Back to business by Easter
 

Easter is 17 days from now.

Trump says he wants the nation "opened up and just raring to go by Easter" because Easter is "a beautiful time. A beautiful timeline."

The CDC says, "The United States nationally is in the INITIATION phase of the pandemic." That means we're not at the end; we're at the beginning of this crisis.

Anthony Fauci: "“I cannot see that all of a sudden, next week or two weeks from now it's going to be over. I don't think there's a chance of that."

Report from 8 infectious-disease modeling researchers, University of Massachusetts Amherst: "Only 12% of all coronavirus cases (including asymptomatic ones) had been reported in the US as of March 15. . . .The average of the researchers' predictions suggests that the virus could kill around 195,000 people in the US by the end of the year." Other experts predict over 2 million deaths in the US if more decisive action is not taken now.

Questions:

(1) Does Trump have the constitutional power to do something irrational, like ordering businesses to reopen, that will lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths?

(2) Whether he has the legal power or not, will anyone step in to stop him?

These questions may sound political, but essentially they're about our survival. Regardless of political leanings, a leader who does not understand or accept the scientific facts about a pandemic and does not listen to experts is himself a major threat to the survival of the nation and world.

At this point our food sources are apparently secure. When COVID-19 strikes thousands of people involved in the production and distribution of food, our food sources will no longer be secure---they will either dwindle or they will be infected, or both. Civil unrest will follow because people who don't have food do desperate things. This is what will happen if virus carriers return to work by Easter. The economy will be harmed far more than it is now.

Coronavirus poll results:

1. 56% of Americans don't believe COVID-19 is a real threat (March 17).
2. Half of Americans believe Trump is doing a good job managing the crisis.

Those polls mean that one-half of your neighbors are not going to be motivated to use social distancing, self-isolate if they're sick, or follow public health directives that limit the freedoms they're accustomed to. They also will not be motivated to demand rational countermeasures from their local, state, and federal authorities.

This crisis is about two things: science (facts) and human behavior. The science and facts are what they are. Human behavior is influenceable only to a certain extent. When people are driven by beliefs and emotions, and those are not based on science and facts, the outcome is going to be grim. When a leader's decisions are not based on science and facts, and he models actions that are not based on facts, the outcome is going to be grim.

Is COVID-19 not yet at your personal doorstep? It will be soon. One of my friends has it right now. Another friend died 10 days ago because he couldn't get proper medical care for another illness because the hospital in his area was overwhelmed by COVID-19. If you have a heart attack and your local hospital is dealing with an onslaught of COVID-19 cases, you might not get care. You think that big red dot around New York City on the COVID-19 map isn't going to expand into New Hampshire? It already is.

The nation "opened up and just raring to go by Easter"? This is magical thinking that threatens all of us, no matter what your personal politics are.

You would have to be a dolt to think that his “ Easter” timeline message is anything but a calming, encouraging message to a nation of uncertainty.
Spare us with the doom and gloom crap.

My soon to be sacrificed mother-in-law, for the economy, always said never trust a man that dyes his (or someone elses) hair platinum blonde and paints his face basketball orange. LOL

The “Thanks” button isn’t enough. THANK YOU for your post, Hill.

Well, I guess we'll know for sure in just a couple of weeks whether SailinAway or our President is the more reliable forecaster....Or maybe it's a couple of weeks after that?

Let's hope it's the President, but let's not pretend that he's a better bet than Dr Fauci and the rest of the medical establishment

The words themselves would be calming and encouraging coming from a reliable source. BUT how can anyone but a dolt really be encouraged when everyone, including many of his supporters, recognize that he is not a reliable source? Usually, his supporters recognize his difficulty with the truth by commenting “he really didn’t mean that” or “ you know how he is.” His words just are not credible enough to really be hopeful.

Well I guess I’m that dolt. We need to get the economy going. I believe these government hacks as much as I believe the climate alarmists. We need to get people back to work. This is cratering the economy and jeopardizing my children’s future.


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My sympathies go out to those who have contracted TDS. Trump Derangement Syndrome. Much worse for this country than the China Virus. It rots the brain and makes one unable to think clearly. We are lucky that with quarantine from the main stream media and an openness to new ideas it can be cured. Good luck

I would suggest everyone watch the actual press conferences and always go to the source of data rather than the news. In this day in age the actual source and date it is available to everyone. The news has become something else. If you watch the press conference he was very clear that he didn't mean the entire country, he was optimistic if an area is uneffected/undercontrol and measures can be taken to ensure that. Then it should have the requirements eased. He certainly was not saying NYC is going to be open for business or the entire country.

Can you point us to the data that shows that it will be safe to reopen businesses in 17 days?

California and New York---two of the country's main economic engines---are under assault from the virus. Hotspots around Detroit and Chicago were identified today.

Regular gasoline is 1.599/gal at the Golden Pond store in Holderness, close to Little Squam Lake. Filled up the tank for about $16 and there was just two other cars there. Was pretty quiet for a low price like that ...... 1.599/gal for no name gas.

For my econo-box car with the hit & run, side crush ..... gas is gas is gas ..... and all that matters is the price.

I have watched almost all of the press conferences including that one. It is very difficult at times to understand exactly what he is saying. I did not say that he claimed NYC would be open for business. I read both CNN and Fox News. In fact, rather than believing he meant the whole country, he seemed to vaguely be referring to certain areas and that was also the gist of today’s news conference.

Hmmmm..............It is interesting that the virus hot spots also seem to be Sanctuary Cities? Hmmmm.............

I don't think the data is complete so I am not gonna draw a conclusion. I did find it interesting that the virus was probably here for weeks/months being diagnosed as the "regular" flu and that it took ER visits for it to be properly diagnosed. I am not saying you are wrong for being upset. This is terrible. Maybe misdirected maybe not. But don't get your news from Fox or CNN. Don't even watch them. Everything is an editorial, opinion, hot take, not news. We now can see real news straight from the source go find it. That is what the internet is for. Why it is powerful. Why some nations censor it.

I think the inability to test and how some don't show symptoms is why this is so dangerous and why it is so much more wide spread than the data shows.

This site is not accurate but best I have found https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Look at other nations data they reported and then look at Chinas definitely does not follow same trend. Just saying 🐠

At least you have a sense of self awareness. Anyway, here is a quote from one of your puppet masters, the #3 ranking republican in the house

There will be no normally functioning economy if our hospitals are overwhelmed and thousands of Americans of all ages, including our doctors and nurses, lay dying because we have failed to do what’s necessary to stop the virus.


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When H1N1 hit the US in 2009, I think it was over 6 months and 1,000 people dead before Obama declared a national health emergency. Estimates put the total deaths in the US at over 13,000 with those going to the hospital around 275,000 and those suspected to have contracted it around 60 Million.

Can’t recall him ever telling people to distance themselves for 14 days or close borders to try to slow it down like Trump did. No one seem to critical of his actions back then.

This "seems" like a more contagious strain but if we are talking about the differences in how presidents responded to saves lives, does not even seem close. We can argue about not wanting Trump steering this ship but at least someone has his/her hands on the wheel this time.

Just saying…

Apparently, this year's Monday, April 13 Easter egg roll on the White House lawn has been cancelled ..... www.whitehouse.gov/eastereggroll/ ..... that's always a fun event where the White House lawn is open to the public via an admission lottery held from Feb 18-24 .... it is not happening this year.

Better to be safe, than sorry.

It would have been the 142nd Easter egg roll held by the White House. (from the link above)

Stupid, waste of time, political thread.

Ditto ...... :(

Paying $1.59 for gas at the Golden Pond store in Holderness, which has spaces for about six cars at six pumps is something like the lowest price in years, maybe since 2001.

About three years ago, the two Rt 93-Exit 25 stations were at 1.92, and that seemed very low after paying 3.99, the year earlier.

$1.599 for no name gas is low-low-low ..... and my car runs perfectly fine with it, as always, going close now to 200,000 miles on the 'riginal four spark plugs ..... a 2013 Scion xB with a 5-speed stick.

..... driv'n that golden road ..... to that Golden Pond store ..... for some low-priced, golden gasoline ..... in that 5th golden gear ..... is so totally golden!

You should have put the word "financial" in front of children since that seams to be all you care about. :(

Please read before you think.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19...swine-flu.html


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Hmmm...sounds very familiar to what schifty pencil necked schiff did during the weak and twisted attempt to bring our president down by impeachment. He delivered a diatribe that put words in our President’s mouth that were never remotely, uttered. Surely a democrat trait?

We are all in this together ...like it or not
 

We are all in this together and democrats and republicans are doing the best they can under the circumstances and their differing views. Without question people who are forum members will die from the virus...so maybe stop the name calling and bring back civil discourse.

If you want to get a close-up look at people in Bergamo, Italy in hospitals really suffering from the Covid-19 virus ...... you can google ....... 'We take the dead from morning to night' ....... to see a March 27, NY Times photo-report without having a paid subscription and it has a lot of photos.

Is a real eye opener, and deepest, deepest sympathy for these suffering people in Italy .... it is truly terrible.

So, every morning when you first wake up, do you check your throat to confirm that it is working as it should? Is the throat still good?

Ok, so yesterday-middle of the day, about 1-pm, I'm in the Meredith Hannaford frozen food aisle looking at Marie Callender items, and one of the Hannaford employees, a guy, gives me an unusual, extra hard stare at me, couldn't figure that out at the time, and now I'm thinking I was too close ..... and was probably five feet away at the time while opening the freezer door.

You know, you think to yourself ...... like, what is going on here, did I just do something wrong?

Ya right...every time I look at the list that Pelosi and Schumer are trying to push through with a stimulus bill...ya sure...the democrats want to help themselves to a big juicy peach of bill that has nothing to do with combating the Chinese virus nor helping us “get together”
Just more of the swamp sludge sloshing around the capitol while the little guy is going down the toilet.

Why not be specific?
 

Maybe you are more educated than I on the difference between the sides. I know the Democrats do not want any aid going to Trump's business nor do they want to give away money to the cruise ships that are not registered in the USA and therefore do not pay taxes. So, why not educate us on what you see as not combatting Covid-19.

As for the little guy going down the toilet maybe you can articulate that as well?

Not answering for Hill but the fact is they are trying to push through 11 billion for the funding for the African Development Fund (ADF), the African Development Bank (AfDB) and the International Development Association (IDA).

Do you really think this is a time to "donate" that kind of money to foreign countries where so many of our own are out of a job or are going to be out of a job?

What does the Kennedy Center have to do with this pandemic??...and there are many many other special interests trying to be added or have been added to this bill!

Honestly can you tell me why on earth the bill should include ANYTHING but relief efforts for US citizens due to the Covid19 virus?...and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??

Dan

I assume by the thanks you got...
 

So, I did a quick google search and found something from FOX...who I sure many of the thanks come from loyal viewers. Here is what I found. BTW if you watched Trump he on TV endorsed supporting the Kennedy Center.

"[T]o put it bluntly, the United States will not be safe from this pandemic until the world is safe from this pandemic—without widespread access to a vaccine or countermeasures, cases rebound quickly when quarantines are lifted as has been shown in Singapore and Hong Kong this week," read a letter the CGD sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., last week.

The funding for these three international organizations was not an 11th-hour addition; it was included in the original Republican version of the coronavirus bill."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...al-development

Facts can be scarry
 

Interesting read......some people contribute facts with references and others provide statements without contect or research.

H1N1: Did you know that at the outbreak it was concluded and later proven that the majority of the US and European population already had immunities due to the flu in 1960?

The relief package is an attempt to provide employers with money to continue to pay their employees even though the company is not taking in any revenue. Non profits such as the Kennedy Center, Smithsonian, and so many others employ thousands of people. The grants are being provided so that they can continue to pay employees.

Perhaps we should not be so quick to just take sound bites and react? Afterall, those that post the oneliner sound bites that are designed to anger and divide have a bigger objective than just your sound mind and health.

And what is it you didn't understand about my post when I said..."and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??"

Do you really believe only the republicans are adding the "pork" to this bill?...Do you really believe "your side" has clean hands in all this?? Your not that gullible are you??

Let me ask you this...do you or do you not believe that this bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens and nothing else?... yes or no?

Dan

Cnn
 

Here is one of the best articles I have seen regarding the so called "Stimulus Bill".

It comes from the very left leaning CNN but this journalist put his political partisanship aside to put forth this very true picture of what is occurring in DC in regards to this pork filled bill...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/opini...llo/index.html

Dan

Agree with Dan
 

I see many posts here that display a high level of emotion in their position. For those who are presenting facts, you cannot convince the emotional side with facts. Not To Worry took IShoot308's facts and retorted with a Google search that had nothing to do with the earlier response.

From an air traffic controller to a pilot under control: "I have a dog with one blue eye." FACT !

Sandbox....
 

Hit the other children with you plastic shovels...

My side? Which side is that?
 

First which side am I on? I think we all know politicians are whores and do what they need to do to stay in office.. Having said that I believe they are doing the best they can in an impossible situation. To get a bill passed and to get it quickly passed had to mean both sides made concessions. I do not believe that there is any way to just isolate the USA so we are bound to look at al manners of aid that can directly and indirectly help us. I personally do not believe Trump is doing a great job...you may disagree or agree...it does not matter. I think what matters is some civility to each other as we all try to get through this. No?

The journalist is Mark Corallo, a 54-year old Republican who "was the spokesman for Pres Donald Trump's private legal team during the investigation into possible collusion between members of Trump's 2016 campaign and the Russian Government." ...... Wikipedia - Mark Corallo ...... :eek2:


......he must have wandered into that CNN building thinking it was FoxNews, sat down and started writing ........ ???

Thanks FLL for a useful and somewhat funny post! :eek:

I honestly didn't know he was a republican. I just assumed (my first mistake) that since he was writing for CNN...well you understand.:D

Either way he still wrote a factual, heartfelt and non partisan article on the crap going on in DC regarding the stimulus bill to which I agree fully.

Dan

I can understand the government wanting to help its distressed citizens, but why should any money go to corporations?

They don't vote, they can't contract the coronavirus.

Oh, and how in hell is the treasury going to come up with an extra two trillion dollars?

The national deficit mounts and nobody, but nobody, seems to care.

It's almost enough to make me think fondly of Bill Clinton: at least he knew what a balanced budget was.

Dolt
 

You're right, you are that dolt.

Interesting
 

Interesting that the country is supposed to be "back in business" by April 12 th, that's 15 or 16 days from now.

Per John Hopkins University real time website, the US has topped 100, 000. Just before 6pm, we were at 100,717 cases. (On March 22nd, this time of day, around 6pm, we were at 32,600).

Easter is tremendously optimistic, in my humble opinion.

Dave