Dive
 

Really glad this monstrosity is moored on the SW side of the lake. Honestly, too bad it's so popular. It's an eyesore and does nothing to enhance the lake Winni experience.

Too each his own you said it, it’s very popular so not an eyesore to everyone.


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Not everyone has to look at it, just those it parks in front of.

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rsmip; Are you trying to say that it's becoming a little too much like Hampton Beach?

It is certainly enhancing the experience of those that frequent it.

This thread has obviously drawn a lot of interest on both sides. It would be interesting for someone to start a poll, for and against.

A poll like that on this forum would mean absolutely nothing. It is quite obvious based on the amount of people that frequent the dive (its packed every day and night at the pier, not to mention at the sandbars) that anyone against it would by FAR be in the minority. Go on their facebook page and look at the support they have.

The person that is complaining bought a home directly next to the pier in the weirs which is zoned commercial...did they really expect serenity??

The pier and the dive did absolutely nothing wrong and the town approved everything as being per their code. There is no argument here whatsoever. They have the right to run their business in a commercial area as they see fit as long as no noise ordinances or other town laws are broken.

In my opinion the Dive has added a lot of visitors to the Weirs. It is where it should be and I cannot think of a better place for it. They will be and have been very successful thus far in that location and I wish them well!

Dan

I think a better place for it would be in front of your home. :D

Biggd..... Just more NIMBY attitude!

Woodsy

Yes but if it legally docked, as it is, there is nothing they can really do about it. Keep in mind the pier and its entertainment activity have been there for over 70 years so they knew what they were getting into when they purchased their property

Dan, stop being so logical!! I have not been to the Dive, but will at some point soon.

Agreed on the legality, but I wonder if there'd be a better setup orientation so's it wouldn't interfere with the homes nearby.

Like I've said before, I don't have an issue with the Dive, I have an issue with the Dive impacting people's access/use of public property.

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I guess I was smart not to buy a home abutting a commercial zoned property in the busiest area of the lake sandwiched between multiple live music bars and an arcade!! This is not rocket science! ..;);););)

Dan

I have no skin in the game. I'm not on Winni but I can understand why people don't want to look at that out their front window, where ever it's parked.
It's never going to block my view but that doesn't mean I have no right to an opinion on the matter.

Yes you where, but I still think it would look better in front of your property, JMO!

I did not mean to suggest Winnisquam (or Waukewan) is not as good, only that it is not really comparable in that the pluses and minuses of each are so different. Some folks like size, some like quaintness; it's all good.

Totally agree. And yes, I think it does bring a Hampton/Weirs beach vibe here to its location. Not something I personally like. Hence, why I'm happy to have it not near us.

You seem to equate the law with being a good neighbor, these are separate things. No one has said they aren't following the law, only that they are a lousy neighbor. Even many of your posts imply this when you say things like "as long as they don't go to the same place every day..."

As to "not much you can do about it", Mr Florida seems to be doing something, or the Dive would not have set up petition

Who says they are a lousy neighbor? Just one person.

The Dive took the mooring space that they were given by East Coast Flightcraft and the city.

My reference is to mooring in coves for rafting in purely residential areas that are "NOT" commercially zoned areas which is not the case where they dock nightly and keep in mind not only are they in that location but many other bars and restaurants that play music and have a tremendous amount of night activity especially on the weekends this is just the type of area the Weirs Boardwalk is, again they purchased is this neighborhood and should expect this type of activity.

Here's Your Poll
 

In less than 20 hours they already have over 2000 signatures on their petition in support... :eek::eek::eek:

Just a point of information: The city of Laconia does not approve or enforce anything on the water. It is up to the state.

The Laconia Sun reported “After the busy 4th of July weekend, water testing at Ellacoya State Park showed fecal bacteria at levels beyond state standards, making the area unsuitable for wading or swimming, the state Department of Environmental Services said Tuesday.”

Does anyone know if the State conducts bacterial testing in Braun Bay and Smalls Cove when they are mobbed with people who come for the day with no rest room facilities? Water circulation moves that “stuff” somewhere in the lake. It is good that the Dive has facilities, but it can not possibly take care of The “crowds” of people they are reportedly drawing to the sand bars.

Maybe the town of Moultonborough and town of Alton would agree to pay the $270-each for the NH-DES to test the waters at the Braun Bay sandbar area, and West Alton sandbar area on a monthly basis during the summer months, similar to a swim beach? Perhaps DES could catch a boat ride from the Marine Patrol or probably someone could volunteer a boat ride for DES testing to get the tester, out there and back.

Here's a great idea ..... just have the DES tester person spend the whole day on board The Dive, for a round trip visit moving along at 4-mph, out and back ..... strictly for testing purposes.

What's that floatin' in the water???
 

Looks like a Baby Ruth! Yummmm...

Interesting...so the pier does not have to answer to the city on how their property, dock space in this matter, gets rented out? Would the city not collect taxes on the revenue generated by the rental space?

Thanks for the info!

Dan

:D:D:D:D Your not talking about something like this are you. :liplick::liplick:

Classic..

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Actually fake news / trick photography. Not that it really matters unless you encounter one. Kids Prove Baby Ruth! not a floater :liplick::liplick:

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Speaking of __it or should I say water quality, how about $270 from you after you feed the geese and ducks with your famous boxes of Cheez-It's and they can test the water around your place. As mentioned Strictly for testing purposes.

.....is just one goose, named Canada, who has shown up for the last six years from last week of March thru first week of May ..... while he lounges about, keeping one eye on his nesting mate ..... she sits on the nest about 150-yds away on Horse Island.

Canada tells me he likes the Cheez-it originals in the $4-family box from Walmart, best!

Whenever any foreign geese get within 200-yards of Horse Island, Canada goes into high alert, starts honking, and goes into fighter air attack mode and shoos away the incoming goose or geese .... he is all powered up by Cheez-its original .... which will float .... and can be tossed 40-feet like a Frisbee.

Correct. The city cannot tell them who they can rent to. The pier is privately owned and that is a decision of the owner.

No, the city does not have a tax specifically for "rental space". Of course, that rental income would be considered part of the value of the property and reflected in the assessment for real estate tax purposes.

I have commercial property and docks on the lake and the decision of who I rent to is totally up to me. The only tax I pay, other than real estate taxes on the property, is the income tax on the revenue generated by the rentals. That tax goes to the Federal Government, not to the state or the city. There is no city income tax. (This is not New York) :)

Close it
 

The mis-information and off topic posts on this thread are embarrassing. A little restraint, please. Try to be positive. Lets's all just enjoy Lake Winnipesaukee and the forum. Remember, you'll want to shake hands and hug these folks at the next ForumFest.

The Channel
 

The dive would look good in the channel at one of your docks :)

It just amazes me that 271 posts into this thread the same OLD people are continuing to find cause (ugly, expensive, bad neighbor, not sea worthy- despite coast Guard approvals, so on & so on snipes by the same "armchair experts") why the Dive should not be on the Lake.

Why not embrace it . It is simply another "attraction" to our Seasonal business...….if you do not personally like it - simply don't go! If the sight of it at a sand bar bothers you - find another! ONE property owner at Weirs has an issue -- we'll see how that turns out.


Clearly - being into their second Season of operation with 2,000+ petition supporters in just one day and appears over 5,600 supporters on Facebook they are doing something right for one fairly large segment of the "market" !

I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members.

AMEN Phantom! This is really comical to see some of these ridiculous comments! Water testing at the sand bar, just because the DIVE is there? Typical smoke and mirrors arguments from the same cry babies.

To your other point "I cannot recall another thread that has SO MUCH negativity consistently thrown in by such a small circle of members." I can...but won't bring up the taboo subject....

I think you've got it backwards. The Dive isn't drawing crowds to the sand bar, the sand bar crowd is drawing The Dive.

That petition (for whatever good having a petition is) is closing in on 2,500 signatures in a few days, not that bad.

Exactly, but don't forget that those 2,500 aren't affected by the Dive's presence--they get to leave. Ask how many people want the ice cream truck anchoring in front of their homes.

I will say that I'm appreciative that we can head to WA sandbar sans Dive most days. The good neighbor metaphor is apt.

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LET'S be CLEAR --- --- the Dive was nowhere (relatively) near the State Park over the 4th weekend … in addition -- the Dive event was NOT open to the public -- it was a "shore" party for Lake Shore Residents and they boarded by the "Big Pier" (no boats, no sand bar event)………………. as stated in my other post -- just another lame accusation towards the Dive....

and no -- I have no vested interest … in fact, I have indeed been aboard, but personally would not go back unless I was taking guests for the novelty experience.

Great post!!! just one small correction, the Dive was in Brain Bay on the 4th.


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You missed the point.... nobody said the Dive was anywhere near Ellacoya on July 4. Each opposing side of this forum (aka debate) will believe what they want to believe. There are lovers and haters of the Dive and this forum will only reinforce this, but it is fun to read:)

A petition, whether pro or anti-Dive, will have the legal significance of a burst of flatulence in a hurricane.

Just sayin'.

Spent half my time at WAM sandbar today keeping unattended boats with ineffective anchors from banging into my, and other, boats.

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