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Biggd 08-30-2019 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 318636)
Informative article but I do not see a resolution just more observation. I just do not understand it’s so easy to fix. Change the signal to a traditional green yellow and red and you’ll be done.


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Your solution is too easy. It has to be studied 1000 times first before changes can be made.
Personally I think they should have built a bridge and it would have solved multiple problems, no traffic stop and no oversized trucks. They could have even built a platform at the top for a great view of the bay.

TheProfessor 08-30-2019 09:07 AM

BYPASS.

Most/many/all are missing the solution.

A bypass around the lights in Meredith. To take/remove all of the through traffic.

Go from 104 to at least the top of the hill past the high school/schools.

Will not, of course, solve any pedestrian lights issues. But will provide much less traffic.

hilltopper 08-30-2019 09:44 AM

It's that easy, huh?
 
Biggd … Big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!.
TheProfessor … Wetlands and big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!.

fatlazyless 08-30-2019 10:23 AM

Posting a directional sign that says Meredith Scenic Detour with a directional arrow at the intersection of Winona Rd and Rt 104 to point the way would be a help. Add a few more similar signs along the detour and it would be good to go!

Signs, signs, everywhere a sign, we need some Meredith Scenic Detour arrow signs to point the way.:laugh::eek:

Ha ha ha .... will never happen ..... if anything, Winona Rd will be made a one way road, going the wrong way, to keep any detour traffic ..... away. Maybe a Winona Rd toll gate so's traffic can pay a toll to take the Meredith Scenic Detour!

tbonies 08-30-2019 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheProfessor (Post 318647)
BYPASS.

Most/many/all are missing the solution.

A bypass around the lights in Meredith. To take/remove all of the through traffic.

Go from 104 to at least the top of the hill past the high school/schools.

Will not, of course, solve any pedestrian lights issues. But will provide much less traffic.

This makes sense. But they should require a $5 toll for using the bypass for any car with an out of state tag coming from Moultonborough, since they complain about everything. Just call it a Whiner Tax.


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tummyman 08-30-2019 01:06 PM

And watch out for that right hand turning lane at LAGO heading to Rt25. It is a RED STOPLIGHT.....not a "right turn on red" intersection. They need to post a sign that says "no turns on red". If you make the turn now on a red, you risk a ticket. Beware.....

jbolty 08-30-2019 01:46 PM

Here's the problem the way I see it. Everyone; tourists, locals or delivery trucks who are coming or going to Moultonboro, Ossipee, North Conway or anywhere in between and need to reach I93 have to go through the lights in Meredith so there is a constant stream of traffic. Add to that people who have never been here before, maybe towing a boat, on vacation and driving slow anyway and it all piles up.

Next, we are all conditioned to be aware of pedestrians and all over the place there are those yellow signs in the middle of the street saying to yield to pedestrians or else and people walking expect the right of way and the law is on their side.

If people were like robots maybe the hawk signal would work but because of the built in awareness of the law and general yankee manners people tend to stop as soon as someone gets close to the edge of the road; that is not going to change. Meantime the peds might not cross despite being waved at because the traffic going the other way isn't stopping. Finally they run across and are half way to getting an ice cream cone at dockside when the crossing light goes red for nothing. Meanwhile traffic is backed up to Moulton's Farm.

The various solutions, in no order:
  • Full stop light at the current crossing location. I can still see cars waving people across even under a green though.
  • Full stop light further up at Lake street. Same problems but at least cars could turn left out of Lake St as well as be able to make a left into the dockside parking.
  • Move the road closer to the lake and the parking lot to the other side which might reduce the amount of people crossing the street.
  • Synch the hawk light so it only allows crossing when the left at 25 is red.
  • Pedestrian bridge or tunnel.

I have been beating the drum for a bridge for years and still think it's really the only option that would make a difference. I could envision a big wood timber structure like a covered bridge that could also have a place to sit and watch the lake; decorative and functional.

Lakemamma 08-30-2019 02:27 PM

Police Officer
 
So today driving by they had a police officer waiting on one side and when people would stop to let people cross he would wave traffic to keep going. He kept watching for the lights to go on then he would go out in the road and and have people stop.

Wifi-1 08-30-2019 02:37 PM

Problem with a bridge or tunnel is how to make it ADA compliant ?

jbolty 08-30-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wifi-1 (Post 318667)
Problem with a bridge or tunnel is how to make it ADA compliant ?

Have to have an elevator for ADA or a really long ramp. Of course the bridge could be closed or optional for off season.

joey2665 08-30-2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jbolty (Post 318668)
Have to have an elevator for ADA or a really long ramp. Of course the bridge could be closed or optional for off season.

An ADA Compliant bridge although aesthetically pleasing would cost a fortune. Try a normal light first, easy inexpensive and hopefully it will work you can additionally add signage to stop only on a red signal

The Real BigGuy 08-30-2019 05:41 PM

Why not move the crossing down to the corner and use the existing lights? Fence off the roadside if you have to.


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fatlazyless 08-30-2019 05:43 PM

..... the MEREDITH BRIDGE
 
An all wood, timber style bridge with a steep staircase on both sides for crossing Rt-3, there, is an excellent suggestion. Build a five foot high, steel security fence along the docks area so climbing the steep stairs, up and down the bridge, will truly be the only way to cross the road.

People will be better off climbing a pedestrian bridge with steep stairs ....... 3/4 of everybody will benefit from the extra exercise ...... build it steep .... with a covered wood bridge up top to keep the rain and snow out.

An elevated, traditional covered timber bridge will bring a lot of public attention to Meredith. Build it and tourists will come here, just to walk the Meredith covered bridge. How's about naming it ........ ta-da ..... drum roll here ...... the MEREDITH BRIDGE .... a major improvement over the Meredith hawk signal.
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If there's no funding to build an elevated covered bridge ....... then get it done on the cheap ...... with an Indiana Jones style ..... rope and wood slats style bridge accessed by 20' high ladders, on both sides ...... what a bridge!:banana:

WinnisquamZ 08-30-2019 09:43 PM

Where are all these people going? There is not much there


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joey2665 08-30-2019 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 318678)
Where are all these people going? There is not much there


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?? Downtown Meredith? I think this is sarcastic but anyway.... shops, docks, hotels, restaurants, and obviously a big thruway to get to Center Harbor, Moultonborough and other points east

TheProfessor 08-30-2019 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hilltopper (Post 318652)
Biggd … Big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!.
TheProfessor … Wetlands and big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!.

The authorities are exempt from all of that.

The/A bypass is the only real long term solution.

joey2665 08-30-2019 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheProfessor (Post 318680)
The authorities are exempt from all of that.

The/A bypass is the only real long term solution.

I disagree I think this is complicating simplicity.


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MAXUM 08-31-2019 09:45 AM

LOL it is rather comical in that the town wants to attract people and tourists but has no clue how to handle them when they come. What was done on Rt3\25 was nothing other than rearranging the chess pieces on the same board which did nothing to IMHO improve traffic flow, in fact, it basically was all cosmetic except for those dumb HAWK signals that made the situation worse.

Thank goodness for 8 months out of the year it's not a big deal to get through town. After this weekend should be a breeze again till Memorial Day next year.

TheTimeTraveler 08-31-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 318636)
Informative article but I do not see a resolution just more observation. I just do not understand it’s so easy to fix. Change the signal to a traditional green yellow and red and you’ll be done.


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This is an interesting article....

The Town of Meredith used Federal Money to do this project, so they have to follow the federal guidelines and rules.

Simple solution would be for the Town to reimburse the Federal Government and then the Town could alter the signal set up as it sees fit according to NH State Guidelines.

Of course all this is easier said than done......

fatlazyless 08-31-2019 05:10 PM

...... a tunnel?
 
About 20-minutes north of Meredith, the Holderness School has a pedestrian tunnel, constructed under Route 175 in 2011, so their students and staff can walk from the new dorms and eight outdoor tennis courts to the classroom buildings without having to cross the lightly trafficked road. Have seen riders on bicycles and skate boards using the tunnel, there.

http://www.andrewsconst.com/project/...strian-tunnel/

Maybe a tunnel is a doable improvement for the Meredith traffic hawk signal, pedestrian crossing? Probably, all tunnels have water leaks, so it would need a sump pump or something, to keep it dry.

Hillcountry 08-31-2019 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 318705)
About 20-minutes north of Meredith, the Holderness School had a pedestrian tunnel constructed under Route 175 in 2011 so their students and staff could walk from the new dorms and eight outdoor tennis courts to the classroom buildings without having to cross the lightly trafficked road. Have seen riders on bicycles and skate boards using the tunnel, there.

http://www.andrewsconst.com/project/...strian-tunnel/

Maybe a tunnel is a doable improvement for the Meredith traffic hawk signal?

FLL There’s already a tunnel up the street a ways...strap on your noodle and have at it! Don’t slip on the goose pucky!

Sue Doe-Nym 09-01-2019 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler (Post 318702)
This is an interesting article....

The Town of Meredith used Federal Money to do this project, so they have to follow the federal guidelines and rules.

Simple solution would be for the Town to reimburse the Federal Government and then the Town could alter the signal set up as it sees fit according to NH State Guidelines.

Of course all this is easier said than done......

According to one of the selectmen I talked to state money was used,not federal.


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