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BJAM 02-11-2010 12:25 PM

The Motor Ship Mount Washington
 
It appears that the work on the ship is coming along good. As I write this, I can see the welders cutting a hole on the starboard side. I appears the hole is going to be between the O and the N on the decal Mount. I have a ring side seat to all the action.

Phantom 02-11-2010 01:09 PM

Ring side seat = Photo's to document the event !!

RLW 02-11-2010 07:42 PM

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Attachment 3411 Can someone supply any??

cruisenh 02-11-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RLW (Post 118883)
Attachment 3411 Can someone supply any??

We have been busy disassembling the old engines. Cote Contractors are setting up the rigging. Today Hewitt Welding cut the hole in the side.
Here are some pictures taken February 9 and 11.

RLW 02-12-2010 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cruisenh (Post 118893)
We have been busy disassembling the old engines. Cote Contractors are setting up the rigging. Today Hewitt Welding cut the hole in the side.
Here are some pictures taken February 9 and 11.

OKKKK, may I ask where did you hide them. I have looked in every nook and cranny and can't find them. You did a fantastic job hiding them.:)

Chubbs 02-12-2010 10:50 AM

I to am having no luck finding those pictures. Dying to see them.

Channel Pirate 02-12-2010 11:11 AM

Old Engine Pix
 
Found some pix on the website www.cruisenh.com/Captains_Blog.html

Chubbs 02-12-2010 11:35 AM

Great pics. Thank you. Are there any pictures out there of the cutting of the hull etc etc ??

cruisenh 02-12-2010 05:33 PM

I uploaded them but I will try it again. Maybe I should just send them to the webmaster.

RLW 02-12-2010 05:42 PM

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Attachment 3420We appreciate your help and the time you are taking to please us all.:)

cruisenh 02-12-2010 05:45 PM

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I don't know where the others went but here they are again. I must have done something wrong.

NoBozo 02-12-2010 07:19 PM

Good pictures. Could we maybe move the Mount WebCam around to the starboard side on shore so we could monitor ...second by second what's going on. Inquiring minds. :) . Yea Yea...I know the Cam has nothing to do with the Mount Management. Just wondering. :) NB

Pineedles 02-12-2010 09:08 PM

Second that request
 
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Originally Posted by NoBozo (Post 118978)
Good pictures. Could we maybe move the Mount WebCam around to the starboard side on shore so we could monitor ...second by second what's going on. Inquiring minds. :) . Yea Yea...I know the Cam has nothing to do with the Mount Management. Just wondering. :) NB

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

trfour 02-13-2010 02:05 AM

Twin Kitty Cats?
 
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V-12 marine Cat engines?

Caterpiler is #1 in marine diesel engines, bar none...

What will they be, MO SER# specks?...

Let us know, Captain Jim Morash!

Terry
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Irrigation Guy 02-14-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nobozo (Post 118978)
good pictures. Could we maybe move the mount webcam around to the starboard side on shore so we could monitor ...second by second what's going on. Inquiring minds. :) . Yea yea...i know the cam has nothing to do with the mount management. Just wondering. :) nb

..........x3!

SIKSUKR 02-15-2010 09:37 AM

It looks like you have Cote Rigging of Manchester moving the motors? They have moved many pieces of equipment for me.

dpg 02-15-2010 11:52 AM

That's a big Milton Cat Diesel(s) going into the Mount. Cat makes many a motor for tons of applications, I have a little exposure to them through work.

dmjr 02-15-2010 09:51 PM

What is going to be the fate of the old engines?

moose tracks 02-16-2010 08:08 PM

Horse power of new engines
 
What is the horse power ratings of the new Milton Cat Diesels going into the Mount? I know that the old engines put out 615hp each.

Seeker 02-16-2010 08:30 PM

Will the new ones have reverse gears?

Bizer 02-17-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeker (Post 119261)
Will the new ones have reverse gears?

Yes. Like the old engines, the new engines only go in one direction. However the new gearboxes, which connect each engine to a drive shaft, can be put in reverse while the engines are running. With the old gearboxes it took as long as 30 seconds to stop one/both engines, switch gears, and restart the engines.

As a side note, the new engines are much lighter than the old engines. Ballast will be added to the bilge to assist in stability.

Updated 03-MAR-10. After posting the above I was corrected. I had no idea that diesel engines could run backward. In doing some online research, reversing a bi-directional diesel engine is accomplished by shifting the gears on the cam shaft so that the valves open/close at a different time than when running forward. This requires bringing the engine to a complete stop before shifting the cam shaft. The diesel in my VW does not have this option, but then again, I can shift to reverse without stopping the engine.

Pineedles 02-17-2010 09:17 AM

New engines
 
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Originally Posted by Bizer (Post 119284)
Yes. Like the old engines, the new engines only go in one direction. However the new gearboxes, which connect each engine to a drive shaft, can be put in reverse while the engines are running. With the old gearboxes it took as long as 30 seconds to stop one/both engines, switch gears, and restart the engines.

As a side note, the new engines are much lighter than the old engines. Ballast will be added to the bilge to assist in stability.

Yes, that 30 second delay is probably responsible for a couple of near and actual groundings of the Mount. On a windy day, watching the Mount make its turn in Centre Harbor I watched it almost go ashore several times, and once into a boat house a couple of cottages down from us. Looks like that won't be happening anymore.

dmjr 02-21-2010 03:20 PM

I noticed a large I-Beam sticking out the side of the Mount. Have they started lifting out the old engines or are the installing the new ones? What will be the fate of the old engines?

Grant 02-22-2010 07:45 AM

I noticed that also. Will post a photo.

skprbob 02-22-2010 08:41 AM

old vs new
 
Bizer & Pineneedles - The two outgoing Enterprise engines were direct drive; no gearboxes. To reverse direction, the engines were stopped, then restarted with the opposite rotation. The two new Cats do have gearboxes, so may be kept running and shifted much like an ordinary boat would. There will still be a delay in shifting to allow the propellors to stop rotating first. This will be shorter, since the new equipment will also include shaft brakes.

Grant 02-22-2010 11:01 AM

The I-beam protruding from the Mount's starboard side.http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...Feb_10_008.JPG

dmjr 03-03-2010 11:45 AM

New Engines Arrived
 
Just came by the Center Harbor docks a while ago and saw the rigging company unloading 2 Cat engines for the Mount.

NoBozo 03-03-2010 12:53 PM

The Mount Cam from yesterday still shows the truck unloading the engines. NB

http://www.cruisenh.com/mountcam.html

EDIT: 2:38 PM Wed. I think the DATE on the Mount Cam is 24 hours behind.

dmjr 03-03-2010 04:12 PM

Engines
 
It looks like the engines came in for the Mount Washington since there was alot of activity in Center Harbor

Bizer 03-03-2010 09:47 PM

Here are some photos that I took today...

http://www.bizer.com/lwmountw/103031...outEngines.jpg

http://www.bizer.com/lwmountw/103035...stallation.jpg

http://www.bizer.com/lwmountw/10303a8_StillRolling.jpg

http://www.bizer.com/lwmountw/10303h...ourNewHome.jpg

angela4design 03-03-2010 10:03 PM

Green?
 
I heard a bit on news 9 tonight about the Mount 'going green'... how does that factor in? Is that an initiative for all operations, or just the engine room?

I applaud the effort, wither way. I think every bit helps.

Just today, for a laugh to share, my 4 year old insisted that I get a cup with triangle on the bottom for him to drink from - so he knows that it was recycled. Now, I didn't teach him to be quite THAT insistent, but I support it! (They were both recyclable, but I got the one 'with the triangle' anyway.)

Slickcraft 03-04-2010 06:16 AM

WMUR story
 
Here is a link to the video:
http://www.wmur.com/video/22733147/index.html

text story:
http://www.wmur.com/news/22732651/detail.html

fatlazyless 03-04-2010 06:57 AM

Reading today's LaDaSun article informs that the two old engines were two-stroke diesel w/ the crankshafts connected directly to the propeller driveshafts, so's going from forward to reverse required engines to be shut down and stopped turning before restarting, engaged in reverse direction.....in the old method.

The new setup now has either one or two transmissions as there are two, new Caterpillar 4-stroke diesels, so the ship can go from forward to reverse very quickly and without having to turn off the engine.

Are the new transmissions automatic or manual with a clutch pedal & stick shift, and how many forward gears? This is a serious question......thanks in advance.

Ya knows....those two old engines were extremely, extremely QUIET.....jeesh....they were so QUIET.....it will be very difficult for the new engines to be more quiet than the old engines......and could be that the new engines will be louder......time will tell?

Slickcraft 03-04-2010 07:36 AM

I have watched the Mount dock in Alton. After the final alignment a ways out the engines were cut off for a several seconds. Kind of eerie watching that silent glide waiting for the start-up in reverse. Must have made the crew nervous now and then knowing that a failure to restart would mean a crash but I never heard of that happening.
Now all they have to do is shift into reverse. What is the fun in that?:rolleye2:

Blue Thunder 03-04-2010 08:52 AM

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The new setup now has either one or two transmissions as there are two, new Caterpillar 4-stroke diesels, so the ship can go from forward to reverse very quickly and without having to turn off the engine.

Are the new transmissions automatic or manual with a clutch pedal & stick shift, and how many forward gears? This is a serious question......thanks in advance.

More than likely, the transmissions will be either be electrically (drive by wire), hydraulically, or cable/throttle actuated. I can't quite tell from the pictures if those housings on the rear of the engines are the transmissions. They don't need to be very big. Our island is repowering one of our ferries this winter and although a much smaller scale, the same project. The attached pics are cell phone pics so sorry for the quaility.

BT

fatlazyless 03-04-2010 10:07 AM

Sure looks like the same three guys are doing both Sebago & Winni engine jobs....same three guys....how about that! Cat's are always Caterpillar Yellow....and white is....Volvo?

NoBozo 03-04-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 120578)
Sure looks like the same three guys are doing both Sebago & Winni engine jobs....same three guys....how about that! Cat's are always Caterpillar Yellow....and white is....Volvo?

Volvos are usually Green. This could be a Cummins. Cummins are White. This motor looks like a straight diesel....not turbo charged. Hard to tell. NB

AltnBay 03-04-2010 11:56 AM

Mounts engines
 
I found this on the 'Mounts' facebook page under captians blog #3. Hope this helps. Again this is from there blog site."Many are asking about the new engines specifics. Well, quite simply they are C-32 CATS, 12 cylinders each with a horsepower rating of 750hp at 1800 rpms. We will have a ZF Mathers 4:1 reduction gear to bring the rpms down to 450. The control systems will be ZF Mathers as well. In addition we will be installing shaft brakes for the first time on this vessel. This will quicken our stopping time in emergency situations. But don’t think we can stop on a dime from full speed ahead. It will still take us about a ¼ mile to stop the ship from full speed ahead. What these shaft brakes will do is give us better response time in docking and departure maneuvers."

Pineedles 03-04-2010 12:07 PM

space question
 
Do the new engines take up less room in the engine room?

robmac 03-04-2010 12:35 PM

I think they do,also because of the loss in ballast weight of the new power plants ballast will be added to maintain stability. Can't wait for ice out and a cruise.


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