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Skip · 09-18-2004, 07:05 AM

Sorry Madrasahs,

You would be well advised to carefully read the sources you quote before offering them up as proof of your alleged conspiracies.

The Eagle-Tribune article you cite contains no proof whatsoever that legisltors are corrupt. As a matter of fact, one paragraph states:

"...But one factor in New Hampshire that does mitigate excessive lobbying, Bender said, is the 400-member house of Representatives. The House is simply too large for lobbyists to influence every representative on every issue..."

Also interesting is that out of the entire legislature, the writer of the article could only find one single legislator, out of 400, to state his opinion that lobbying in New Hampshire was unfair. Oh yeah, I forgot....this is a conspiracy, right?

Your contention and proof that students regularly and illegally sway the vote in New Hampshire also lacks any credible proof in the article you quoted for that opinion. The Center for Voting and Democracy piece once again only cites the opinion of a single individual, Republican House Speaker Gene Chandler, that students do not have the right to vote in New Hampshire elections. Of course Mr. Chandler, if quoted correctly, is way off the mark here. Of course any college student who is claimimng residnecy in New Hampshire has a constitutionally protected right to vote here! And never once in the article is there an accusation that students from Massachussetts are acting improperly.

Both articles you cited are built solely and written plainly as opinion pieces, each based on the opinion of a single partisan legislator. There is not a shred of factual information in either article in which to base the accusations you passed in your comments as fact.

Interestingly enough, one article is 3 years old and the other nearly a year old. Since then there has been plenty of time for the quoted politicians in both cases to provide ample information to support their opinions. Legislative voting records and lobbyist activities are easily tracked and readily reported on a number of public sites. Trends indicating undue influence could be easily established. Voting records and registrar lists in both New Hampshire & Massachussetts are also a matter of public record. In the year since the opinion piece on student voting has been written, it would have been very easy for anyone to examine the record and show substantial proof that double or improper student voting was occuring. In both cases not a single individual or organization has come forward to offer any verifiable proof that the crimes you say routinely occur have indeed been happening at all.

Oh right, I forgot.....its a conspiracy.

My final post on this subject and once again my apologies to Don for contributing to a thread gone far astray. It was the fact that these comments were so outlandish in nature and passed off as fact, when no such facts existsd, that I felt an appropriate response was required to debunk them.

Skip

09-18-2004, 07:05 AM	#37
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Out of context, once again... Sorry Madrasahs, You would be well advised to carefully read the sources you quote before offering them up as proof of your alleged conspiracies. The Eagle-Tribune article you cite contains no proof whatsoever that legisltors are corrupt. As a matter of fact, one paragraph states: "...But one factor in New Hampshire that does mitigate excessive lobbying, Bender said, is the 400-member house of Representatives. The House is simply too large for lobbyists to influence every representative on every issue..." Also interesting is that out of the entire legislature, the writer of the article could only find one single legislator, out of 400, to state his opinion that lobbying in New Hampshire was unfair. Oh yeah, I forgot....this is a conspiracy, right? Your contention and proof that students regularly and illegally sway the vote in New Hampshire also lacks any credible proof in the article you quoted for that opinion. The Center for Voting and Democracy piece once again only cites the opinion of a single individual, Republican House Speaker Gene Chandler, that students do not have the right to vote in New Hampshire elections. Of course Mr. Chandler, if quoted correctly, is way off the mark here. Of course any college student who is claimimng residnecy in New Hampshire has a constitutionally protected right to vote here! And never once in the article is there an accusation that students from Massachussetts are acting improperly. Both articles you cited are built solely and written plainly as opinion pieces, each based on the opinion of a single partisan legislator. There is not a shred of factual information in either article in which to base the accusations you passed in your comments as fact. Interestingly enough, one article is 3 years old and the other nearly a year old. Since then there has been plenty of time for the quoted politicians in both cases to provide ample information to support their opinions. Legislative voting records and lobbyist activities are easily tracked and readily reported on a number of public sites. Trends indicating undue influence could be easily established. Voting records and registrar lists in both New Hampshire & Massachussetts are also a matter of public record. In the year since the opinion piece on student voting has been written, it would have been very easy for anyone to examine the record and show substantial proof that double or improper student voting was occuring. In both cases not a single individual or organization has come forward to offer any verifiable proof that the crimes you say routinely occur have indeed been happening at all. Oh right, I forgot.....its a conspiracy. My final post on this subject and once again my apologies to Don for contributing to a thread gone far astray. It was the fact that these comments were so outlandish in nature and passed off as fact, when no such facts existsd, that I felt an appropriate response was required to debunk them. Skip Last edited by Skip; 09-18-2004 at 08:11 AM.