[ApS]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

<<Big snip>>"...What will we be saying 30 years from now, in 2035? Economics will drive the answer, but if "we the people" make the right choices, future government leaders could redirect funds to soften the blow."

Here ApS is, tip-toeing around the answer, and Lakegeezer just hammers it.

Originally Posted by Mee'n'Mac

I guess I should have said APS theorizes not posited.

This appears to be an apology, but I can't find your having ever stated "that ApS posited".

Math and spatial relationships are my weakest suit, and I admire those who can engineer our future through Physics.

Don't the "auto-tracking" capabilities of solar arrays need to enter this equation (hopeless as it would appear from your figures)?

The photovoltaic obstacles are being overcome. Lately, panels are being produced as ribbons, which should increase production speed of photovoltaics -- and their applicability.

Nor is Earth-based solar energy the limit. There are energy-transmitting devices that can be put into Space with their output transmitted and distributed on Earth.

Originally Posted by ITD

This just doesn't sound right, if it is true someone should be all over it, conspiracy theories aside. Sources such as windmills also have down sides, noise, lethal to migratory birds.

True, but housecats have a far worse lethality-factor against birds. Cellphone towers are nearly as bad as cats. Skyscrapers kill millions -- like cats and cell towers. I'm astonished at the number of environmentalists who keep outdoor cats.

California environmentalists prepared a study on bird-kills at windmills and found an embarrassingly-low (to them) rate of bird-kills.

Originally Posted by ITD

Hydro electric requires massive dams and disruption of ecosystems, look at what happened to the wild salmon population in NE after all the rivers were dammed up

True, but how many of those NE dams were hydroelectric?

Originally Posted by Audiofn

"...I would guess that it is not a good thing to cover 100sq miles of the earth. As for wind, have you ever driven through the valley in California where they have all those windmills? Man it is amazing but not nice to look at..."

I have personally photographed them in 1983. It is truly amazing what they've put out there in the desert. Who's going to object? Mee'n'Mac's scorpions? Here's what another has to say on the subject:

“Altamont Pass provides one third of California’s wind power and enough electricity to power 200,000 households….Scientists estimate, however, that the 5,000 windmills spread over 50 square miles kill 4,700 birds every year.”

That’s it? Less than one bird per windmill per year! I could hardly believe my eyes. I mean, I’m used to the eccentricities and irrationalities of environmentalists, especially the young ones in college who have not yet had to deal with the real world. http://www.alcaidecafe.com/archives/000130.html

Every day domestic and feral cats kill three to five million birds. People think the feral cats do all the damage, but cat owners letting their cute pet outdoors to run harms birds as well. http://www.spacecoastaudubon.org/lim...n/mywatch.html

Originally Posted by Audiofn

"...You said that we do not see many beige [clean-non-polluting]tailpipes [the interiors of] on our boats. Well, take a look at every boat on the lake including outboards and you will find black. Now go take a look at your car's tail pipe. What color is it? BLACK. So I hope that when you walked back in your house you tossed the keys to that polluting monstrosity right in the trash...."

No-o-o-o-o-o, my truck (even though it is exempt from high-emission standards), has a brown tailpipe interior.

Who wouldn't fully expect a 2-cycle outboard exhaust port to be black? They are the world's worst polluters. Carbureted performance-tuned GFBLs shouldn't expect to have beige (clean) exhaust ports.

F.I., if stock, and tuned for the street vehicle from which they were derived, should NOT be black. If it's black -- it's not meeting America's better pollution standards. (And wasting gas -- if that matters).

Originally Posted by Audiofn

"...Do you really think that people that own $500+K boats do not keep them running at their optimum level? Ever take a look inside one? The bilges are cleaner then most peoples Kitchen counter tops...."

1) The bilges may be clean, but how else would you conduct a "Mutual Admiration Society" atmosphere -- otherwise?
"Wanna see my bilges? Huh? Huh? Wanna see?"

2) If you're so "clean", why are Federal-emission standards being proposed for GFBL boats? I'd prefer that the air I breathe at Winnipesaukee is clean.

Remember, all this domestic energy saving (wind, solar) would assist in more fossil fuel for recreation. It's not just "fun".

Being a news-junkie often pays off with revelations such as below. This is a solar-collector array in Bavaria. The panels turn to face the sun automatically. "Small" as it is, it produces 10MW.

With some irony, I note that it is American-made!