1. !!!, hmm, the more exclamation points you use don't actually affect the strength of your argument.
2. 12 million signatures wouldn't change my opinion of the dive.
3. There might be "not one thing you (I) can do" but how does that matter. Whats your point?
4. Do you know the definition of arrogant? Please explain how you feel I am arrogant.
5. Why are you SO ANGRY about this?

I am not angry about this at all just voicing my position as you are and I am not trying to change your mind we are all entitled to our own opinion.

Does your analogy also include the folks that have supported the dive that have no access to the lake?

Arrogance
 

I think Kawishiwi is spot on with his arrogance comment. Dive owner felt he could pull up to Alton town docks and take on passengers without any permit, permission or discussion with the town. Early on last summer when The Dive started up some posters voiced their concern on The Dive FB page. Merriam responded that his family/he contributed greatly for building the lake into the attraction it is today, essentially saying I can do what I want because of my family contribution. Interesting that post was deleted shortly after posting it. Not sure who the Merriams are. We all know who the Irwins are. Love them or hate them the Irwins are more responsible than any other family for the attraction the lake is today. It seems as if Merriam thought he could build a barge and did not plan out how or where he could conduct his business. Just ask for forgiveness later if some one complains.

Interesting post. While I'm not expressing an opinion about the Irwins, what have they done, other than run a for profit business selling boats, to make the lake "the attraction the lake is today"?

Analogy?
 

What "analogy" are you referencing?

No need to repeat your vulgar comments. You made it clear you don't like the dive. I'm guessing you feel the same about the Mount Washington. (No further comments on this subject.)

Is that "arrogance" or "ignorance?"

If the owners KNEW they couldn't do it legally yet tried, then yeah, it's arrogance.

If they didn't know (and didn't check beforehand) than I submit it is ignorance.

Way adrift but
 

Running a successful business for 100 years and providing 100';s of jobs is an acceptable answer, and stands on its own, but there's more.
The Irwins don't just sell bots. Jim Irwin Sr, as a musician, came to Laconia and built several businesses and promoted them outside the area to bring tourists that benefitted the region. He built and ran Irwin's Winnipesaukee Gardens, the boardwalk, The Miss Winnipesaukee Speedboats…the list goes on. One popular spot on the Boardwalk used to be a BINGO hall; proceeds all went to charity. Of course, Jim Sr. was a leader of the group that brought the Chateguay to Lake Winnipesaukee when the old Mount burned in 1939. Later, Jim Jr. and Jack organized many events at the Weirs that brought people and business to the region. One that sticks in my mind was safe boating week run in conjunction with the Boston Herald Traveler for many years. As President of the Marine Trades Association he invited the ENTIRE NH Legislature to spend a day on the lake with their families, and recruited boat owners to host them and take them to various places around the lake, wherever they wanted to go. A huge undertaking in my mind.
Yes, partially business related, but helping all businesses in the area with promotions builds the region, not just Irwin Marine. BTW, I think thew Irwins were involved along with the Lavallees, in getting the beach at the Weirs built, and renaming the area from the Weirs to "Weirs Beach".

Descant, I agree with most everything you have posted about the ancient history of the family. Most of what you posted occurred a minimum of 40 years ago and much of it was 50 - 60 years ago. No doubt, back in their day, they contributed to the growth of the area and substantially grew their business and profits.

What has the current generation done other than sell boats? None of the many things you posted makes the lake the "attraction it is today" That is my point.

Yes, many years ago there was a dance hall with bands in the Pier but the current structure is an eyesore, structurally declining, and one of the reasons keeping the Weirs area from substantial improvements.

Who would invest in a new structure or substantial capital improvements in Weirs Beach with the Pier in the middle of their investment?

Look forward, not backwards.

The irwins still help the area greatly. Employ many etc. This is a fact. What have you done? Easy go pass judgment from a keyboard.

The only thing I would say about the pier structure currently is that East Coast Flight Craft has invest significantly in the pier and plans are to close Anthony’s after the season and the building will go through a major renovation project.


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“None of the many things you posted makes the lake the “attraction it is today””

The Mount doesn’t make a difference? What the Irwin’s did 40, 50, 60 years ago absolutely shaped the lake and what it is today. People didn’t all of a sudden wake up in the 80’s and 90’s and say “hey let’s start vacationing at Winnipesaukee.” They came because people like the Irwin’s. Made it an attraction for their family & friends who probably brought their friends to see the beautiful lake. The “attraction it is today” is just the natural progression from the attraction it was then.


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Way to hijack a thread
 

This thread was about The Dive, not the Irwin’s

Let’s face it, some like The Dive, others do not.

Personally I feel it’s a NH small business that should be left alone to operate his business within the law to whatever success he can muster

If you are going to state something as a fact, make sure your facts are correct. In this case you are not. The Irwin's are not running the operation anymore, and have not been in charge for many years.

What have I done? I have invested millions in multiple commercial and residential properties in the Weirs Beach area and spent a substantial amount of money to improve them. It is for that reason that I hope to see the area improve.

Bingo.

"Live Free, Or Die!"

Words to live by, eh?

What I feel about the Mount has no bearing on my opinion of the dive. Nice try trying to muddy the water and make some obscure charge about something you have no knowledge of to...to...to somehow suggest I must be a miscreant cause I must hate the mount, motherhood & apple pie? I used the word 'crap' and you were offended? Really? I am so sorry I offended your sensitive sensibilities with the word 'crap'. Oh crap, I did it again!
You are correct sir, I don't like the dive. Just exactly why are you so bothered by that?

I know this post may not be popular with some. The Dive like it or not is a licensed NH business. Nothing at all will be done this year and perhaps license requirement changes may affect how they operate in the future. They were approved by all authorities to operate where they are and thats it.

The Dive was spotted in Manchester!!
 

Saw this and thought it was pretty funny.

HA-HA-HA!!!

I know my very first post on this forum wasn't at all popular because I listed the "entertainment value" as just one of my reasons for liking it- no one said welcome to the forum, and that's OK.

At the risk of sounding redundant- this thread just makes me feel better!

HA-HA-HA!!! (Sorry, don't know how to add imoges)

Ummm....
Welcome to 5 years ago.... ^5

Welcome to the forums :confused:

A well balanced article
 

Not sure how we missed this before (or maybe I'm the only one who missed it, haha)--great piece in the LDS:

On whether the owners and neighbors are each being reasonable: The owners of a bar have Jimmy Buffet on at low volume until 9 or 10pm--sounds very reasonable to me. The neighbors don't like music drifting every night from a bar that is only 100' from their homes--sounds very reasonable to me.

On whether this is legal (and therefore should be allowed regardless of complaints): The Planning Board must approve for them to continue beyond Sep 3, and the Board may consider neighbors' concerns. So they're legal today, but maybe not tomorrow.

If only our tirades were so well balanced

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...b2d7a083b.html

It was posted and discussed with a link to the July 26th LDS article in post 308.

Thank you! Even this is entertaining- in a nice way!:D

Curiosity got the better of me.
 

I finally decided to go check out the dive today. Unfortunately I was not able to. It appears that they overlooked the impact water would have on the deck. They constructed it using particleboard and consequently are close down this week to replace it.

Wow! Doesn't sound like an experienced "engineer" to me...man, a deck should be a marine grade plywood...no brainer.

According to their Facebook page they are closed today and tomorrow, reopening Friday

Poor construction (closed due to water in non-marine grade materials)... poor captain (Smith Point crash) poor business plan. Sounds like a match made in heaven�� maybe the owner should have stayed with his trampoline

First of all the "crash" was not a crash the Dive saw seeking safe harbor during a storm, yes they did not anticipate water on the deck but you cannot call it a bad business plan when the Dive is packed every time it ventures to a sandbar and their evening events and charters are always sold out.

Yes some kinks to work out, remember it has not even been open for a full season yet and based on attendance I think they are moving in the right direction

From my understanding; it takes three years to determine a restaurant’s chances. The first year can be very busy with the curious and adventurous people. The second year is when we learn if word of mouth is on their side. The third year is when we find out if they’ve created a loyal clientele. If we make any call before that we have about the same chance as a New Hampshire weather forecaster.

Fake news!

While Carrying an Excavator...
 

A barge goes by here in Winter Harbor, nearly every day. It is pushed by a separate "tug" powered by a pair of Yamaha outboards. Not only is it quiet, it's amazingly fast, leaves a small wake, and pushes an impressive bow wave!

Where-o-where?
 

Two times last week, we saw the Dive heading towards Braun Bay, coming from the northwest beyond Bear Island. Curious where she has been during the night. She moves right along for her size. 🐻

Barney -

Every night the Dive returns to the Weirs Dock.

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Hmmm - did I have a typo?

I see Don already corrected whatever it was, thanks Don !

quote... if and when Flightcraft (landlord) seeks approval for their required amended site plan with the https://www.laconianh.gov/469/Planning-Board on September 3? ... quote

Well ..... today is Sept 4, so anyone know what happened, if anything, at last night's Sept 3 Laconia Planning Board meeting?

Also before the Board is changing the Colonial Theatre from "Ownership" to "Condominium"

The Dive was not on the agenda and was not discussed.

"Planning Director Dean Trefethen said The Dive can continue its present operations at the pier in the short term and before the Sept 3 Planning Board meeting. That's when the issue will be taken up if the owner of the pier, East Coast Flightcraft desides to continue to host The Dive."

Quote from July 27 LaDaSun report ..... see link to 'an article' at top of my old post #308

Oh well ........ who knows ....... and who really gives a puh-tootie?