Bill Gates said " it will be"
 

Back in 2015 Bill Gates made several presentations as to what was to come and we are not prepared. Here is his 8 minute talk.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...ted-talk-2015/.

Pretty incredible!- Thank you.

We were warned
 

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

He's given away over $30 billion

Well, that’s a blanket statement! Do you mean he has “given away” billions to help the USA be better prepared for his “viral” prediction?

All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief...

"All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief."
 

What a completely ignorant thing to write. How much "tax relief" do you think billionaires need? Not Billions!

Gates
 

He also met with Trump in NYC before inauguration to discuss pandemic issues he was concerned with and what work the foundation had done in working with the prior two flu waves. Look up his review of that meeting.

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Seriously. It might be time to read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Giving away $45 billion dollars (not millions) is a lot of money. Taxes is the last thing that Bill Gates has to worry about.

But please read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The foundation does have a Mission Statement.
With a mission statement - that is what the foundation does.

The foundation Mission Statement will state what the foundation does and what it does not do.

Some billionaires do try and hide money. I think Bill Gates isn't one of them.

News conference replay?
 

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers?

Made me think of this thread.

Wait... where are you taking this thread... The theme of the video was to imply and correctly so... Wake up America you are about to get slammed with a virus that will kill thousands. You are not prepared.

Who should have listened to this warning? I don't care what political party. The message was wake up it is coming at you. Be forewarned. But no one believed this could happen.

Listen to the video again....TED is the organization sponsor. Why did this fall by the way side. No one or organization promote that this could happen. But it did!

Really... a talking head. He tried to alert our government. No one listened. And here we are five years later.... thousands dying every day. But no one listened. Probably because he is a billionaire and is promoting his theory to his benefit. What went wrong here? This should not have happened. Did his message not get heard?

Hmmm... and exactly whom was large and in charge of our country then? I guess hope and change “trumped” gates’ dire predictions...

Sad
 

This is lame. At least take a few seconds to educate yourself before posting such a silly attack against a guy who has donated upwards of 30 billion dollars to good causes all over the world. A talking head? Makes zero sense if you have the slightest clue as to what this guy has been doing with his billions over the last many years.

Sure, all are entitled to opinions but don’t just drag down the discourse of this forum with this drivel. You can do better.

Which warnings should we take seriously?
 

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

Sorry...I can't swallow the "grape juice" of the world of billionaire "foundations"
Drink up, sheeple! :laugh:

Truth in what you say!
 

While there is truth in what you say, it simply proves the fact that there are two sides to every coin.

Consider:
-The Gates video still makes Trump's statement of the virus being unpredictable sound foolish.
-What if heeding the prediction was the coin side chosen?

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

A Different Kind of Conquer...
 

It does make one think! :(

You can find people warning us about a lot of things as humans we tend to do nothing till it is in the now.

For example how many people think Nasa is a waste of money? Know how many times people have warned that eventually a giant rock is going to hit earth as a statical eventuality.

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

You do realize NASA does much more than space exploration. They’re also involved with the development of the sensors placed on environmental satellites, as well as the launching of those satellites.


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I agree. The tax dodges by some wealthy people and corporations are outrageous. When companies have gigantic departments dedicated to figuring out how to reduce tax liabilities, something's really messed up

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

You have been lied too
 

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

In addition to cooking the books, they cooked jobs, businesses, livelihoods and mental stability. The repercussions of this crafty “cooking” will be overwhelming beyond belief.

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

Thank you for typing out my thoughts. There is no way to be prepared for every possible threat we face. I do believe we can be better prepared to react.

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

Yes, but that is not the point I am making. I am simply saying there are a million things we should be better prepared for but no one wants to spend the money or effort until the problem is in the here and now.

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

I will give my definitive answer on September 1; although I reserve the right to label this date as aspirational.

A. I was not referring to anyone on this forum. I certainly am not talking to or about you. Not sure how you even stretch that far unless you believe yourself guilty of it.

B. I said "now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn" meaning that I sure hope that some people get to crow that it was not that bad, over-hyped, etc because then less people will have died.

You never had an original question with me, but I will answer. Do I agree with all of the policy decisions made by Trump? No. Do I agree with some? Yes. Fingers are going to be pointed in many directions over the next few years, should be interesting.

We are never going to be prepared for everything, it is impossible. But we can be better prepared to react decisively and quickly. We can have general processes in place that can be adapted to an emergency situation of most any type. Easier said than done, and the bigger the organization, the more difficult the task.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but I am tired of all of the coulda, shoulda, would haves being slung all over the news, FB, and here on this forum.

I said it a month ago, that if everyone who was complaining about shutting down the economy get's to say "I told you so" then we know we got it right.
We saved a lot of lives but for some people that's not equitable.

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

Agree. So let's say the "Big One" comes in the next month - perhaps the Cascadian subduction zone ( a magnitude 9.0 event happened in 1700) or one of the numerous faults through CA. Are we prepared? How do you prepare for something that may or may not happen in your lifetime - with absolutely no firm data indicating the date or severity? Yes, pandemics and natural disasters happen - but predicting and preparing for all of them is the challenge.

STo date 105,525 deaths reported - Worldwide. Quite a way to go to get to millions.
To date 18,586 deaths in the United States.

I assumed you meant me because you posted directly below a post in which I was critical of Trump.

I agree on the difficulty of all this for the government.

One interesting thing though is that we both believe the past couple of weeks has made it obvious that we were right and the other side will have to concede it was wrong. I've put up a bunch of posts that assert it's become clear that the shutdown was right and/or that Trump believes in it. Your latest post seems to say it's now clear the shutdown was wrong.

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Your meaning is well expressed, and taken.

I would suggest that the President's job, however, is to make the BEST DECISION (not RIGHT DECISION he/she can make) based on...

Also- Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Some called it treasonous. This, too, was/is historic in scope. Considering the times, was this the RIGHT/BEST DECISION? Was he a fool?

Obama warned us in 2014???
 

My liberal friends have told me Obama was one year ahead of Bill Gates...

If true, he did nothing?

Bill Gates said "it will be"
 

I'd like to throw out a few thoughts after reading on this subject recently. There is a Strategic Defense Supply designated for just such occurrences. However it was depleted during the last two pandemics and not filled during the budget sequestration during Obama's term. Also, a lot of the items have expiration dates on them so they need to be replenished if not used. Kinda catch 22 situation. I remember they had to waiver the expiration date on N95 masks taken out of storage in order to use them. Plenty of blame to go around.

UK Media Going Where MSM Will Not?
 

US taxpayers helped fund the Wuhan virus:
:eek:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-message-field

Video, but not "that other" Epoch Times video:

https://www.brighteon.com/c2b4f632-7...3-8d27f4d980b6

So...more and more news now coming to light that US scientists working along with Chinese scientists cabled home for monetary assistance to help “tighten up”
hazardous conditions at the Wuhan China labs in fear that “something dangerous” might escape...I wonder if Bill Gates knew something about this “work” in order to be able to predict it to happen? Hmmm...time will tell. Stay tuned...

and yet, Bill can't keep windows virus free. :rolleye2:

Cooking The Books...
 

EMT, responding to addresses where people were "showing signs"...responded by sending those citizens back into their houses. :eek:

NY TIMES:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...lection=Health

Now, will those now-awesome numbers of "died at home" be counted as Wuhan-virus?

I'm not one to care about peoples' previous post histories, but my feeling here is this post is beneath you- kinda trollish.

Just saying.

It’s NEWS Mr Jeep...just news...and it’s all coming to light.
No troll here...no more than anyone else.

Yeah, actually the governors shut down the states.

One Million Masks—New England Patriots
 

New England Patriots private jet flew a million N-95 masks in from China. (Not sure if they've turned out to be the less effective KN-95 masks).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-milli...ne-11585821600

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? .... :patriot:

George Bush did in 2005, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA

Gates 4/2 Interview with Daily Show Host, Trevor Noah
 

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.

Some of your post may have been news.
It was the "I wonder if Bill Gates knew something..." that isn't news, and rang negatively.

I don't think you are a troll, at all- which is why I used the term "trollish".

It's all good- lots of opinions floating around here, there and everywhere!

So... how long before Dennis Rodman starts taking credit for all the PPE from China?

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's
I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

Depopulation isn't always bad
 

While I wasn't familiar with Gates' position on GMO's, its worth a look. Not a black and white issue, but not supported by a premise based on his position on depopulation.

The negative interpretation of Gates' depopulation comment is one that appears to originate from unscrupulous reporting. Snopes rates that position as false. According to Snopes, the malicious spin was reported by NewsPunch, a conspiracy rag, and spread like a virus from there. As usual, nuances matter. Depopulation can be the result of many things, including famine, war, disease or choice. Choice is good, right? Freedom and all that! Gates meant choice. Vaccines, along with a stable food supply, leads to lower child mortality, which leads people to choose to have fewer "spare" children. Voila, gradual depopulation. The article falsely said that Gates wants to kill 350,000 people per day, leading many to associate Gates with the bad ways the world might depopulate.

As with many conspiracy theories, there is a grain of truth that mutates into clickbait fallacies. Insidious, but all too common.

There will be wariness about Covid-19 vaccines, especially in the first year or two. Everyone will have to weigh the risks, including their age and medical conditions, along with how prevalent the virus is once the vaccines are available.

Since all postings here should have a lakes region spin, let's look at the impact of depopulation on our area. Build-out analysis, looking 50 years out, implies that the lake water quality and rural character cannot be sustained. Something has to give. Many parts of the world are having similar problems. Long term, population growth does not appear to be sustainable. Reducing growth by choice, rather than by war, depression and disease is an attractive alternative.

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

Nailed it.
The problem with Common Core is that it was built from the top down, which appears to be Gates' MO. I mean, doesn't that explain every terrible user experience on Microsoft platforms? Anyone remember Millennium Edition?!

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And you're dissing Bill Gates because...?

Agreed. Nobody's perfect (and Windows kind of sucks, haha). But he did enormous work for the revolution in computers, and he's dedicating billions to help solve some of our toughest problems.

Thanks!
 

I understand the concerns with Common Core- but the two "education" posts (respectfully noted from educator families) seem way off topic in this thread.

Maybe you computer more than I do, but Windows is comfortable for me!

10 Days Ago...
 

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS: :eek:

Nope...
 

You ain't drivin' from anywhere in California to Boston in 36 hrs...No matter how many drivers you have.

One year ago today, I left San Francisco and drove to Meredith posting the experience on the Forum...Well over 3,400 miles. Took me 5 1/2 days driving more than 10 hrs/day...It was fun then.

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

My doctor says don't do that!
 

Drivel? I Don't Think S0...
 

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when? :rolleye1:

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Have to agree. Or maybe joking.

Reminds of the skit where John Cleese is attempting to get a fishing license for his pet fish named Eric.

"I am not a Loonie".

FISHING LICENSE

"Super Bug" Has US Fingerprints, Unfortunately...
 

Thanks to the this year's virus and empty roadways, the record is now just 25 hours.

("Unofficial").

Since nothing specific was part of the above question, I suspect this paragraph is in contention for "drivel"?

I'd already opined (earlier) that the U.S. taxpayer had a part in developing the COVID-19 virus. Now it's seen that as fact. :eek2:

So—which part is "drivel"?

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money! :laugh::laugh:

Dare I say that's embarrassing to FLL!

—And Bill Gates, Others...
 

American taxpayers paid for it during a "scandal-free" administration:

APS quotes are so confusing!
 

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

Could Be Context?
 

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed. :rolleye2:

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...you posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

agree time to kill this thread
 

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into
nonsense.
Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.

You can see by the recent posted images there is a lot of anger here. The thread started out ok ....... but its so far off track now it can not be saved.

I do not want to elaborate beyond this.

Could Be Context?
 

Here are listed 20 books warning of pandemics:

https://www-vulture-com.cdn.ampproje...mic-books.html

What makes Bill Gates' recent revelations so special?

As already mentioned ........

It was the cartoon, right? :rolleye2:

We've been given a long leash in this COVID-19 forum, and I still hope to read a retort by member FlyingScot.

Instead, the easily-confused intend to prevail over those who think their local governments have stepped on their Constitutional Rights.

The MSM show video from an Italian hospital, and present the images as New York City hospitals.

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

https://images.app.goo.gl/UE2BKxKb7vgbEthT7

Surfers, strollers, hikers, picnickers and fishermen are banned, and the right to "peaceably assemble" is exercised at state capitols. (But called "demonstrations").

I think Americans have the right to be offended by government proclamations. It's impossible to keep politics out of such egregious and unnecessary regulation.

It's sad that Americans will continue to die from COVID-19, but Europe (affected first) is stabilizing.

Sweden, which kept restaurants open, and has retained its excellent economy, is being rewarded for doing practically nothing against COVID-19!

It appears that Dr. Knut Wittkowski has been right all this time.
:look:

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

Really? Why doesn't that surprise me?

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

"We choose truth over facts"! ... Joe Biden, August 2019, in a speech in Iowa.:laugh:

Who knew his foundation would be infecting us. Wow

A Medium-Length Read...
 

My chosen ideology combines Logic and Reason.

Yours? :rolleye2:

Bill Gates (and Melinda) are very concerned and tell us what to expect; for example, a renewal of the virus in the fall. :(

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...dern-pandemic/

No BS—No Fake Expert—Not Close...
 

The discussions have been long and (after a fashion) peer-reviewed by several others at the same forum. This particular quote does not involve [Retired Army doctor], but it includes a salute to his knowledge located at many other threads, plus attempting to educate thousands at this forum who are not inclined towards medicine.

Now that I think of it, the forum is mostly US military men and women who speak of China as our existential enemy. (Just as I do).

Since I am not a medical clinician, perhaps others here can confirm the validity of the text below. (Which is tiny portion of the hundreds of COVID-19 threads going on there).

My comments are [bracketed], and there were a few typos which I've corrected:

It was at this same site that I found the "Copy and Carry This Proven Procedure" Winni thread-starter.

I sent that link to a neighbor, a doctor. She replied, as below:

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/...stein-meetings

So what's the difference?
 

From Flying Scott- As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Someone tells someone else that I know you (even though only through this forum), which I don't.

If/when it got published (by you?), will/should I be shunned?

Unlike Mr. Trump


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Still your President! Unlike Mr. Obama

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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Lol...still triggered after all these years...
I, for one don’t care if anyone ever “releases” their tax returns. Businessmen and politicians alike would love to keep their dirty laundry hidden for a myriad of reasons. Can’t blame them.