well-armed. They even carry depth charges. :D
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Back to the OP: this is a pretty good summary of where we are and need to go. The assertion is that we need to move forward getting back to "normal," but the next year (at least) will need to be smart and driven by data: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertp...navirus-facts/
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Majority FYI...
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He's also published in Forbes, which is Chinese majority-owned. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-28380634 |
Consider the medical staff
A major problem with opening things up now is the need to respect the medical staff. Without a supply of proper protection equipment and proven ways to treat the staff that get infected, they are acting as heroes. People on the front lines have repeatedly asked that people avoid getting sick so that they can minimize their personal risk. To open up now is to treat these heroes with disrespect. How can you ask someone to risk their life because you assumed the virus wouldn't hit you hard, so mingled with crowds and caught it bad. Could you blame the staff if they all called in sick during a non-essential driven surge of severe cases?
Once protective equipment is readily available (any day now?) and catching this novel virus has lower risks (many trials in progress), opening up and letting herd immunity build is a viable strategy, especially for those that don't come in contact with people at risk. People are still going to die from this virus, but we can't continue to ask the medical staff to be among them without sharing the pain. |
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Sorry, my index finger wouldn’t let me stop writing this. Be forgiving. |
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No one really yet knows the answer and it is vital information as we move forward. |
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