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What do most people do for a living?
My husband and I are pondering a move to the area and wonder what do most people do for a living? I work for a pharmaceutical company and he is in IT currently. We are ready to leave the rat race and live a quiet life. Help!
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Welcome,hustonbecky......hope you are successful in finding something.There is not a better place on the planet to raise a family,work or retire.Only thing is,there's not much industry or tech firms in the area.The engine that drives our economy is tourism and hospitality related business'.If you have special skills that are in demand,it's worth checking out in Laconia or even Concord is not too bad a commute.Or why not try your own small business?
Everyone wants to live here,but earning a living is the key. |
Hospitality
IMHO, I think hospitality related jobs are common around the Lakes. Restaurants, hotels, etc. Also, retail jobs had been good, where NH has no sales tax, but that is generally more concentrated by the major highways (I-93) and the borders. But, it's all a gamble in this market, really.
Having said that, three NH towns were just named "most recession proof towns" by Forbes magazine (between 10,000 and 50,000 popoulation: Concord, Lebanon and Keene. |
My husband commutes to Dover-which is about an hour away. I am fortunate to be able to work from home-for now but I am not sure how long that will last.
Good Luck- Nicole |
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Hubby is a public high school teacher (AP Math) and teaches summer school during the summer "break". He also plays guitar/sings in a band that gigs on occasion.
I work mostly from home designing web sites, forms, documents, etc. and specialize in recording town and school meetings (video & meeting minutes.) It sounds "dry" but I do like my work! I also work per diem at a local hospital (quality). BTW - you mentioned you'd worked for a pharmaceutical company... have you considered checking out a DME company? There's several in the area and they're always growing! Also, IT jobs are best found in the seacoast area. I used to work for Liberty Mutual in their data center in Portsmouth - they're a good employer! |
Thanks everybody!
I appreciate your replies. I hope we are neighbors next summer!:)
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There's about 140 employees at the large Freudenburg NOK factory tucked away in the woods on the Gilford- Laconia border who will soon be out of work when it closes. Freudenburg has different factories in Ashland, Laconia, and Bristol, and makes automobile parts made of polyelastic injected silicone, or something. The huge sales drop in suv's and pickup trucks is the reason.
Could be difficult to replace 140 factory jobs that paid.....not sure about this...$18/h, or so. How much do chairlift loaders get? Best NH bet...get a job working for the NH town.....any NH town....for the total pay and benefits included. |
Stay where you are save, save, save and try to retire early. ;)
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I am a security consultant- as long as I am connected to the 'net and have my mobile phone, I can work. The hard part is concentrating on work when surrounded by the beauty of the lakes region! |
$18.00/hour is a very good paying job for the Lakes Region, and I understand that Freudenberg NOK in Laconia had a few husband-wife employee couples where both will be losing their jobs. Wow and double wow....ouchy ouch ouch!
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How to make a living
Houston,
Your husband can most likely get a job anywhere. In the last year several large Lakes Region employers have hired senior level IT folks, and more mid-level people. My company has a division that specializes in placing IT people and they are doing fine...that may change, but by the time you are ready to actually commit to relocate, the economy could be on the upswing again. Timing is everything. The IT job won't be the challenge -- pharma will be. Definitely check out what others herein recommend -- DME, medical facilities (healthcare will continue to grow in a down economy), medical device manufacturers, etc. A good friend is a clinical data manager and worked a 6-month gig with a firm in Cambridge...much pharma and contractors in that area. While Boston may be a tough commute from the Lakes Region for you, there is the option of relocating along the 93 corridor in Southern NH and getting that much closer to the lakes region. Manchester is an hour from Boston (without traffic -- commuter traffic may increase that by car by 30-45 minutes, the there are trains you can take from the northern burbs). Good luck, GB |
Shortage of Livable-wage jobs in NH
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You may find the original report of value. Various charts of jobs, average hourly wages (by county), and much more cost of living and work related information HERE (.pdf). Good luck. |
Jobs
Theres always day trading LOL :D
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...fired for doing push-ups!
Here's my rant. It's sad but true, it's all about a forum poster that you all know....namely ME....fatlazyless!
"So if the customer looks out their window, what they'll see is the oil delivery guy doing push-ups in their back yard. In all my years in the oil business, that is totally weird and bizzare. Like, does the UPS guy stop and do push-ups when he does a delivery? How's it all look and does it inspire confidence in my oil company" (quote my boss) Started a brand new, home heating oil delivery job on Monday for an un-named Lakes Region heating oil company. Training pay- $10/h.; After training- $15/h, and I was stunned to get canned for doing 12 push-ups out in a customer's back yard, while doing an oil fill-up, totally out of sight, and with nobody home. My trainer was right there and did not say a word at the time, until the next day when he tells the boss. I get no second chance, despite my lengthy claim of ignorance about not doing push-ups and request for a second chance. Where-o-where did I go so wrong by doing push-ups......12 push-ups....one time.....with no second chances......boo-hoo! I could not believe I got canned over this. I was like....be carefull of the customer's landscaping plants, absolutely do not drip any oil, not one drop, and drive safe-drive safe-drive safet.....safety 1st & last...always driver safety....so I did 12 push-ups just to unwind a little on the back yard next to the oil fill pipe. Ok Boss, just tell me once and I won't do it again. So, it 'no way...you will not be working here....what a bummer! ...end of my unemployment rant!:confused: |
I'll bite
Sorry FLL, but not much sympathy here. In all my years of living in a house that had oil heat, and having been present for many oil deliveries, I never saw the delivery man do anything but stand right by the tank (outside) or the filler pipe (inside tank). Not having been trained as an oil delivery person, but I would assume they did that so that if anything happened to the delivery process, they would be in the best position to mitigate any damages.
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Well, FLL, I think that is a little better than a driver saying to the boss at a meeting: "Well, sometimes you get a little tired and you have to pull over and take a little nap." Also better than SEEING a driver pulled over on a secluded road taking a "little nap" while on the job. This is local driver, not long haul or cross country.
But although very serious to you, I did get a chuckle over your post. I never heard that one before. |
gotta side with FLL on this
if this went down as described, its rather petty. What's next? Is stretching your legs allowed? Can you do a couple of jumping jacks to get the blood flowing? Clap your hands together to ward off the cold? Driving a truck around can cause you to stiffen up a little.
No - what it really sounds like is that the push-up incident was the excuse for wanting him gone. Really now, if any of us at our jobs were tossed for doing a dozen pushups we'd be incensed... At minimum I think everyone would expect a "don't do it again" talk. There has to be more to this story |
more to stroy
While I would agree there may be more to this story, I would say this...
First, of course a warning should have been in order, along with an explanantion of company standards. However, I can see where the company is coming from. They are selling a product that the customer "has to buy". No maybes....if you want heat/hot water, you need our product. Of course, there are choices as to which company to use. But prices are all pretty close. That being said, people are probably all ready pretty freaked out when they see the oil truck pull up. Sort of like, "well, I hope we can find this 500/600 dollars". Which, of course, would natually lead to some resentment of this strange man entering my yard. After all, he is not providing heat, what he is doing is leaving a bill for $600, which we don't have. So, I would imagine oil companies are well in tune with the plight of today's oil comsumer, and would realize that the last thing said comsumer needs to see, is the oilman doing pushups as the tank fills. Just looks wrong. Kinda like "No worries, might as well get a little exercise here!" Just stand at the ready, in case the nozzle comes loose. Make sense? |
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So, did FLL forget the no push-up part of his trainning instructions or did his new employer forget to mention that part during FLL's trainning instructions? Sounds like FLL's on-the-job trainer was a bit remiss in FLL trainning instructions, too - lets FLL exercise, then rats him out to the boss, after-the-fact. My vote goes to the firing of the trainer; not the trainee. A bit difficult to fly with the eagles, when you are flying with a pack of buzzards... |
It was only the third day on the job, and I was very committed to becoming a trusted and faithfull employee, looking at the $15/h plus overtime. Plus, it is a relatively easy job....much easier than painting, masonry, carpentry, ceramic tile, or landscaping. Hey, I'm a healthy 57 year old....I'm healthy as a horse, and just as smart!
For customers looking to get their home's 275 gal tank filled with #2 heating oil, what seemed to matter the most was the price. $2.999/gal-150gal minimum-paid on delivery, and 3.099/gal-125 gal minimum-paid on delivery are a lot less than the prices of last July and the phone was ringng. No money-no oil........(period)! I found this job via a classified in the Laconia Daily Sun. To drive an oil or gasoline tanker, one needs a cdl driver's license w/ tanker, air brakes, and hazadous material endorsements. Plus, the Dept of Homeland Security has a very new requirement, a TWIC, transportation worker's identity credential. I've read that something like 110% of all US truck drivers change jobs every year, and 50% of truckers are cigarette smokers. When I got the bad news that I was being terminated....it's 8am....I walk into the little office, and after a couple minutes of me standing there, my boss gets up off the phone, looks at me....and says we need to talk, outside....we step outside....he takes one very long last inhale on his cigarette.....flicks the still lit ciggie out onto the yard....takes a long hard look at me.......finger-points.....and he says...."YOU WERE DOING PUSH-UPS!:rolleye1::eek: Oh well, time to move on: will unchock the wheeels, set it into second gear, and slowly roll forward, looking for the next job. Say, there's a reason why 110% of US truckers switch jobs each year. |
FLL. What next? This is the first I have heard of the TWIC! What is it? Is it just for oil or gas tanker drivers? What will they think of next? They have so many requirements for trucker's, it is ridiculous.
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www.tsa.gov/twic As far as I know, it is needed to bring a tanker past the security gate at the Irving and Sprague oil-gasoline-diesel terminals on the NH seacoast.
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Hmmm. Interesting. Thanks for the link, Fll. You need an awful lot of things to be a truck driver! The sad thing is, I wonder how much all of this extra stuff helps.
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I 'm also a driver (CDL-A, tractor-trailer) ; actually, semi-retired but still working ... for a public utility ... and liking my job in Concord!
However, the point about truck drivers have a plethora of laws (state/federal), requirements, etc. that need to be addressed is a fact. Peruse the Code of Federal Regulations... http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...section_type=A ... for some examples. My motor vehicle license was up for renewal this year, and in addition to retaking the Hazardous Materials test, part of the new requirements (Patriot Act) was to file a form with the Feds., have the FBI do a background check, be fingerprinted, and placed into the Federal database as a driver with a Hazmat endorsement on his license. This the standard practice ... not extraordinary due to any other circumstance. |
What do I do?? Real Estate Broker
Making it $$ in MA spending it in NH!!:laugh:
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If nothing else I'm certainly impressed with FLL doing pushups!
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Jobs and FLL
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Look at the listings in the of jobs and what the average pay is at the links in the livable wage post. One of the better paying jobs is nurse. You might want to check out the wages there. No wonder locals are complaining about the property tax. The average wage is low. I remember someone said that there was a picture of FLL in the forum fest pictures of 2006 or 7. Can anyone point him out so we can see what the push ups have done for him? |
I don't believe he has been captured yet and displayed on this forum.I may disagree with most of his logic but he is pretty entertaining.
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Fll
I remember Island Girl once saying he took her out to Rattlesnake late in the season, and was able to find this picture...
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...3033-1024w.jpg In case you can't make out the face, here is a better one! http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...3050-1024w.jpg (that was January 2007) Sort of like the neighbor "Wilson" on the old Tim Allen show... |
FLL can't be too poor living on the lake. Even owning his place which he has said he does is quite a feat. I'm not so sure I agree with the getting fired bit but it was kind of a dumb thing to be doing in someones yard during work. Remember the home owner wasn't home. I mean maybe after two or three years on the job but 3 days!!! :eek:
Still can't understand why FLL doesn't get employment at WalMart (really not kidding.) Probably doesn't pay enough in his mind. |
Okay, can we stop the personal attacks?
Why do some of you insist on letting things devolve this way. Stop it please.
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So, if your husband is in IT I would look to Liberty Mutual in Dover. By far the biggest and best outfit in these parts. I travel to LM from Alton Bay every day and the commute of 45 minutes is not bad at all. As for pharmaceutical companies, you may find limited results. Lonza does come to mind, but I would try to expand your search to include any variations that may possibly be in the area? I remember being in the same place as you several years ago. Think there might even be a thread I posted some time ago on this very same topic! In any case, if you want to move bad enough, you will make it happen. I wish you good luck and if you have any questions, feel free to ask! |
Alton Guy...
...I agree with you. If you're passionate about something, go after it. Nice to hear a positive person!
Fatlazyless...I can't believe you were fired. Did anyone ever tell you specifically NOT to do push-ups? That's crazy. I work for a very large telecommunications company and you wouldn't believe what some employees do...goto the movies, a bar, out to eat, Fenway, Boston Garden, have "visits" from the wife (in a company vehicle), do their bills, shop, nap (regularly), take the T to a different part of the city, go home, goto the doctor's/dentist/chiro, etc. Pretty crazy, huh? I'm actually writing a screenplay about a day in the life of a phone guy. I'll probably (no, definitely) get fired (and lose several friends in the process), but oh well. Do what you love and everything else will follow. Dream Out Loud! |
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What I was told by my trainer as we drove around in the oil delivery truck was "to listen to the vent whistle and stay close to the delivery nozzle." As I was doing 12 push-ups during a delivery of 150 gallons to a very nice farm-residence at the top of Leavitt Rd in Belmont, my head was two feet from the nozzle delivery, with my ear to the vent, and I was listening to the vent whistle, intently.
It was a 150 gal order, so the pump set to shut off at 150 gal. The oil tank inside the basement holds 275 gal. The vent pipe is next to the fill pipe, outside the house. The tank has a vent whistle which whistles as air is diplaced by delivered oil. When the whistle stops, the delivery guy needs to shut off the nozzle, at the nozzle control, on the nozzle. I was listening intently, as I did 12 push-ups on the grass, about two feet from the fill-pipe, and vent-pipe.. My trainer, who was right there, should have said, "say, don't be doing push-ups, just stand there and listen to the whistle." But, he says nothing to me, and tells the boss the next morning. In thinking about it now, it probably would have been much more acceptable for me to just stand there and smoke a cigarette, while fueling the tank. My trainer smoked cigarettes constantly, Pall Mall after Pall Mall, in the blue Pall Mall box, all day long. So's, maybe doing push-ups just seemed a little odd to him as a 50-something smoker. Even left two packs of Pall Malls perched on the little dashboard ledge, right in front of me, like a temptation to smoke, or something? Could be? As a newly hired employee on the second day at the job, it seems to me that I would have a reasonable expectation that my trainer was there to train me. I'm not a mind reader, you know, and as a new hire I was looking to follow instructions. I wanted to become a seasonal oil delivery driver from October to April, for $15/h & ot. with hope to become an oil burner technician. As a new trainee just starting the job, I was getting paid $10/h. ....... For what it's worth, I just received my paycheck for the two days work in yesterday's mail. And, it was a business check imprinted with a security imprinter, and lo & behold, it was NOT SIGNED.....no signature....empty space where the signature goes..... so I have returned it by mail so it can be signed. How about that? |
FLL, my take is pretty simple.
Was it fair? No, probably not. Was it legal? Yup, it sure was. NH is an "at-will" state. That means that a company can pretty much fire anyone they want, for what they consider to be just cause. I won't speculate what their just cause was in your case. |
At-Will
Actually at-will means exactly that. The employer needs absolutely no reason to fire an employee, the employee has a job simply because he's provided one and has no job protections other than standard discrimination protections.
The boss can fire any one at any time with no reason needed. The flip side is the employee can do the exact same thing. |
:offtopic:another perfectly good thread hijacked.
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FLL...You want to be a burner technician? Go to school for that, has nothing to do with driving a truck first. Well maybe you were working to save the money, don't know that. I mean if someone wants to become a landscaper they don't start working for Toro assemblying mowers! I'm serious, not trying to be sarcastic.
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Sadly, I couldn't agree with you more Mink Islander & McDude....:(
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hijack?
Ok, so maybe this is indeed a bit of a hijack...but, seriously...
The original poster got several great answers, and thanked everyone in post #7. That being said, an interesting story was told by FLL, which drew some reaction. And a few "all in good fun" responses. Really, what's the harm? I would bet Houstonbecky took no offense. As long as it is not vicious, I see no problem. Just my dollar fifty. |
I hate to do this...
Yes, this has been highjacked.... (PS.. I really like most of FLL's posts)
I'm going to try to get it back on track... because it's a great thread, posted by a new member looking for Lakes Region info. ( IMHO think that's what we should be all about) Houston.. We moved here 22+ years ago.. I was, and still am, in Medical Equiptment Sales.. (DME as Gravy Boat said) If, and a big if, you are willing to "travel" NH is a great place for salespeople. A neighbor is an airline pilot, he told me the same thing.. airlines tax you where you live. My company sees me as a NH resident and dosen't require I pay MA state taxes even tho the "headquarters" of the company is in MA. My office is in NH.. (Home office). Same as 100's of pilots... they live in NH and are taxed by NH law and rules. Even if they "fly" out of Boston. Plenty of national sales jobs in DME/RX in NH, if you're willing to spend 2-3 nights a week "traveling". Lot's of local Medical Supply places looking for good help. Good Luck!... NH is a GREAT place to really "Live" SteveA |
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Yes, I did go to school to be a burner technician at New England Fuel Institute, Watertown, Mass. Six weeks, full time in 2007 and did very well.. No luck getting a burner technician job, so hope to get a foot in the company door as a cdl home delivery driver.
I don't really know, but it could be that having a Winnipesaukee waterfront address on my cdl driver's license may not be too helpfull applying around for service jobs. 'Oh, that's down the Neck and on the water....huh?" Could be that it is not what you know, but who you know, and where you live. |
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...Avon calling?
Hey there, looking at yesterday's , Friday, Laconia Citizen's classified section, it has all of nine 'help wanted' classified ads, and one is be selling Avon products, door to door.
So, this inquiring mind is just wondering as to where is a good listing board, for a local, Lakes Region job? The classifeds in winnipesaukee.com are loaded with boats and real estate, but almost never any jobs, so where-o-where to go for the job listings. You know, there's plenty of employed people in the Lake's Region so there must be some hiring, somewhere, around here?:):):) ....... Say, here's a thought. November is way too cold for exterior painting but it is still a good month for brush cutting and wood chipper work. Anyone with an island home in the vicinity of buoy 3, looking to get their lot cleared out and opened up just a little bit....you know.....those skinny little nothing trees and bushes that grow real fast and like to steal moisture away from the better quality and larger pine and oak trees.......give me a holler for some brush cutting & wood chipper work.....out on the islands. Have old work boat, and will be happy to putt-putt out to your island hide-a-way! cheznous2@msn.com |
Have you tried 'monster.com' ? I know they tend to be larger companies, but heck, many large companies have a gym plan included :)
Seriously, you might try some local employment agencies, if you don't mind someone else finding a job for you. |
online job search
The Citizen (Foster's) online search is better than the print copy
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll...tegory=citjobs Jobs in NH http://www.jobsinnh.com/ Salmon Press generally has a whole lot of nothing http://www.meredithnhnews.com/1Class...oup=y&-nothing monster is full of southern NH stuff, not much for up here, but it's worth a look. Times are tough out there, apparently I'm overqualified for everything. Being laid off sucks.:( Good luck finding something. |
Work
Plumbing and heating bus. is slow as are many other trades, at least around the lake. It helps to have a few irons in the fire..Ive done ok lately day trading.
Pushups? You need to play along on the job.. check the oil on the truck or wipe off the hose etc but just make it look like your focused on work. If you were working for me and doing pushups id have to think how much time you are wasting during the day with non work related activities.. fired? probably not but you would be talked too about the whole "being at work" thing. :D |
Although you can certainly make a living in the Lakes Region, many people who live in the towns around the lake commute to the seacoast area, Concord, Manchester, Boston, etc. for the more high-end jobs.
Hubby and I picked Alton because he works in Bristol and I was working in Portsmouth and it was the perfect "middle ground" at the time. It has had the lowest property taxes in the state, most of the time, and has a great little school system. We love our community! |
Alton is not one of the lowest-tax towns
I was surprised to read that Alton taxes were low compared to the rest of the state, because my initial reaction would be that this would not be the case.
if you look here: http://www.teamjacksonre.com/images/2007taxrates.pdf you will see that Alton is about is in the middle of the pack with a rate of $10.57 |
No offense taken to the off topic by FLL
Hey FLL,
It sounds like jobs are hard to come by in the region and it seems to me you were fired for a silly reason. Good luck finding another one in this tight economy. Thanks for all of the on topic responses. I especially appreciate the job postings links. We need to sell our house here in Texas next spring and then we will be ready to commit to moving. :) |
FLL: Did you put in an application at Hannafords?
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Yes, myself and about 80 others, is what I heard.
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How about this... ?
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I can't easily work with the data in the table you provided but I can tell you there's only four other towns in the Lakes Region with taxes lower than Alton. Alton is at $10.57 - not the median at all. There are 142 towns on your list and 16 of them do not pay property tax because they're a "purchase", "notch", or other similar listing. That means there are 126 towns contributing taxes. There are only twenty-five out of the 126 towns on that list that have property taxes lower than Alton in 2007 and five of those towns (including Alton) are in the Lakes Region. That means that Alton is in the top fifth of the towns in the state for the lowest taxes. |
Don't be confused by the numbers
Just because a town has a low tax "rate" doesn't necessarily mean it has low taxes.The number to look at is the actual amount paid compared to what the "true" evaluation of the property is.
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Sign of the times
I am another victim of the slow economy. After 34 years with the defense industry, I am force to retire. Seems like everytime we get a democratic majority the defense industry gets hit hard.
Even after 34 years, the pension is not enough to make ends meet. My 401K suffered a 40% loss recently and so have my stock option plan and mutual funds. To top it all off, my tenants are moving South as there are no job prospects in the Lake Region area. My dream was to retire in the condo I rented out in Laconia. Sell or rent my Hooksett condo. That would be realized if I could work another 6 years. After a lot of research on the job market, NH no longer have much to offer. There are a few jobs along the sea coast but not much elsewhere. I was hoping for a part time accounting/finance position to supplement my retirement. I've yet to find one. I think the 'baby boomers' are going to find it rough for the next few years. |
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I hear what you're saying but that's something that can change year by year within a town and how they decide to tax you. When we moved here seven years ago our tax assessment was below market value. When the market inflated, our tax assessment was the same as the market value. I hate to think how this is going to be figured next year! |
Exactly my point AW.In fact,I just recieved my tax bill for Bedford and my rate actually went down a few cents.Imagine that!It's all relative.
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