[ApS]

Originally Posted by Mee&Mac (and all other unattributed quotes)

No doubt I'll regret stepping into your whine session but just to clarify a few things ...

I'm a gearhead and a racer; sometimes you'll note a whine that becomes a roar. The Internet is changing things worldwide.

Much beyond that and well within the "Madrasah limit" you'll can find boats that endanger passengers and docks. Besides I bet you could cram at least 10 people into your boat if you applied yourself I counted 8 in a 12' aluminum rowboat this last July 4'th in Wolfeboro, c'mon you could beat that !

I consider three adults a maximum for a 12-foot boat.

BTW - if you read the comments you've notice the boat is reputed to be a Baja 280 Sportfish, a center console fishing boat. With it's max of 2 x 250 HP outboards, it doesn't seem to be your stereotypical GFBL boat. I'd guess it'd top out over 60 mph, but below 70 mph, so I might say it's GF but with OBs it won't fit the definition of BL. And re: 1) too much boat ... Am I wrong or haven't you said you don't dislike the boats, you just think they don't belong here on Winni ... that they belong on the ocean ... like in FL ?

It's a 500HP outboard?

Not that it matters. It's just a little quieter as it rips through the docks. (Quieter still, if the 13 passengers would just stop their screaming).

That they should not be operated around tubers, divers, and skiers on closed, protected, inland waters is a lake sentiment shared by other, older, and possibly more traveled, Winnipesaukeeteers.

I fully agree with PBR ! While threads may tend to diverge from the original topic in this case I can't even see the stretch to get from Fountain flipping (a reasonable joke on prior post's wording) to a FL boating "accident". You simply saw this a opportunity to step on your favorite soapbox to the detriment of the person asking the original question. This is what I would label as "boorish". After all you could have simply started a new thread on your fav topic (except for 1 detail to be mentioned below), nothing sinister or limiting in that is there ? ...You missed one other thing it didn't have .... any relation to the Lakes region. Frankly since this news story has nothing to tie it to here or the topic that was being discussed you should count yourself lucky that Webmaster Don didn't yank it.

Here's a "search" for:
"Florida" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=15164 (Florida's everywhere -- very common)
"Utah" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=19194
"dolphins" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=15817
"shark" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=60377
"piranhas" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...ames;read=9581
"alligator" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...ames;read=9717, http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=37574
"crocodile" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=24860, or
"flamingo" http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=21012

1) Your "objectionable Baja news-story" was held back for nearly a month, and by then...the former thread was running on empty.

2) What do I do with my 22-pound, 7-ounce bass story...caught outside Winnipesaukee yesterday?
With this 113-pound catfish story caught outside Winnipesaukee recently ?
This $25,000 insurance-policy boat story that could be in Winnipesaukee in two months?
That FL GFBLs will be out on the picket-line this weekend, demonstrating to force the shutting down of NWZs statewide?

I wait: For the next opportunity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Acres per Second
It's the "Driver"?
If Acres per Second became a really, really, REALLY drunk "driver", it is impossible to endanger 13 passengers in my "boat". (Or, for that matter, slice through even one dock). Errr, OK but what exactly is your point ?

I'd like to think that we Winnipesaukee boaters aren't allowing ourselves to become blind to irresponsible boating behavior. Will there be headlines next summer? You bet there will be.

It's easier to see the irresponsibilities from a sailboat, in which every sound, odor, and sight can be seen at a relaxed pace. A great way to "take-in" Lake Winnipesaukee delights, BTW.

You and I grew up in a day of wood boats. Though strong and light, you don't risk them, regardless of size.

Nowadays, you can take one fiberglass boat -- run over another fiberglass boat -- put it in a boathouse and polish-out the defects later. It's an insured "Dodgem-car" mentality.

Concurrent with the development of fiberglass boating is a certain risk-taking behavior in an increasingly-crowded Winnipesaukee environment. You may have read today that GFBL boats can run a $25,000 annual insurance premium. ("Yeah, it's high, but I've got a DUI...")

Are you trying to say that everyone should be restricted to rowboats and 10HP O/Bs ?

1) There are very desirable large lake locations elsewhere, with boat length restrictions, stringent noise restrictions, Jet-Ski restrictions, large public/tourist viewing areas, air quality restrictions, ATV-restrictions, and restrictive operation-near-shore regulations. (Example: All boats keep 600 feet in a NWZ from all shorelines).

All who have been to these locations will marvel at the natural -- and undiminishable -- beauty of those places. They pay property taxes that approximate Winnipesaukee's taxes too, and enforce the regulations. What a concept.

How is our "Live Free or Die" mentality any different than anarchy?
I'll take beauty.

2) Powerboat skippers seem to live in their own cocoon with no more than a 200-foot threshold.

With a modest engine, one can adjust course and speed to avoid a collision threat. In a sailboat, rowboat, kayak, canoe, or inflatable, there is no reserve. Last season, only two acknowledged my mirrored-signal to change course. But with increased speed comes greater responsibility -- not less. Who has not seen an increasing "Captain Bonehead" presence using GFBL boats?

3) I can live with the fact that the ice can destroy my dock; but no "skipper" should be operating a boat that can destroy five $10,000 docks at a time.

But we also know the same "drivers" will be out there again -- except maybe uninsured, and in still bigger, louder, GFBL boats.

Originally Posted by Will

"...BTW, your hobie cat and aluminum boat can't slash through docks like a 28 baja can, however its the idiots out in the channel with one of these who throw me off in my boat and I have to swerve to avoid that causes accidents. Maybe its me but out in front of the weirs is no place for some nut to be out in an aluminum boat."

Sounds like I need to stay home.

('Don't want to become known as "Killer ApS".)