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DEJ 05-15-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 311550)
"But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago."

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/ans...-years-ago.asp

https://reason.com/2016/01/19/cost-o...nation-in-the/

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-for-decades/

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This thread is about hired help problems.

Major 05-15-2019 03:03 PM

Excuses
 
You can make all the excuses in the world. One thing I know for sure, my friend's mom would have equal success today as she did 50 years ago. The only thing that has changed is our mindset. People saying it can't be done. I think today it is somewhat easier, since people who are willing to work hard really stand out.

Outdoorsman 05-15-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 311546)
Major, your examples are always 30-50 years old. You realize that world no longer exists, right?! Wages vs. living costs are nowhere near what they used to be. Not even close. My parents bought a home on a maintenance man's and grocery clerks salaries in the late 60's. College cost $600 then.

I don't think anyone should ever depend on, or want to depend on, the system; I also know the importance and value of hard work and perseverance (don't forget I worked full time and paid for my own bachelor's and master's degrees mostly in cash, something that could no longer happen, either) but to make comparisons between what it took to succeed 30-50 years ago and now is absurd.

Thirty minutes later you posted this

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 311550)
"But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago."

You can't have it both ways. Not even in today's world.

thinkxingu 05-15-2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Outdoorsman (Post 311556)
Thirty minutes later you posted this

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 311550)
"But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago."

You can't have it both ways. Not even in today's world.

Yes, but access to well-paying jobs and the costs to achieve those wages has increased. Trade schools, colleges, certification programs, etc. have all exponentially increased and jobs that don't require any education have had the least amount of increases.

Again, it's not impossible, but it's no longer a given that hard work is enough and in an economy like today, where employees are in the driver's seat, increased wages may be a necessity.

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Biggd 05-15-2019 05:10 PM

Basically if you can't find a job in this environment then you either have some serious physical, mental, or drug issues otherwise you are just plain lazy. You're either making money or making excuses.

thinkxingu 05-15-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggd (Post 311564)
Basically if you can't find a job in this environment then you either have some serious physical, mental, or drug issues otherwise you are just plain lazy. You're either making money or making excuses.

Agreed. I don't know much about local support systems--does anyone know if there's a job placement aspect to unemployment or just requirements to keep receiving benefits?

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tis 05-15-2019 05:22 PM

The young need and expect so much more today. We did not have cable, internet, cell phones, hardly ever went out to dinner or picked up pizza. We went grocery shopping with a limited list. Chips and junk food were rare. We didn't stop for coffee on the way to work and we took our lunch to work. And you can bet a lot smoke today which is very expensive. We did not expect to have everything when we first started out but today they do. If they didn't have the government to depend on, they would have to change these habits for a few years.

Trfour, I can't help but think of all your pictures of your trip. All those kids but I bet your parents didn't take a penny from the government.

Garcia 05-15-2019 08:05 PM

Perhaps a way to pay, at least in part, for entitlements could be to collect the $400 billion in taxes that are owed but never collect. That would certainly help

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/irs-loses-...r-unpaid-taxes

In all seriousness, a huge problem for seasonal service industry destinations like the Lakes Region is housing. The area can’t support all the summer workers it needs year round, and it struggles to provide affordable housing during the peak season.

And before we spend any more time disparaging the younger generation we should all remember that our Social Security and Medicare benefits rely on their payroll taxes. We expect to receive far more in benefits than we paid in.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-paid-what-yo/ (Article is dated - the gap between what we paid and what we receive has grown). And for those who have saved and planned well for your own retirement and don’t need Social Security, do you refuse it - or are you entitled to it?

Are we just as outraged by these programs that the elderly benefit from as we are from seeing someone use an EBT card?

Major 05-15-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia (Post 311574)
Perhaps a way to pay, at least in part, for entitlements could be to collect the $400 billion in taxes that are owed but never collect. That would certainly help

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/irs-loses-...r-unpaid-taxes

In all seriousness, a huge problem for seasonal service industry destinations like the Lakes Region is housing. The area can’t support all the summer workers it needs year round, and it struggles to provide affordable housing during the peak season.

And before we spend any more time disparaging the younger generation we should all remember that our Social Security and Medicare benefits rely on their payroll taxes. We expect to receive far more in benefits than we paid in.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-paid-what-yo/ (Article is dated - the gap between what we paid and what we receive has grown). And for those who have saved and planned well for your own retirement and don’t need Social Security, do you refuse it - or are you entitled to it?

Are we just as outraged by these programs that the elderly benefit from as we are from seeing someone use an EBT card?

Not true for everyone. I’m 53. If I don’t pay another penny, and I retire at 67, I would have to live until 79 just to get back the money I put in. Some people pay in way more than they will ever receive.



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trfour 05-16-2019 12:37 AM

Tis,
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Trfour, I can't help but think of all your pictures of your trip. All those kids but I bet your parents didn't take a penny from the government.
For us, it's Always been, PAY or NAE!! Pay Pay Pay Baby!! :)
Hi Tis

fatlazyless 05-16-2019 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Major
.... I would have to live until 79 just to get back the money I put in. Some people pay in way more than they will ever receive.

Sorry buddy ..... you was born at the wrong time ..... if you was born back in 1915 ..... lived to age-95 in 2010 ..... your Soc Sec monthly money totals would pay big for what you done paid in ..... too bad! The amount people used to pay in was like peanuts ..... and by living long .... had the benefits of increased pay-outs, big time .... which you helped to pay.

August 14, 1935: Social Security Administration was founded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...Administration

Got to wonder how Donald Trump, age-72 ..... does he receive a monthly Social Security pay-out ..... an interesting question ... he probably does?


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