The NH Boat Show...
 

...is where I'll be ordering my 2020 Sea-Doo GTX 170! Hahahaha!!! Bazinga!

But seriously, who's going and is there a better day than another to connect with DaSilva's? I was thinking Saturday, but I'd like to have time to ask questions and play with the machines without feeling rushed. I've only ever been to the show once before some years back and can't remember how busy it was.

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Have you not been watching the news??? Under current circumstances, do everyone a favor and contact dealers directly.

Until it's cancelled, I'll consider going. Especially with, what, 5 cases across the state? We'll see what happens in the next week, but I'm not ready to shut down NH.

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From my town's school, which is just over the MA border.Attachment 15656

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Two math ideas that I've tried to keep in mind on coronavirus:

1) Risk vs reward--Visiting the grocery store during off hours is definitely worth the risk. But using the Boston subway at rush hour is not.

2) Exponential growth--viruses expand fast--they double each period. So if we have X number of cases today, we don't go to 1.1X, then 1.2X. then 1.3X.... We go to 2X, then 4X, then 8X, then 16X..,. Pretty soon we're at 100,000+.

I think I'd visit Mr DaSilva in his shop or call on the phone

My view on the Coronavirus
 

I am a co-manager of a law firm in Boston. We have about 65 employees. We have been pressed to have a detailed plan to deal with the coronavirus. Employees are also asking to work from home. I sent my co-managers an email this morning titled "Context and Perspective." Here's what I said --

"From Wikipedia - 'In June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new strain of swine-origin H1N1 as a pandemic. This novel virus spread worldwide and had caused 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths with an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 deaths total by August of 2010.'

"I could be a wiseass and say, “let’s roll out our plan that we used to address the H1N1 virus back in 2009.” Millions effected, and hundreds of thousands dead. To the best of my knowledge, we did NOTHING. I am not saying that we should not be reasonably prepared, especially when there are things out of our control. But the Coronavirus is a media driven event meant to cause panic. Let’s have some perspective on this and not overreact. I think we should stay the course and take our cues from the CDC and Massachusetts health officials."

This is a media driven crisis. Personally, I would not miss an event because of this so-called crisis, especially if you are under 70 years old.

To answer your question, the NH Boat Show isn't too busy that you cannot find time to speak with someone. You should be all set.

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Yes, NH is open for business. I personally am increasing my use of an internal cleansing agent. Imported from Scotland, I buy it through a NH state agency in small quantities. LFOD. LOL

The 2009 H1N1 fatality rate was around .03% (less than the typical seasonal flu). The COVID-19 fatality rate is being reported as around 100 X higher. I would say that's quite a distinction and deserves some media attention. Whether or not someone wants to make it their own crisis is up to each individual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

I do not believe it is media hype. The coronavirus is extremely contagious and has a very high mortality rate in older people. We have to start thinking about others and not only ourselves. Just because we may be young and healthy, we all have parents and grandparents. You would not want to come in contact with someone and then spread it to one of your family members who would not be as strong to fight it off.
I have read the importance of social distancing. It only works when there are less than 1% of the population who are sick. We shouldn’t wait until more people become infected before we do anything.
I hope that we start canceling many of these events so that it is not up to an individual to decide the fate of all of us.

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You're going to die according to WMUR news this evening. If you're making your own hand sanitizer they strongly recommend 80% proof vodka or better, not the crappy 60% stuff. (Really)

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If 150,000 people died of H1N1 then 5,000,000 people were infected given the 0.03% death rate. Potentially these numbers could be tripled. The high death rate associated with the coronavirus is skewed because of older people.

I don’t remember the same hysteria with any other pandemic. Last year 80,000 people in the U.S. died of the flu. It was an especially bad year. I don’t remember any news coverage about this. That’s because we understand the risk.

I’m not saying that individuals should not be vigilant in preventing the spread of coronavirus. They should. What I’m saying is that it is a complete overreaction driven by the media and social media.

I guess part of it is the unknown risk. However, coronaviruses have been around forever. This strain is different. Other types of risks we assume every day. For example, far more people (35,000) will die this year because of car accidents. We do not cancel events because people have to drive to them. That’s because we understand the risk.

If you’re relatively young and in good health there is very little to worry about.


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The number of reported cases are starting to rise and I expect that the exponential growth to start manifesting itself in the next week or so. People need to remember COVID-19 has 10x the fatality rate of the normal flu and more contagious. If the published annual flu mortality Is correct it translates to 160,000 to 690,000 deaths from COVID-19. Why put yourself in the position of becoming a statistic?


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You can’t compare it to the flu. We have a vaccine for the flu and we also have products like Tamiflu that we can take if we become sick with the flu.This is not the case with coronavirus. There is no vaccine yet.
So we have to do what we can do to prevent it from spreading as much as possible. We have to think of others.

Just to fact-check this - the CDC estimated 34,200 deaths in the US from flu in 2018-2019 season.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Susie, your math is wrong. 0.03% is 0.0003. So 5,000,000 at a 0.03% death rate is 1,500 deaths. Based on the estimated mortality rate of COVID-19, using the CDC guess that once all cases are reported it will be 1% worldwide, there would be 50,000 deaths for 5,000,000 cases. Yes, far fewer than the flu in total but scarier because, as someone said previously, it is unknown and there is no vaccine.

I’m close to 70 and I’ve never been scared of the flue. I wasn’t bothered by the bird flu, MERS, SARS, H1N1, and the super flu scares. This scares the crap out of me


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Yes,The Real BigGuy, I’m the one that said there was no vaccine. I was trying to quote Major and give a rebuttal to him. But it sounded like I was agreeing with him instead of disagreeing with him.
The coronavirus is something to be taken very seriously and I don’t believe enough people are doing that yet.

Please, think of the logic (?) in making these statements back-to-back!

What I meant by being vigilant was wash your hands, be careful interacting with strangers, normal things that you do when you are sick or know others are sick. Not tough to figure out.

Anyway, I will enjoy a less crowded NH Boat Show next weekend, provided it still is a go. I feel bad for our employees. We purchased a box to the Celtics game and now it's postponed.

I don’t believe wishful thinking ever cured or prevented a viral infection.

I don’t really know much about boats or fishing or local government; but training as a scientist and physician, I am saddened by the misinformation and denial of some on this thread.

There is much that we do not know about this virus and only fools have certainty; but there is enough known that any responsible individual should have serious concerns about it.

Of course, there are legitimate differences of opinion about it and each individual may choose how to deal with it. But facts do matter.

Sorry for the false information. You are correct. I heard the 80,000 number on the radio. The number your relate is correct. Worldwide, in a typical flu season, 290,000 to 650,000 die from the flue each year. Like I said before, since we know the risk, we are able to accept it. We are overreacting, in my opinion, to this particular risk.

:offtopic: but has local lakes region importance:

From wmur.com ..... the Gov Wentworth SAU school district that includes Tuftonboro, Wolfeboro and four other local towns has CLOSED their schools today, Thursday-March 12 ..... and are looking at Friday-March 13.

Not a personal attack on you Susie but, your post points out the one of the reasons “fake news” is an issue. Individuals hear something or read something and can now quickly post it, tweet it, text it, etc. without hearing opposing or alternate views or doing their own verification of facts. Texting, tweeting, facebooking, posting, etc. make it far too easy to propagate misleading or false info. Far to easy to blame the media for “fake news” then to look at how we handle information. Shows how & how easy it was/is for Russia to interfere in our elections.


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Let me ask you a legitimate question. Did you feel the same way as you do now when the H1N1 virus was running rampant? It remains to be seen with the coronavirus, but by any standard, H1N1 was an equivalent threat, certainly with respect to numbers infected. You may quibble about death rates, but not all the information is available. The death rate may be far less than the reported death rate since not all cases are accounted for.

My guess is that you did not feel the same way about H1N1. Why? Because of media and social media.

I am a responsible person and only my wife thinks I'm a fool since she knows me best! I refuse to give into scare tactics. You have your right to believe what you believe, and I have my right to believe what I believe. Just because we differ, that doesn't mean I'm irresponsible or a fool.

The H1N1 death rate, as reported by CDC, was 0.02% (0.2 deaths per 1000 cases)which is less than the common flue. The COVID-19 rate in the US, reported yesterday is about 2.8% (28 deaths per 1000) but, you are correct in expecting it will decrease as more testing is done and cases reported. CDC expects it will go to 1%. Even if it drops to half that (0.5%) it will be 25 times more deadly than H1N1.

I understand your point MAJOR. I’m just not as big a gambler as you are but, I’m in the age group that appears to be the most effected. You may not be and have better odds than me. In either case, be safe.


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/5010095002/


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Please read my original post #9
All I have said from the beginning is that we need to take this much more seriously than we are. Somehow, when I was trying to quote Major, all the quotes became mine and now I’m being accused of something that I didn’t say and I certainly don’t mean.

Again read my first posts. I have said that we need to start practicing social distancing as the only way to prevent this from spreading more quickly. I feel terrible that people believe that I feel the opposite of what I do.

I did not in anyway call you irresponsible or a fool. The only thing I suggested was to deal with facts and I, in no way, suggested you were not. I did not attack you.

I honestly do not know why you would infer this from what I wrote. I agree we do not have all the information. You have every right not to give into “scare tactics.”

I understand your point about H1N1...I hope the outcome is the same but, at this point I am not optimistic. Your suggestion of an overreaction to Covid-19 may turn out to correct. I hope it is.

I would give anything to revert back to the discussion about Jet Skis. I'm with Major....this is complete hype and nonsense being fueled by the media. Maybe we could move over to the Heineken Virus, just for a change?

I hope you are correct.

Read carefully. "There is much that we do not know about this virus and only fools have certainty; but there is enough known that any responsible individual should have serious concerns about it."

I apologize but I made the inference from this statement.

It appears that the NH Boat show will have a reduced crowd this year!

Two comments: I think we're seeing the result of a different philosophy at play here, one that has an analog in snow storms. At one point, nothing shut down for snow as it was just "normal" life, but now everything—schools, libraries, government buildings, restaurants, etc.—shuts down in order to avoid as much damage as possible.

Also, in this litigious/critical/condemning world, it's difficult/impossible to not be aggressive when thinking about possible consequences, especially when others begin a movement.

In the case of colleges in MA, with some closing and moving to online semester finishes, it will become increasingly hard for others to not do the same.

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As I reread this thread, and assuming nothing has been edited, I do not see anywhere that you have agreed with Major. You are correct in your convictions!

Thank you, Jeep!

The truth will set you free!

My niece posted this on Facebook. Got mad when I pointed out inaccuracies and ridiculous comparisons. If this is truly from a doctor’s office, it should be shut down.


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All public schools in Maryland are closed starting immediately for two weeks.

Yes, of course it should since it contradicts the “agenda” and real motivation behind this absurdity.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that John Kerry, and/or some of his corrupt, liberal, trader, scumbag friends, have all been working with the Chi-Comms to create the chaos that is the corona virus. Nobody wants Trump out of office more than the Chi- Comms, and the Demoncrat's. That's what liberals do. They "collude" with America's enemies to their advantage. Ted Kennedy "colluded" with the Russians back in the 80's to try and thwart Ronald Reagan's re-election to no avail... John Kerry has been dealing with the mullah's in Iran behind Trump's back trying to get Trump to go to war with Iran, hoping that it would destroy Trump's presidency. They don't care about anything other than POWER, (and destroying Trump), and they will do anything to get it, even if it's at the expense of this country. They hate this country. Like Rham Emanuel always says, "never let a good crisis go to waste", how pathetic. This corona virus scare tactic, is just another pathetic attempt to destroy Trump, and/or his chances of re-election, because liberals know that they can't win an election by simply debating the issues. They would lose every time, so they have to resort to their corrupt ways, knowing they have the media in their back pocket to protect, and cover for them whenever needed... The "double standard". It's more obvious now than ever before, and for that reason, no matter what they throw at Trump from here on out, it will never succeed. The people are on to their pathetic little games. My hunch is that he will be re-elected in a land slide, and hopefully start putting these corrupt bastards in jail where they belong. Sorry if I went a little off topic...

:):):)

I remember a month / 2 weeks ago when we were all focused on impeachment. Can't help but think this could all be crap to detsroy the economy after reading things today. I'm begining to think that if they can't destroy him one way they will try something new. Nothing will make them feel better unless they can improve the nanny state and make more pepole dependent instead of resourceful.

I would like to think that the "corona virus" will be aka the "kitchen sink"!! It's all they got left to throw at him!!! Although, (God only knows) what they got up their sleeves... They are very very sleazy, corrupt, trader's to this country, and never to be underestimated. BTW, FWIW, what's the over/under amount of time (in jail) that Harvey Weinstein ends up like his buddy Jefferey Epstein...?? All the while Bill continues to slide under the radar... Nice to have the media in your back pocket!!