a SIGN of things to come.... Braun Bay
 

Got this from a buddy of mine yesterday! Kinda sad really!

Woodsy

Looks like crap
 

I'm marginally ok with them placing a sign. But geez, you'd think they could put the thing in professionally!

They felt the need to ruin a beautiful landscape by the erecting of a billboard in the middle of the sandbar? Who could be so stupid to allow this?

What's next? A traffic signal in the Weirs Channel?

I am just glad I rememeber this lake before we needed all these rules to protect us from ourselves.

The very same feeling I had. We have several islands owned by the public that can be used for camping, both rustic, and some with full campsites and facilities. Many places to travel to and raft, enjoy the entire lake. There's the occasional problem with locals not wanting any marina expansion, a town beach that was opened up to land traffic, and the usual boaters versus non-boater issues developed, but it was rectified and all can cohabitate there now.

Winni is a publicly owned lake that many want managed as a private association. A well-managed public treasure doesn't have to be none of this and none of that.

:)
 

I hope the got a wetlands permit for that!

Braun bay
 

Is this sign indeed in Braun Bay, or a photo of a sign from another lake...as in, "this is what we are in for, eventually."

If it is in Braun Bay, whose 11 year old kids did they hire to install it?

Wow,

I hope it's a hoax, by that I mean placed by someone other than the MP

I doubt this is a hoax, I was over there Moday, and saw the MP work barge and the RIB over in that area.... I was wondering what they were up too..... I didn't go over to investigate as I had young children aboard and didn't want to risk an altercation.....
I guess now I know........

so
 

So......they stuck a metal sign in the lake, which is bad enough, but decided to mount it off center, leaning to one side, and use two supports of unequal length??!!

Marine Patrol did it , remember. We are not talking skilled engineers here. College kids on break.

Sad - Sad - Sad
 

It is certainly a great place for appealing graffiti.

It's a sad commentary on the state of the lake I think. A tremendous amount of anchored boats here are larger sailboats or cruisers, many that have dinghies so they can go to the beach, the city, whatever. On any given weekend, there are many go fasts, bowriders, large cruisers, whatever, rafting or beached or at anchor in many a different bay. In the old days we'd say (nicely) that someone needs to get l@!d or get the pole out of their @ $E.

God only knows what the powers that be will get annoyed at next.

That sign would look killer in my game room;)

That sign would explain why Patrician Shores became a little uncomfortable Sun. afternoon. We stopped going to Braun Bay a few years back. I am all for live and let live, so don't blast me for this, but Braun Bay and Patrician Shores have historically attracted different boating demographics.

Where exactly is Patrician Shores. I was going to go over there after hitting Braun Bay last week but I could not find it on the Bizer. I really wanted to see it.

I remember Patrician Shores from way back when. Not bad prices from what I see. How's the tap water there now? It's not too far up from Meredith on the way to Center Harbor. My cousin years and years ago attended the seminary up near there. Nice location.

This is sad. :(

Why do they have a right to put an ugly sign like that in OUR (the residents of NH) lake? I think it just plain sux. Have them put it on one of the complaining property owners' land if it's even legal.

Stop going to Braun Bay
 

When I was told twice by the MP to leave because I was too close too the neighboring boats. I was there first and it's the other boats that came too close to me! After telling the MPO that, I still had to leave. I don't know why they singled me out. I only have a 22' boat with grandkids.

I was talking about the shallow sandy area that actually lies between Patrician Shores and Farrar Point. I wasn't actually talking about the property at Patrician Shores. Sorry for the confusion.

A surprise? hardly.....half the posters on this forum crave more Government control in every aspect of their lives, including recreation.

Someone has to protect us from ourselves.

Change.

Yes we can.

This is sad!
 

This is pretty sad. Watch shorthly, they'll be similar signs posted all over the lake! If the MP did place this sign, they should remove it PDQ. If a resident posted it, they should be issued a fine.

Tank

Well
 

Is there anyway to confirm that MP put this sign in there, and two, that it is legal to post a sign in the water, no Joke here I would think that a preservation group or even the shoreline protection act might say differently, we need some of our good law versed forum members to do some deligence on this to 1 see how it got there in the first place, who requested it, as the charts already tell you this, and again if it is even legal to just go and plop a sign in the water, cause if that is the case guess what you are going to see all around the lake,

I think we should get a honest to goodness petition going to have this signed removed, a sign that is one hidious and also ruining the scenery of the lake

But wait that's not all...
 

Tomorrow an even bigger sign will appear announcing that this project was a result of stimulus money

Couldn't agree more. And who are the rocket scientists who decided that all these "magical" numbers, setbacks, separation distances, etc. are the be-all and end-all to a safe boating experience? You shouldn't need a calculator to figure out if you're okay near another boat anchored in Braun Bay.

It was probably put up using "stimulus money":rolleye2:

You Know
 

I think you are right, there are no laws in the books saying you have to be 25 feet away from another boat correct? Nor that you have to be 75 feet from shore, rule is if you are still in the water you are in a public area, this discussion has happened many times in this forum with lakeside residents and boaters and island owners,

Now I know this sign is not legal, this issue has been raised, discussed and proven many times
Can someone contact MP and tell them this sign is illegal or a state Rep,
me down here in MA will just have it fall on deaf ears

I'm wondering why they felt the NEED to put up a sign like that; what was the reasoning? Unbelievable!!! :eek:

What's next - speed limit signs in the Broads?

Pathetic.

We do it to ourselves
 

Nobody puts up a sign like that unless enough people bitch. Nobody bitches unless they're sufficiently bothered.

I was there last weekend. Apart from the just plain rudeness from people who think they don't need to come off plane until their anchor is in the water, there were: People taking their dog up to shore to take a dump. People smoking up (Their DD must have been underneath taking a nap). Some dude spraying his whole boat with a cleaner and cleaning it in the water (seriously!?!?). A few loud pipes, music, etc.

We're out there to have fun and not be anal, but nobody wants to live near a trailer park. If we can police ourselves a little more, the neighbors will be less likely to do it for us.

On the plus side, the bay is getting a nice chemical slick--which probably cuts down on the bacteria!

Don't be surprised....
http://www.2dolphins.com/images/blogpix/speed_limit.jpg

signage
 

I think that they should put a one way only sign up at the entry to Paugus Bay. Only can go into Paugus Bay. Now that would be cute.:emb:

What about a No Passing sign East of Rattlesnake Island.:eek:

This is realy getting out of hand. Talk about scarring up the landscape for the interest of a select group. Makes me think of that song "Sign Sign Everywhere a sign...

I would rather see the money it cost to create and then pay wichever one of the three stoggers put the thing up go to enforcing the laws we already have.

We do it to ourselves
 

Caloway,

We were there Friday through Sunday...1/2 day Friday, from 830 to 6 pm Saturday, most of Sunday and sent elsewhere on Sunday. You must have been near us as I saw two boats washing, several folks taking their dogs on shore (near the big rock, more toward the southern end of the boating area). We prefer to stay on the "upstream" side of the sandbar, mostly because the water isn't as warm, if you know what I mean. ;)

Our girls love the place as they can play for hours with the frisbeen, snorkel, etc. But again, we stay a bit on the upstream side where it's a little less crowded.


GB

Its funny that money $$$$ can be spent on stupid signage but the lights on the Governors Island Bridge cannot be fixed or the markers and buoys that are missing since spring cannot be replaced. Obviously safety is not priority number one but harrassing people is.

We were there on Sunday from 9 till 6. One of the worst Bonehead moves was Marine Patrol catch an anchor line and looking like how'd that happen.

To RinkerFam's point earlier -- it looks as though these Refugee's of Braun are now setting up shop at Patrician Shores. And it's a tragedy.

My last two week-end experiances have led me to unfortunately keep the family away from this area where we have gone religiously and loved for nearly 15 years. It has always been a great FAMILY spot to meet good friends, have fun, and yet maintain a certain level of "boaters etiquette". Never (since leaving Braun Bay nearly 20 years ago) have I ever seen so many inconsiderate boaters in place as I have over the past couple of week-ends. The volleyball nets have arrived, the idea of three or more racks / lines of anchored boats --- There is nothing worse than being at the a sand bar only to find 4-5 "cruisers" decide to set up shop rafting right in front of you!! Hello -- there's plenty of waterfront!! BTW don't even think about setting anchor on/over/or near my front anchor line!!.

We had one pontoon boat actually "walk" his boat in and proceeded to "drop anchor" four (4) feet from our swim platform (when he dropped the mushroom anchor he actually splshed the family sitting on the rear sundeck). To top it off, someone on this potoon boat of roughly 10 people had a dog (retriever I think) which over the course of the next hour barked incessantly at my two Grandgirls as they sat on our swimplatform. Add to that the "spud gun" loud music, etc etc --

If your a long time fan of the area and been there recently you know exactly what I'm referring to ....... unfortunately people bring MP action upon themselves by their behavior...... I suspect within the next season or two this will become the Lakes next No Rafting Zone ----- It truely is a travesty!

and I'm sure I'll take a lot of bashing for this post

Phantom...

I am certainly not going to bash you....

Patrician is definitely getting a bit more crowded. Its the unintended consequences of "No Rafting Zones" on the lake. This year the NHMP have decided to target the NRZ as the regulation to enforce.... 2 guys on jetskis and one patrol boat swoop into Braun Bay (and West Alton) and start writing tickets! Kind of a waste of resources, but the wealthy land owners across the bay have obviously decided to force the issue!

I personally dont care if there is 1 row or 3 rows of boats as long as nobody is bumping... the lake belongs to everyone! I dont get too twisted if someone parks over my anchor line, its easy enough to politely ask them to move when I go to leave. I find it to be ALOT less stressful if you greet people with a nice hello and offer to lend a hand positioning thier boat.... that way you can kind of "help" put the anchor someplace a little further away. Its everyones lake, and a little courtesy and a lot less me me me go along way to making the lake even more enjoyable!


Woodsy

Woodsy -- I do not disagree with much of what you've said ....... I am typicaly (much to my wife's chagrin-- who claims I'd talk to a dead cat on the side of the road of it would listen) the first one off the sundeck to help another fellow boater get situated. What I'm referring to is packing boats in like sardines. And I'm sorry -- when a group of 30+ footers set their front anchors and back in over a line of bow anchor lines and set up their rafting line -- I find that just plain RUDE!

and I fully appreciate the fact that it is a result of stepped up enforcement in othr areas ............... until now Patrician has NEVER caught the eye of MP (and with good cause).... Now I feel it is their most likely next spot!!

Spud guns, jet ski's ripping around ...... it's bound to happen...... and like I said it will be a travesty.

Winnisquam sandbar
 

I was over at lake Winnisquam Tuesday. The public launch ramp is fantastic! The sand bar next to the bridge was not crowded and my grandkids had a great time. Not one MPO visit. In fact I didn't see one MPO all day! Everyone is very friendly. Reminds me of Braun Bay ten years ago. Everyone was talking about all the s**t that is happening on Winnipesaukee. Speed limits, Ames Farm being close, rafting limitations etc. People say Winni folks are doing it to themselves and I'm afraid they are partly right. They are glad they have their own little world and they tend to keep it that way. I get the same sentiments from Newfound folks and Sunapee folks.

It's sad. :(