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Old 05-01-2005, 08:55 PM   #74
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Originally Posted by Woodsy
I stated why radar would not work as the Winnfab folks are proposing. This was not an opinion, merely scientific fact.
No, it was OPINION. In FACT, Winnfabs just proposes that it will work here as good as it does on other lakes, like Lake George, where it works well enough that their Director Barrett says "convictions are the norm". That's a FACT. It might be less accurate on water than on land, but that is not a problem for us. We are not expecting the MP to catch people going 46. If the marine radar being used on all the other lakes has an inaccuracy of even +/- 10, that would be fine for our purposes. Let someone tagged for going 90 tell the judge that he is innocent because the radar inaccuracy was +/- 10MPH.



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Originally Posted by Woodsy
I was backed up on my radar post by a few others with a bit more knowledge on how it works.
You were backed up by other speed limit opponents. I've seen no unbiased expert testimony that says marine radar is ineffective, and much that says it is effective enough for the intended purpose. Again, it is working "well enough" on every other Winnipesaukee-type lake in the country. That's the best evidence.



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Originally Posted by Woodsy
The reason Winnfabs haven't posted any facts to bolster your argument for a speed limit is because there isn't any compelling data whatsoever that indicates speed is an issue on Lake Winnipesaukee! I challenge you to stop the emotional rhetoric and actually post FACTS!
I thought we were through playing the "statistics" game? For the final time (And I mean final this time), I agree, there are no statistics that say any accident on Winnipesaukee has ever been caused by a boat going too fast....because there is currently no such thing as "too fast" on Winnipesaukee.



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Originally Posted by Woodsy
How "GFBL" boats don't belong on Winni.
Who said that? I never heard that position offered by Winnfabs. Again (and this is also the final time). This is about speed, not certain boats or the people who drive them. It is only about SPEED. Why do you feel the need to keep trying to paint this as something it is not?



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Originally Posted by Woodsy
There are no accident statistics that point to a problem with speed.
I said above was my final time playing the "statistics" game, and I meant it. But what do statistics have to do with it anyway? This is not about statistics, facts, or the need to prove a problem exists. This is about public opinion. NH's citizens will say what they want, and it will be. This is their lake, and they want it back. If they decide they want a speed limit, they will get one. If the majority of NH citizens decides they want to change the name of the lake to Lake Bob, then they do not need to prove that it is needed, or to show statistics and facts that prove a real problem exists. So long as their mandate is not unconstitutional or illegal, the legislature will follow it. The go-fast crowd has always been well-organized and has managed to stop earlier attempts before word got out. But his time, the people are aware and organizing and will get a chance to make their opinion known. So let us stop having this debate on this forum. Your chance to voice your opinion will come, as will mine. Let us see what the majority of NH's citizens want.
I think I have had enough of this debate with you now.

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