Post #88 certainly seems to confirm your inclination to one side.

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Your first post attacked other people as paranoid and hysterical

And others claim the hypotheses in the article false. Back to square one.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/

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If we can't get through this kind of warped logic, then let's just forget it.

It's all statistics.

If I'm vaccinated you are LESS likely to infect me (whether you wear a mask or not).
If I'm vaccinated and wear a mask you're EVEN LESS likely to infect me, but you still can !!!
If we are both vaccinated and both wear mask those are the BEST ODDS of infecting each other. But it's still possible.

Sure the odds are low. But what if we are passing that new strain and it gets into a community that has less protection. It mutates and then comes BACK and our vaccine no longer work.

NOTHING is 100%

We have no idea how effective the vaccines are on ALL the new strains out there now and the NEW ones that WILL come.

It's like a smoldering fire. After the fire is "Out" you drown it with more water and wait an hour to make sure it's out. With COVID there are cinders still burning with tons of fuel left. Don't walk away now and assume it will burn out. It MIGHT, but it might not. Why take ANY chance?

This is NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about ALL of US.

If we use EVERY thing in our power, the sooner and more likely we can get it under control.

If you decide to get on the highway with no brakes. Are you risking your life or everyones? This is no different. What you do, does effect others.
And if you do get sick you burden OUR hospitals and our tax dollars to try and save you.

You live in a COMMON WEALTH and we are in this TOGETHER whether you like it or not.

Your assumption is incorrect.

Funny. God bless you Johnny Lawrence. Again, relax and go enjoy life.

Signed Daniel San

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Nobody said that people who are against mask wearing are angels - nothing of the sort. What I said was that the pro-maskers are always pushing their beliefs and agendas on the anti-maskers. Your video didn’t show any indication of this anti-mask person forcing her beliefs on others. She didn’t want to wear a mask, but lost her cool. Big difference.

And oh, by the way, here’s an excellent article demonstrating why masks don’t work: https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy

Do any of you anti-maskers ever research your "sources"? I mean, Jesus Christ this is bad:

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Don't_Work

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For Christ sake, no minds are going to be changed here no matter what poll or study is dredged up from the internet.

Agreed, but c'mon—at least post reasonably researched support to add to the conversation. Or is that even too much to ask in '21?

Given that "alternative facts" is a thing, perhaps so.

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100% agreed, hence my earlier comment.

YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

https://i.imgflip.com/211ktj.jpg

Perhaps some think the research they did was reasonable. That is their right. Just because some disagree there is no need to try and shame them or belittle them. This goes for both sides of this or any other issue.

Liberals need to update their playbook. The current playbook is outdated and predictable, and just consists of insulting, degrading, disparaging and discrediting. (Pssssssst....masks do not prevent the spread of viruses)

It’s a deduction, not an assumption.

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By reacting like a child throwing a tantrum, any anti-masker is pushing their belief and agenda on those around them. Why can’t they just put one on or leave the establishment? Maybe I should go into businesses and light up a cigarette, then throw a tantrum when they ask me to put it out or leave.

Not an excellent article, but an example of pseudoscience. Picking quotes out of the broader context within an article that seem to prove ones opinion is not science. I suggest you fact check your sources.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/b...-pseudoscience


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Your deduction is incorrect.

I think you are making a huge assumption here. Many people like myself that do not agree with wearing masks either do not patron the establishment that requires masks or like I do many times, if the business requires masks I will wear them (this is america and as business owners it this their choice not set up or not set up mask requirements, also taking into account government guidelines) if they do not require them I do not wear them. I am not pushing an agenda by not wearing my mask were I am not required as I do not think you are if you wear it everywhere, that is you choice

https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/maskle...ordstrom-rack/

I wonder if she posts on this website ?

One more with your morning coffee. Can’t smoke with a mask on. Is it smoking or no mask?

https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot...-19-again.html


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My first sentence clearly states I’m referring to the anti-maskers who throw tantrums. I have no issue with anti-maskers who calmly go about their business. It’s impossible to know if someone is wearing a mask because they want to or because they have to. I don’t confront people who aren’t wearing masks when I’m out shopping because I really don’t care, unless they’re standing way too close. Then they get the hairy eyeball. But I did that pre-Covid because if someone is standing within a foot of me in a store, I question their motives.


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I agree on one of your points. No tantrums necessary. If you don't want to wear a mask, just move on. But on the other hand, you support my point. Why do pro-masker Karens get in the faces of anti-maskers? Leave us alone.

Now, about your analogy on smoking - this makes no sense. If you had said that you went into an establishment, lit up a cigarette and tried to force everyone else to smoke, then it would have been a valid analogy to what the pro-maskers are doing.

NH Mask Mandates
 

Then we agree there is no need for tantrums from either side. But let’s be clear, an employee in a store who asks someone to put on a mask is not a pro-masker Karen. They are enforcing the rules of the business. And that was the point of my analogy. Customers have to abide by the rules established by a business, whether they agree with them or not.

In no way do I condone individuals confronting other people about not wearing a mask. It’s easier to just move along and away from the unmasked person. The exception is if you’re in line at the store and the unmasked person is standing close behind you, which is creepy even without covid. As I said in another post, if that happens to me, they get the hairy eyeball. If the unmasked person is in front of me in line, I just keep my distance.


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I agree that a store employee requesting someone to put on a mask is not a pro-masker Karen. However, a non-employee minding someone's business other than their own, is.

Then we are in total agreement on that point. Woohoo for rational discourse!

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Are you really a Seaplane pilot?
Do you provide lake or land tours?

Thank you.

Business decisions
 

Sounds to me that it is a lose- lose situation for businesses in NH. If they require patrons to wear a mask, do most anti maskers decide to follow the store rules or go elsewhere with their business?

For businesses that do not require masks, non-mask wearers will utilize their services, however many customers who would otherwise have done business with them decide to not shop at those stores.

Which choice would you make if you were the business owner?

Agree. This is spilt 50 50 across the state as those getting vaccinated appear to be between 50/60 percent according to Gov Sununu. At those numbers businesses and customers will be at odds. Interesting dilemma for both parties


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Leave the sign on the door that says masks required but don't enforce it. It's not worth an argument with a customer since it is no longer law.

I think there are more people who will go with the flow than you think. If the business requires masks, the majority of anti-maskers will abide. If they don’t require masks, many mask wearers will go in with a mask, perhaps waiting until the business isn’t crowded. Businesses may still see lower numbers than in 2019, but I think most will see an increase over last year’s sales.

Can someone remind me what phase NH is in? Is social distancing still required in restaurants? I’ve been in Florida for the majority of the pandemic. Requirements vary by county, and since I’m in the Four Corners area (where Lake, Orange, Osceola, and Polk counties meet), the requirements differ amongst places I frequent. Even within the counties, different businesses have different requirements. Few restaurants are social distancing. I do what I am comfortable with by observing what’s going on within each business. At this point, that includes going to and partaking in karaoke. That’s because I am a social creature and need that interaction. What good is a sound body without a sound mind?


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Or losing sales over it

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If I were to own a NH business I would not require masks. The people who want to wear would still be able to wear them

As for people in front of me in line who are mask-wearers, they would not have a perceived problem unless they chose to turn around in the first place. (


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From what I was told by restaurant owners that it's for the protection of the employees. If an employee gets Covid the restaurant has to shut down and be sanitized. which is more costly than losing a few non masking customers.

People behind me in line are pointing directly at the gaps in my mask. What's the problem with maintaining 3 feet of distance? I don't need them to be 6 feet, but if they're within the distance where I might have to take a step back and I bump into them, they're too close.

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How long?
 

Sort of tied to my original post - the vaccine is open now to everyone over 16 I think in NH since 4/2 - about 3 weeks now. (In fact now, people from out of state can get a shot in NH). Of course this will take some time to get to everyone in that BIG group but at some point where those that wanted the vaccine (restaurant workers) and got it has passed - would patrons still need to wear a mask?

Would seem that we should be able to forecast such a date.
What if an employee refuses to get the vaccine - interesting dilemma?

With unemployment around 0% in the hospitality business here in the Lakes Region
I don’t see ones refusal to get vaccinated an issue for maintaining ones employment. As President Clinton use to say “Don’t ask don’t tell”

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Right - so what happens then > an employee refuses to get the vaccine - the business cannot make them (understandably) - is the business still going to mandate masks to protect these employees and in fear of those employees getting sick and impacting the business? Everyone has to wear masks for those that refuse?

If the other employees have been vaccinated, what are they risking? They have been protected with the vaccine. The individual who refused the vaccine is the one taken all the risk

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A basic tenet of employment law is that an employer must treat all employees equally. If only one refuses a vaccine, maybe that's not a big deal. But if a significant number refuse, all of a sudden the employer can no longer just shrug his shoulders.

Plus, even if that one employee is in a high customer contact position, and there are a significant number of unvaccinated customers coming in...

https://www.wmur.com/article/state-h...nated/36192998


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Fair point.

Third option. Government Keeps the mandate to wear a mask.
Business owner follows the law.
non-mask wearers have no issue because they are simply following the law.
And the mask wearers are happy.
A few non maskers will be concerned with their tan lines and not go, but most would go.

Doing what governor did, basically is open season road rage, and causes the lose-lose situation you describe and is exactly the point I was making.
I guarantee it's gonna get ugly now.

This thread is a perfect example.