Winnipesaukee Forum - View Single Post - Where is the money for HB-162 going to come from?

Woodsy · 02-08-2006, 09:11 AM

FJ...

Your right... I got the water density backwards! Who would have thought I would be saying that to you? LOL! But my point remains valid, there is a density difference, and because there is a density difference the amount of radar energy absorbed & reflected by the water will be different. The boats density will not change from saltwater to freshwater, but the radar reflectivity of the water will change.

One interesting tidbit I found doing some of my research. I pinged my old boss @ MIT/Lincoln Labs... this is what he responded with:

Radar does not travel over water without degradation, like it does over land. Water absorbs a lot of the microwave energy and provides shorter operating ranges. Over land, hand held radar can detect and display a vehicle's speed over 1 mile away. Over water, hand held radar has a much shorter operating range, typically in the 1/4 to 1/2 mile range. Personal water craft have an even shorter range due to the overall size of the craft and all the water spray.

I completely disagree with you and your opinion of Lake George and how & why they do things. I doubt very seriously if you have ever boated there. They do not enforce the speed limit at all. You say its because they don't have to? Thats a pretty unlikely scenario given the way people drive on the roadways. I have witnessed alot of speeding boats on Lake George and watched the MP there do nothing. Now if your boat happens to be noisy on Lake George, they are pretty much right there on top of you. However, Lake Winnipesaukee isn't Lake George. I highly doubt the Winnfabs crowd will be content with 5-6 speeding tickets issued per year by our MP.

There still has not been any coherent funding proposition put forth by the Pro HB-162/Winnfabs crowd, with the exception being Evenstar, who thought it only fair that canoes & kayaks be registered.

Woodsy

The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

02-08-2006, 09:11 AM	#26
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	FJ... Your right... I got the water density backwards! Who would have thought I would be saying that to you? LOL! But my point remains valid, there is a density difference, and because there is a density difference the amount of radar energy absorbed & reflected by the water will be different. The boats density will not change from saltwater to freshwater, but the radar reflectivity of the water will change. One interesting tidbit I found doing some of my research. I pinged my old boss @ MIT/Lincoln Labs... this is what he responded with: Radar does not travel over water without degradation, like it does over land. Water absorbs a lot of the microwave energy and provides shorter operating ranges. Over land, hand held radar can detect and display a vehicle's speed over 1 mile away. Over water, hand held radar has a much shorter operating range, typically in the 1/4 to 1/2 mile range. Personal water craft have an even shorter range due to the overall size of the craft and all the water spray. I completely disagree with you and your opinion of Lake George and how & why they do things. I doubt very seriously if you have ever boated there. They do not enforce the speed limit at all. You say its because they don't have to? Thats a pretty unlikely scenario given the way people drive on the roadways. I have witnessed alot of speeding boats on Lake George and watched the MP there do nothing. Now if your boat happens to be noisy on Lake George, they are pretty much right there on top of you. However, Lake Winnipesaukee isn't Lake George. I highly doubt the Winnfabs crowd will be content with 5-6 speeding tickets issued per year by our MP. There still has not been any coherent funding proposition put forth by the Pro HB-162/Winnfabs crowd, with the exception being Evenstar, who thought it only fair that canoes & kayaks be registered. Woodsy The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid. Last edited by Woodsy; 02-08-2006 at 10:38 AM.