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ITD · 07-09-2005, 09:28 AM

Hmmm,

Did APS or Woodsy get the math wrong, difficult question. You see if a boat is passing a person in the water or a kayak he is responsible for staying 150 ft from that object. If he passes another boat he must stay 150 ft away while the other boat must stay 150 feet away. This, however, does not mean that you add both 150 foot zones to make 300 feet of separation. So in this case each boat only needs a 75 foot buffer (half of the 150 that they must maintain) so in this case it would appear that Woodsy is correct while in the case of a kayak or person or similar situation it would appear APS is right. But are they? Woodsy states a 150 ft box, which has an area of 22,500 sq. feet. A circle however is more appropriate, since a 150 foot box would have a distance longer than 150 ft across the diagonals. A 150 ft diameter circle would give an area of 17,671.5 sq.feet. So based on that alone it appears that Woodsy is wrong.

APS on the other hand is more difficult to nail down. He states in one sentence a boat needs more than an acre, then in the next he states that the boat moves "that acre with him" implying 1 acre per boat. So for sake of arguement we will assume APS number to be 1 acre per boat,( in reality based on what I see of APS statements a circle with a 150ft radius ( 70,685.8 sq ft) would be appropriate but 1 acre per boat is easier to type). He also states that another term for "calculating the acres of lake water surface "being used" per moving boat" is needed, "Acres per Second" perhaps?

You see, in my humble view, this whole line of thought is bogus. The only time the 150 ft rule comes into play is when a boat is near another object. If a boat is not near another object the 150ft rule doesn't apply and the boat only occupies the area of its waterline. Furthermore, when the rule does apply, it’s not like a 360 degree "shield" is turned on covering 70,000+ sq. ft of lake. Worst case for two boats is a parallelogram with two sides of 150 ft and the other two sides the lengths of the boats in question. (for two 36 ft GFBL boats that would be 5,400 sq ft of lake). So in REALITY both are WRONG.

As far the question, where kayaks counted as boats, I would have to say no. Since we take a snapshot of the lake and consider it gospel for all of our discussions we should apply that standard consistently. I carefully perused

the photos and determined that I could not see any kayaks or canoes. Therefore we must assume that there are no kayaks or canoes on Winnipesaukee.

07-09-2005, 09:28 AM	#21
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,941 Thanks: 481 Thanked 695 Times in 390 Posts	Hmmm, Did APS or Woodsy get the math wrong, difficult question. You see if a boat is passing a person in the water or a kayak he is responsible for staying 150 ft from that object. If he passes another boat he must stay 150 ft away while the other boat must stay 150 feet away. This, however, does not mean that you add both 150 foot zones to make 300 feet of separation. So in this case each boat only needs a 75 foot buffer (half of the 150 that they must maintain) so in this case it would appear that Woodsy is correct while in the case of a kayak or person or similar situation it would appear APS is right. But are they? Woodsy states a 150 ft box, which has an area of 22,500 sq. feet. A circle however is more appropriate, since a 150 foot box would have a distance longer than 150 ft across the diagonals. A 150 ft diameter circle would give an area of 17,671.5 sq.feet. So based on that alone it appears that Woodsy is wrong. APS on the other hand is more difficult to nail down. He states in one sentence a boat needs more than an acre, then in the next he states that the boat moves "that acre with him" implying 1 acre per boat. So for sake of arguement we will assume APS number to be 1 acre per boat,( in reality based on what I see of APS statements a circle with a 150ft radius ( 70,685.8 sq ft) would be appropriate but 1 acre per boat is easier to type). He also states that another term for "calculating the acres of lake water surface "being used" per moving boat" is needed, "Acres per Second" perhaps? You see, in my humble view, this whole line of thought is bogus. The only time the 150 ft rule comes into play is when a boat is near another object. If a boat is not near another object the 150ft rule doesn't apply and the boat only occupies the area of its waterline. Furthermore, when the rule does apply, it’s not like a 360 degree "shield" is turned on covering 70,000+ sq. ft of lake. Worst case for two boats is a parallelogram with two sides of 150 ft and the other two sides the lengths of the boats in question. (for two 36 ft GFBL boats that would be 5,400 sq ft of lake). So in REALITY both are WRONG. As far the question, where kayaks counted as boats, I would have to say no. Since we take a snapshot of the lake and consider it gospel for all of our discussions we should apply that standard consistently. I carefully perused the photos and determined that I could not see any kayaks or canoes. Therefore we must assume that there are no kayaks or canoes on Winnipesaukee.