Sweden
 

Good read about Sweden.



"The death rate in Sweden has now risen significantly higher than many other countries in Europe, reaching more than 21 per 100,000 people, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University, controlled for population."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europ...ntl/index.html

Some very good points in here

After listening to some pretty harsh comments & arguing over reopening or completely shutting down for another two weeks, someone in their right mind wrote this.

Don’t know who wrote it, but it’s spot on.

Perspective:

WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.

For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.

With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.

Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.

Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.

Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.

Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.

Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.

Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.

We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.

Realize that and be kind.

Unknown author

When does it end? How can it?
 

I believe this year in NH we are going to have one hell of a Forth of July celebration!
Let’s all take a few minutes and listen to a great President tell us how we must fight to survive

https://youtu.be/3_QSJyJaeD4


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Korean study showed "re-infection" indicators were caused by fragments of Wuhan coronavirus.

https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200429007051320

What's his agenda? Inquiring minds would like to know.

His agenda is to make sure as few people die from this as possible. Shame on him! :rolleye1:

100K first wave
 

Hoping by the time the second wave comes along we have some form of treatment.

"By the end of the coronavirus’s “first wave” this summer, America will likely have buried close to 100,000 victims of the disease, with as many as 9 million people having become infected, according to Alessandro Vespignani, the director of the Network Science Institute at Northeastern University. The elite research lab, which has gained international notice for its pandemic modeling, also concluded that at least 80,000 to 90,000 Americans will be dead of coronavirus complications by mid-May. "

https://news.yahoo.com/top-coronavir...232144312.html

Glib Spokesman Not the Angel as Portrayed in MSM...
 

If you mean Dr. Fauci, he backed the controversial Wuhan lab with millions of US dollars to conduct risky coronavirus research.

https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-ba...search-1500741

With all the searches you do your screen must light up every morning with conservative propaganda. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I"m basicly conservative by nature, not afraid to admit it. But that last post made me laugh. This whole thread has gotten insane.
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Agree. Me thinks there are many Pizzagate believers on this board.

Update -- reopening in NH
 

From Union Leader and NHBR:


CONCORD — Requiring hairstylists and their customers to wear masks, quarantining clothes after they’re tried on and maintaining existing precautions are expected in the plan Gov. Chris Sununu will present Friday to reopen the state’s businesses in stages while extending the stay-at-home order.
Sununu reviewed guidelines for reopening a broad range of businesses, including restaurants, retail stores, state parks, golf courses, campgrounds and hair salons as he put the finishing touches on the “flex open” plan.
With the changes, Sununu is expected to extend the stay-at-home order set to expire May 4.
The Governor’s Reopening Task Force late Thursday completed more than 12 hours of drafting, discussing and adopting proposals for specific industries.
They also adopted universal guidelines for all New Hampshire employers and employees to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Businesses will be urged to let employees continue to work from home as much as practical, to screen them before they enter the workplace and to have them wear face coverings “while at work and in public.”
D.J. Bettencourt, Sununu’s policy director, said Friday’s announcement will not include a date for reopening Seacoast and state park beaches.
“This is going to be the subject of long-term discussion,” he said.
“Inevitably whatever we do, we will not make 100% of the folks in our state happy, but what we are trying to do is strike the right balance so our citizens are healthy and safe and we are getting our economy moving again,” Bettencourt said.
State Rep. Jeff Salloway, D-Lee, said the task force’s next job will be to create standards to react quickly to a resurgence of the virus.
“We are dealing with wave one of this outbreak,” Salloway said. “There is likely to be a wave two and we face the possibility next fall of a wave three. ”
Haircuts head to top
During two hours of public comment Thursday, licensed cosmetologists dominated the discussion. Most urged Sununu to go beyond the task force’s recommendation to restrict salons to haircuts and routine dying of hair roots.
Janelle Burris, who runs Janelle’s Modern Beauty Salon in Concord, said 75% of her business is custom hair and other treatments such as waxing.
“I feel like those restrictions are only going to benefit big corporate places like Supercuts. It makes me afraid small businesses like myself won’t be able to open back up,” Burris said.
But a commenter named Jenny, who runs a salon out of the bottom floor of her home, said she is worried about opening now.
“I don’t feel salons have to be part of phase one. I have tried to get sanitation materials and not had much success,” Jenny said.
Under the task force’s recommendation, waxing, nail work and tanning would not be permitted.
“It is better we start small and let’s see how it works. We felt like this was a good place to start,” said state Sen. Sharon Carson, R-Londonderry, who led the group working on that sector.
Salon seating would be limited to maintain social distancing, and both the hairstylist and the customer must wear face coverings.
Greg Stone urged Sununu to reopen as much of the economy as possible and balance public health with business health.
“You seem to say nothing is as important as saving lives,” Stone said, addressing the governor with his remarks. “I believe saving our residents and businesses’ economic lives are paramount. I believe they are entwined.
“If our economy is not open very soon, we will face economic and employment challenges the likes of which we have not seen.”
Restaurants and hotels
The guidelines call for restaurants to expand from delivery and curbside pickup in four steps.
The first phase would allow sit-down dining on existing patios, sidewalks or parking spaces close to the business where it can be done safely. Tables of up to six patrons would be permitted.
The second phase would allow inside dining of groups up to 10 people at tables at least six feet apart.
Customers in bars would be spaced at least six feet apart. Catering would be open for parties up to 50 with tables of 10.
At the time of the second phase, hotels could open to the public. Pools and exercise gyms in hotels would be closed, and no congregating would be allowed in the lobby.
The third phase would permit restaurant dining of larger groups. Hotel pools and gyms could reopen with enhanced cleaning, and groups of up to 10 would be allowed in lobbies.
The fourth phase would bring hotel and restaurant practices near to normal with enhanced cleaning and training for staff still in place.
Retail trade
Curbside and delivery of products would remain an option and would be encouraged for “vulnerable populations” reluctant to enter a store to shop.
Owners would be encouraged to set aside special hours for at-risk people to shop.
Reopened stores will have one-way aisles “if possible” and customers would stay six feet apart at the checkout.
All clothing tried on by customers would be put in quarantine for 48 hours before being returned to the sales floor.
Cashiers must wear masks, and plastic dividers would be installed between cashiers and the public where feasible.
State parks and beaches
The Flume in Franconia Notch would be fully open first for online advance ticketing only, with groups of up to six at one time.
Food and beverage sales would be limited to grab-and-go and outdoor seating.
Initially, inland beaches at state parks would be open only for campers, with day users allowed later, said Parks Director Phil Bryce.
Each beach’s capacity would be determined and enforced to ensure social distancing, he said.
State park officials are studying a second, future option at ocean beaches to allow “restricted sitting” on the sand but Bryce said it’s a work in progress.
“We are looking at specific locations or how to figure out reserve spots on the beach so umbrellas aren’t touching each other. There is a lot of details to see whether this is possible,” Bryce said.
“The Seacoast is so complex and it is such an at risk environment that we want to be careful to make sure phase one goes well before moving on.”
Campgrounds
The recommendations call for restrooms to be used by one person at a time.
Private campgrounds could open up rest rooms to wider use if social distancing were possible.
Campers could not have visitors.
Task force members persuaded Bryce to permit shower and laundry services at campgrounds as long as sanitation meets state and federal regulations.
Tent use could be at 50% of campground capacity.
Rep. Ed Butler, D-Hart’s Location, said he supported it.
“I think the issue of having a phase in which we open to a lesser extent is a reassurance for our general population that we are taking steps in the right direction but not open up quickly to everything,” Butler said.
Bryce had proposed RV sites have one open space between them, but the task force changed that to allow all RV spots to be occupied as long as campers practice social distancing.
Sen. Robert Giuda, R-Warren, lobbied for getting rid of having to space RV’s.
“I can be in an RV three feet away from another and I am still six feet away from everybody with two walls in between. The virus doesn’t go through walls,” Giuda said.
“This type of broad brush rule I find counterproductive to getting businesses and reopened and profitable again.”
Golf courses
During the first phase, tee times would be 12 minutes apart to maintain social distancing.
Golfers would bring their own equipment. Clubhouses and locker rooms would be closed except for golfers to use the restroom.
A beer cart could make sales along the course as long as the staffer wore personal protection.
The flag at each hole would be altered so hitting the stick would complete scoring and golfers wouldn’t have to reach into the cup.
In the second phase, pro shops would reopen.
A “halfway house” could open at the midpoint of the course to allow limited food and drink to be picked up, but seating or service would not be available.
The flags would be placed into the hole as normal in this phase, and tee times would be reduced to 10 minutes apart.
Golf instruction and some youth golf activity could open with social distancing.
The third phase would remove many of the restrictions, but in all phases, players would remain in their cars until 15 minutes before teeing off.
The clubhouse could open for groups of not more than 10 and tee times would be eight minutes apart.

Real Examiners Don't Stop Mid-Examination...
 

Consider that a vaccine may never be developed for this man-made virus.

"Debunked", banned outright, or "shadow-banned" by social media, the 4chan hunt ended at a large and troubling bronze statue in their living room. (Too troubling to post a link here).

That above sentence contains more than enough key words for a Google search. Explain the origin of the statue and why Pizzagate remains "debunked".

Astonishingly, the statue is still pictured on the Internet. :eek2:

From the state: "While indoor dining will continue to be prohibited, starting May 18, restaurants will be allowed to open outdoor dining, with tables 6 feet apart and guests limited to six per table."

I like Chris Sununu but have to wonder if 7 or 8 people sat at a table, what is the difference?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...d2c493c82.html

Exactly what I have been saying!

Was listening to the police scanner yesterday for a bit and a Gilford PD officer reported a group of 10-15 Audis gathered in the Gilford Cinema parking lot. Obviously a club out for a drive and stopped here to either take a break or determine the route to take.

Apparently some "were not practicing safe distancing" so the police officer pulled in, talked to them and gave them a warning. Really?

Agree or disagree, I personally find that a monumental waste of a police officer's time.

I wonder if that is now the primary directive for police in NH -- "at all costs, stop people from gathering."

GB

Florida is starting to reopen in phases. Today, restaurants are allowed to have 50% outdoor seating and 25% indoor seating.

There will be a limit of 6 per table--learned this last night while getting take from El Mariachi in Moultonboro. It was excellent!

Also from El Mariachi--they have gated off a section of their parking lot and added picnic tables. You can eat your to-go dinner right there. As of May 18, there will be table service. They are applying for an outdoor liquor license.

Notice the MASK that he is wearing. Not a simple painters mask that we have here. That mask has a filter built into mask.

Funny. But sad. The brand name is 3M. A US company.

He can get a 3M filter in mask. We can't.

3M is a USA company the last I read. And we can't get those 3M masks with inhale filter ???

Masks and Gloves
 

Quick observations on mask and gloves:

We've noticed that there are plenty of people wearing masks with it pulled below their noses - including folks checking you out at most of the local stores.

Also, we see plenty of people wearing gloves -- and touching everything. We watched a man at the Post Office in Lakeport a few days ago (with mask and gloves). While inside the PO his gloves touched the door handle both coming and leaving, his wallet, credit card, credit card processor...and when he entered his car his contaminated gloves touched his door handle, the steering wheel, his keys, his phone and his mask before he removed his gloves. Then he touched his steering wheel and phone without gloves. We had to laugh.

Why bother?

GB

It's no laughing matter: all of our lives are potentially at risk.

Sad that you think watching people flounder while trying to protect themselves and others is funny.

Well. Long before COVID-19 I viewed local grocery store deli counter.
There, they are supposed to put on new gloves for each customer.
A few do. But most leave the same gloves on for a long time - defeating the whole purpose of gloves.

One lady at the local grocery store - she put on new gloves for a deli order.
BUT
She observed a discarded glove on counter. Picked up the used discarded glove and threw the used discarded glove into wastebasket. THEN proceeded to do my order.
Her gloves, although new, were then contaminated by touching the discarded gloves.

Who is in charge of hygiene at the local grocery store ?
Do the folks at these grocery stores receive hygiene food safety training?
And does anyone actually observe them?

We were on the lake both days this weekend. I couldn't believe the number of people out on land. We hit immediate traffic at route 11 and noted it was backed up all the way to Johnsons from the circle.

Tons of bikers at the circle store, and Alton bay was packed as well. It looked like bike week out there!

From a business opening standpoint we have been selling packages to small businesses with face shields and surgical masks and have had tons of orders since Thursday. Its good to see so many taking this seriously.

Speedy Vaccine Development for CCP-Virus...Oxford of UK...
 

The highly-touted Oxford vaccine is expected this Autumn. It will NOT replace the regular flu vaccine.

https://news.yahoo.com/oxford-scient...172827584.html..

Sorry, I did not answer sooner.

Yes, if any Covid-19 virus vaccine does not work we are in trouble. The good news is; even though coronaviruses, including the one we are dealing with, do mutate, this is usually not a problem.Emphasize usually. Flu viruses also mutate but the problems with the flu viruses are that the protective vaccine immune reaction only lasts roughly six months. Also there are multiple different flu viruses and the vaccine companies have to “guess” which ones to make each year.

There is too much we do NOT know about Covid-19. It is more likely to recur in the fall than not, but nobody really knows

It is also unlikely a Covid vaccine will be ready for the fall. But one can hope.

Reopening too soon?
 

I guess there is no winning. We cannot stay closed until we have a vaccine but the death toll looks like it will continue to climb if we do not.

"A key model of the coronavirus pandemic favored by the White House nearly doubled its prediction Monday for how many people will die from the virus in the U.S. by August – primarily because states are reopening too soon.

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington’s School of Medicine is now projecting 134,000 coronavirus-related fatalities, up from a previous prediction of 72,000. Factoring in the scientists’ margin of error, the new prediction ranges from 95,000 to 243,000."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-234377

Majority oppose reopening restaurants, retail stores...
 

Given all the protests I was thinking most were in a rush to reopen. Guess not.

"Americans clearly oppose the reopening of restaurants, retail stores and other businesses, even as governors begin to lift restrictions that have kept the economy locked down in an effort to combat the coronavirus pandemic, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.
The opposition expressed by sizable majorities of Americans reflects other cautions and concerns revealed in the survey, including continuing fears among most people that they could become infected by the coronavirus, as well as a belief that the worst of the medical crisis is not yet over."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...a5f_story.html

A somewhat worrying addendum to the above.

A new story in the LA Times discussing some new information about the mutating virus which may be a problem.

https://apple.news/APYLRcU6BTgKHfFbdTbWscw

If a man or woman made the virus, then another can make a vaccine.

Probaly shouldn't have said "laugh"...
 

But if you don't get the meaning of this post- you are part of the problem (and a danger to yourself and family!).

He wasn't floundering by any means. He was simply doing what he was told would protect him and others -- except they (meaning the Governor and local and national media) failed to include what NOT to do every time they drove home "wear and mask and gloves." THAT was what we were laughing about -- how people still don't know what NOT to do.

It’s not Ebola folks. If you feel unsafe stay home.


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Note: YouTube sensors yanked this video tidbit. Gone.

Or maybe the authors took it down. Who knows.

Best perspective I’ve seen yet
 

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.

https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

The Answer Should Be Enraging...
 

Peter Navarro explained last week:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...rding_ppe.html

Part of the problem is defining re-opening. I believe that most of us that talk about re-opening believe that we need to ease thoughtfully.

Hope and Mutation...
 

Maybe.

Among human-to-human transmissible diseases, Ebola and HIV still have no vaccines.

Poking around some serious UK studies, I found this quote:

:(

On scanning the credits, one study was found titled, "Looking for Darwin in All the Wrong Places". :laugh:

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."

LINK

Look like USA has decided to let this play out
 

I guess we cannot stay closed forever so I understand the need to reopen. Still I wonder how many of us will die as a result of this decision. Both choices are fraught with disaster. Thank you China for being open, transparent hand helping the world avoid this. NOT!

"As nearly half of U.S. states begin to ease restrictions that were put in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is quietly projecting a stark rise in the number of new cases of the virus and deaths from it over the next month.

Modeling from the CDC, incorporated into a chart prepared by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and circulated within the administration, was obtained by the New York Times. It projects 200,000 new daily cases of the coronavirus by the end of May and 3,000 daily deaths in the U.S. At present, approximately 25,000 new cases are reported each day, with roughly 1,750 deaths."

https://news.yahoo.com/as-states-pus...182250157.html

So what? Doesn't make it incorrect. And who checks Media Bias Fact Check for bias? Someone has to watch the watchers.

I'm sure somewhere in the mix even CNN has an accurate story posted, you can't discount everything you don't like.