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TiltonBB 06-02-2020 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Major (Post 335989)
It appears that we have our answer. It ends with looting and rioting by thugs. However, there is a bright spot. They didn't seem too concerned about wearing masks or social distancing. Looks like we're in the clear of the dreaded Chinese coronavirus.

Another bright spot is that I'm looking to get my share of free high end items when I go to Boston tomorrow for work. Specifically, I'm thinking of picking up a free Louis Vuitton bag for my wife. I saw nice young men taking armful loads of them from the store, so I'm sure they won't mind if I grab one.

If you are checking the looted stores, there should be plenty of work boots left behind too. For some reason they didn't take them.

Top-Water 06-02-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 336132)
If you are checking the looted stores, there should be plenty of work boots left behind too. For some reason they didn't take them.

:):) That made me smile.

TiltonBB 06-02-2020 10:17 PM

If you were killed what store would you want looted in your honor? (Asking for a friend)

FlyingScot 06-03-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gravy boat (Post 336122)
Agree. I don't think there will be as many as people think. On a similar note, has anybody seen the numbers of how many were infected and died from the Spring Breakers who went to Miami? I've seen zero but may have not looked in the right place... I recall we were told by government many citizens that a mass infection and deaths will results from the Spring Breakers' selfishness.

Spring Break analysis is going to be really tough because any people who were infected were then dispersed nationwide, so the data will show up across many geographies and thus be diluted. But Mardi Gras data and analysis show a definite impact on Louisiana.

https://www.wwno.org/post/cdc-report...vents-february

kawishiwi 06-03-2020 05:41 PM

Swedish regret...
 
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Originally Posted by Grant (Post 336088)
I think a real tell-tale litmus test of the validity of continuing the lockdowns will come in the coming days, when we see if all this urban protesting results in "spikes" in infection. They say ~80% of cases manifest within 3-7 days of exposure, and there were THOUSANDS of people (many without masks, etc.) in the streets in close close proximity. If there are no spikes in new cases in Minneapolis, D.C., Philly, New York, etc., then it's probably safe to go to the beach, etc. Just a thought. Convince me I'm wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...anders-tegnell

ApS 06-03-2020 09:18 PM

"Gain of Function" is Key to Lethality...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gravy boat (Post 336122)
Agree. I don't think there will be as many as people think. On a similar note, has anybody seen the numbers of how many were infected and died from the Spring Breakers who went to Miami? I've seen zero but may have not looked in the right place... I recall we were told by government many citizens that a mass infection and deaths will results from the Spring Breakers' selfishness.

1) Business Insider shows Spring Breakers' cellphones being tracked back to their home locales.

https://i.insider.com/5e7e029d92e191...00&format=jpeg

2) Last week, it was observed that if New York (alone) was a sovereign country, New York would be the in the same highly-diseased spot as recorded for the entire USA.

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 336183)

3) At least Sweden hasn't "totaled" their economy, although they probably regret accepting the greatest share of "Libyan" immigrants among all the Scandinavian countries.

4) This cartoon was probably intended for those who think otherwise:

https://www.bigpinekey.com/wp-conten...no-300x200.jpg

ishoot308 06-04-2020 01:22 PM

Some Good News
 
https://www.foxnews.com/health/no-ne...s-pool-parties

Dan

Biggd 06-04-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308 (Post 336204)

Must be "the lake effect". :laugh:

ishoot308 06-04-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggd (Post 336205)
Must be "the lake effect". :laugh:

Probably all the pee in the lake disinfected everyone!! Braun bay should be good to go also!! :D

Dan

Hillcountry 06-04-2020 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308 (Post 336212)
Probably all the pee in the lake disinfected everyone!! Braun bay should be good to go also!! :D

Dan

Lol...Dan, I believe that would be the “toilet effect”
Someone should go snorkeling there with some kind of test kit...

Jersey Bob 06-04-2020 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry (Post 336217)
Lol...Dan, I believe that would be the “toilet effect”
Someone should go snorkeling there with some kind of test kit...

Sounds like you are volunteering!

Hillcountry 06-04-2020 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Bob (Post 336222)
Sounds like you are volunteering!

Nope, not me! :D

ApS 06-25-2020 02:50 AM

One Analyst's Perception:
 
This analyst, who has recorded every piece of Covid-19 data (worldwide, and US county-by-county) has come to today's conclusions:
Sweden and the rest of Europe is doing poorly, but even "successful" Denmark hasn't conquered the disease.

The author continues:

There’s only one thing I mind about elevated testing.

Test all you want, but if you uncover twice as many positives by testing twice as much as usual, be sure to disclose that. Don’t blame it on the spread of the disease.

If you find elevated positive testing percentages, be sure to disclose that as well.

If we look back at the immediate skyrocketing of the disease up until we sheltered in place, it’s crystal clear the sheltering in place really slowed the disease.

I had hoped we would see folks be careful about taking precautions after us all having to be in the home for several months. Then the braintrusts got out there and refused to social distance and wear masks.


Well, here we are. Most of the benefits of sheltering in place are going to be unraveled now in short order.

I also expected some increase in the disease after we opened up, but we’re headed toward doubling the numbers in about a week and a half.

You almost have to work at it to do that much damage
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thinkxingu 06-25-2020 06:34 AM

As I see it:
1. Virus is a thing.
2. Quarantine to "flatten the curve."
3. New information = virus spread can be kept in check if socially distant/wear mask/wash hands and sanitize/don't touch, or sneeze in, faces.
4. Some states: "let's open intelligently and with guidelines." Other states: "screw that ish, I need to parrrr-tayyyy!"
5. Some states: "Our Covid numbers have plummeted." Other states: "Our Covid numbers have skyrocketed."

Weird.

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rsmlp 06-25-2020 07:12 AM

Covid and The Lakes Region
 
To date, The lakes region has largely escaped Covid cases but as we're seeing in many places especially TX, CA, FL an AZ, cases are exploding to new highs. We do NOT want that in around here. THE simplest way to avoid that is distance and masks. Period. And please save me the nonsense about Dr "fraud". Science and facts are had to argue with. If you're inside a public place please wear a mask or avoid that public place.

Unfortunately it looks like a second wave (first for many) and we don't want to participate!!

Pricestavern 06-25-2020 10:41 AM

Just wear a mask
 
As Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) put it: "...everyone should just wear a damn mask"

thinkxingu 06-25-2020 11:15 AM

MA DESE just released "guidelines" (not requirements) for returning to school in fall. Rough summary: 3' minimum distance, masks for grade 2+ and adults, avoid mixing groups as much as possible (lunch in room/classes stay together), no maximum group size.

Interesting start...

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dickiej 06-25-2020 04:41 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

gravy boat 06-25-2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dickiej (Post 337460)
I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

What do the psych profiles say? Are you will to share details? I'd be interested, since you brought it up...

thinkxingu 06-26-2020 12:44 PM

Looks like things are going well in Florida.

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Susie Cougar 06-26-2020 01:05 PM

Yes, think. Florida had over 9000 cases yesterday. The numbers went from 2000 people a day to 3000 to 5000 and now we’re almost at 10,000 people a day. Almost 15% of people being tested now are positive. The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31. When the bars and restaurants opened up, young people saw it as a green light. Also, they hit the gyms and were not wearing masks because the governor won’t make it a requirement. Many cities are now requiring masks and people are fighting back. I don’t see how this can ever end.

gillygirl 06-26-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Susie Cougar (Post 337504)
Yes, think. Florida had over 9000 cases yesterday. The numbers went from 2000 people a day to 3000 to 5000 and now we’re almost at 10,000 people a day. Almost 15% of people being tested now are positive. The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31. When the bars and restaurants opened up, young people saw it as a green light. Also, they hit the gyms and were not wearing masks because the governor won’t make it a requirement. Many cities are now requiring masks and people are fighting back. I don’t see how this can ever end.

Bars closed in Florida immediately due to the 8900 new cases reported today.


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Biggd 06-26-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 337501)
Looks like things are going well in Florida.

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And Texas.

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WinnisquamZ 06-26-2020 02:08 PM

Restaurants remain open at 50% capacity just the bar areas of each state will close. As the governor said yesterday here in NH we have very few “bars”. With hotels and campgrounds opening at 100% how does do restaurants handle the extra capacity issues.


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gravy boat 06-26-2020 02:42 PM

My guess is takeout or people have to wait in line for an open air table. Or people continue to cook at home or around the campfire. Those in motel/hotel will have to do the takeout thing, I guess.

Susie Cougar -- "The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31." Does that mean they are under medical care or only tested positive?

Susie Cougar 06-26-2020 03:01 PM

From what I understand, and the news is changing constantly, many people are testing positive and are asymptomatic. Also, although younger people are being hospitalized, they are not needing the extreme care that the older patients do, such as ventilators. There does seem to be a real threat, however, that we will have a shortage of hospital beds by the middle of July if this trend continues.

Seaplane Pilot 06-26-2020 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dickiej (Post 337460)
I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

bigdog 06-26-2020 03:56 PM

Covit update traveling down the NE I95 corridor
 
Just returned from 12 day trip to Hilton Head Island, and noticed the following when traveling North through the States.....

S Caroline
Has shown an uptick in Covit cases, however, restaurants have inside seating, beaches are open, and of course, everyone is playing golf ! Lot's of folks are out and about, even went to a HUGE Tanger Outlet while there with tons of people shopping, you’d think it was Christmas ! Most folks are wearing masks. What is amusing, you see them wearing masks while driving !
Seriously ??? :)

N Carolina
Most folks still wearing masks, and was told by total strangers, when out and about to wear one ! Those folks were senior citizens, of which I am a member.

Virginia-Maryland
Folks still wearing masks, per Governors order.
Some places I went, they wouldn't let you inside w/o wearing a mask.
Those folks are still in modified ‘lock down’, some restaurants open with seating, some only take-out, Hotels are not serving any food, only bagged food by hotels, swimming pools closed.
The way they described it to me is their Gov. is slowly relaxing restrictions.

NY and Conn the worse… no surprise there !!!!!
Restaurants, only take-out food, even then, when I did, someone would come to the door, take your money, then shove your bagged order at you, then immediately close the door. Gov. Coumo has those folks locked-down tight and from what folks there have told me, he’s going to keep it that way indefinitely !

Glad to be home again, I guess we have it pretty better than most States !

FlyingScot 06-26-2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot (Post 337517)
BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

Funny, while you're telling him his post is BS, you're paraphrasing the first half of his post. Maybe you'll concede he's half right?

Bigstan 06-26-2020 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 337520)
Funny, while you're telling him his post is BS, you're paraphrasing the first half of his post. Maybe you'll concede he's half right?

Paraphrasing how ? Noone mentioned the government. At this point I would call it not caving to peer pressure. You can try and bully us all you want, a lot of us aren't buying.

Susie Cougar 06-26-2020 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot (Post 337517)
BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

Seaplane Pilot, if so many people are testing positive and have no symptoms whatsoever, why won’t you wear a mask to protect others when you may be asymptomatic as well?
I went out to the dentist for the first time since the end of February. My son brought me in the car with all the windows down and he was wearing a mask. When I went into the dentist, I put on my mask, and I wore it in the car on the ride back to protect my son. It was not an issue at all for me.

FlyingScot 06-26-2020 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigstan (Post 337522)
Paraphrasing how ? Noone mentioned the government. At this point I would call it not caving to peer pressure. You can try and bully us all you want, a lot of us aren't buying.

I'm not trying to bully anyone, and certainly would not expect to be able to bully SP. I hope to persuade people to wear masks and also to illustrate the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in certain posts.

To answer your question about paraphrasing--Dickie wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do".

To which SP replied along the lines of : "I'm a man not a sheep." By that he meant he's not going to let anybody (such as the government) tell him what to do. This would be paraphrasing half of Dickie's post, right?

But SP's a big boy and a forceful advocate for his position. I'm sure he'll let us know if I've misunderstood his use of "sheep"

Mr. V 06-26-2020 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot (Post 337517)
BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

Seaplane Pilot 06-26-2020 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. V (Post 337531)
We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

When wearing a mask becomes a LAW, then I’ll consider it. But not until.

Biggd 06-26-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot (Post 337517)
BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

I bet you have lots of mirrors in your house so you can admire yourself every chance you get. [emoji23]

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Jdarby 06-26-2020 08:12 PM

So a man doesn’t wear a mask? He stares the virus in the face and shows it who’s boss....no fear?! Do you play chicken on train tracks too? Of course getting the virus isn’t certain death like getting hit by a train so probably not. Roll the dice....like a man! Vegas was built on losing. God speed!


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Bigstan 06-26-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 337525)
I'm not trying to bully anyone, and certainly would not expect to be able to bully SP. I hope to persuade people to wear masks and also to illustrate the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in certain posts.

To answer your question about paraphrasing--Dickie wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do".

To which SP replied along the lines of : "I'm a man not a sheep." By that he meant he's not going to let anybody (such as the government) tell him what to do. This would be paraphrasing half of Dickie's post, right?

But SP's a big boy and a forceful advocate for his position. I'm sure he'll let us know if I've misunderstood his use of "sheep"

I interpreted it my way - the government is not ‘telling’ me to wear one, it’s people such as those here that are saying do it or you don’t care or words to that effect. I’m not a sheep that will go along with that either, but by all means let him clarify his interpretation.

thinkxingu 06-26-2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdarby (Post 337537)
So a man doesn’t wear a mask? He stares the virus in the face and shows it who’s boss....no fear?! Do you play chicken on train tracks too? Of course getting the virus isn’t certain death like getting hit by a train so probably not. Roll the dice....like a man! Vegas was built on losing. God speed!


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The difference is in endangering your own life vs. that of others.

In your train analogy, would you have a problem if passengers were hurt because someone played chicken? I certainly would.

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ApS 06-26-2020 08:31 PM

Value of Masks—In Pictures...
 
In Europe, similar images to the below expresses the value of wearing masks, and is commonly seen:

http://www.bhsj.org/uploads/ckeditor...ent_masks3.png

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Originally Posted by Mr. V (Post 337531)
We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

That's easy to see by the "citizens" boat, and how it's operated. :rolleye2:

Jdarby 06-26-2020 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 337540)
The difference is in endangering your own life vs. that of others.

In your train analogy, would you have a problem if passengers were hurt because someone played chicken? I certainly would.

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As would I. Believe me, I totally get it. I work in healthcare and can bear witness to the reality of the pandemic. The reality that some people think is apparently a hoax or just some political game.


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