New Decal Required

[ishoot308]

I’m trying to figure this one out…if I’m reading it correctly the new decal confirms you bought and paid for your registration decal….huh??

https://www.dmv.nh.gov/news-and-medi...zEAmMX7JwDCZWw

Dan

[fatlazyless]

These two new round stickers will cost three dollars per boat per year, total, for the two new round stickers.

Something to do with the Coast Guard and the New Hampshire collection system. "The Coast Guard audit found that Marine Patrol was collecting boat fees from some state partners such as the state Fish and Game and Environmental Services Departments in violation of federal law."

These new round stickers, costing three dollars per boat per year are "essential to prevent the state from losing $15 million annual grant it receives to enforce federal recreational boating regulations."

http://www.yahoo.com/news/nh-boat-ow...234900295.html ..... All NH boat owners: New decal required as of Jan. 1

Maybe it will cost three dollars per sticker or six dollars, total, but maybe not? This quote explanation makes it sound like it will be three dollars total?

[WinnisquamZ]

One is state registration and the other is a permit to navigate NH waterways. A out of state boater now requires a nh sticker to boat. Complete money grab. A NH registered boat should not require the second sticker


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[John Mercier]

I would expect that to happen though.
Marine Patrol is most likely in need of some funding.

I know that F&G is looking for another $2 million per year.

[Patofnaud]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nh-boat-o...234900295.html

Basically they can't track what they use our registration on so they are splitting the fees over two stickers... Burocracy at its finest.

[fatlazyless]

"Boaters required To Display New Decal Effective Jan. !, 2025"

http://www.dmv.nh.gov/news-and-media...ive-jan-1-2025

This new round boat decal is supposedly happening in 15 different U.S. states as a work around method to comply with a U.S. Coast Guard audit and is needed here in New Hampshire to receive an annual $15 million dollar federal grant to enforce federal recreational boating regulations in New Hampshire.

$15 million dollars of federal funding on an annual basis sounds like a totally huge amount of money for the State of New Hampshire to enforce federal recreational boating regulations. This is big money to this here State of N.H.

Is this new additional boat enforcement funding for 2025 or a continuation of the existing funding in 2024 and earlier, or what?

[John Mercier]

Probably a continuation.
The audit probably found problems, and the work around keeps the funding grants from being discontinued.

[sunfishman]

2026 they will then issue a triangular sticker proving you paid for the round sticker.

[Breakwater]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

These two new round stickers will cost three dollars per boat per year, total, for the two new round stickers.

Something to do with the Coast Guard and the New Hampshire collection system. "The Coast Guard audit found that Marine Patrol was collecting boat fees from some state partners such as the state Fish and Game and Environmental Services Departments in violation of federal law."

These new round stickers, costing three dollars per boat per year are "essential to prevent the state from losing $15 million annual grant it receives to enforce federal recreational boating regulations."

http://www.yahoo.com/news/nh-boat-ow...234900295.html ..... All NH boat owners: New decal required as of Jan. 1

Maybe it will cost three dollars per sticker or six dollars, total, but maybe not? This quote explanation makes it sound like it will be three dollars total?

NH receives about 1.5 million from the feds, not 15 million.

[8gv]

Originally Posted by sunfishman

2026 they will then issue a triangular sticker proving you paid for the round sticker.

2027...

You get stickers but glue costs extra.

[Descant]

$1.5 million makes more sense to me than $15 Million. I think this dates back to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. I recall a conversation with Director Dave Barrett where he pointed out that if NHMP took over some responsibilities for coastal enforcement we would get a big chunk of money. The Safety Commissioner wanted the money and that was part of the plan to bring MP into State Police, give them guns and enhanced training requirements. In my mind, those extra requirements make it more expensive to recruit, hire and train MP officers who only work in the summer. So MP on the seacoast is year round, but we are shorthanded on the lakes. Years later, as it turns out, State Police and local PD's are also having trouble recruiting. IMO, we should have followed Maine's example and combined F & G and MP and leave the coast to the USCG.
I own a boat that was previously registered in New Jersey. It has several stickers on the aft bulkhead, one on a forward porthole and the regular registration stickers. My marina wants me to have a sticker, and I think NHDES gives me one ("free") for having a compliant water system. I register the boat at MVYC and they put the NH stickers on when they launch the boat. Easy.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by 8gv

2027...
You get stickers but glue costs extra.

I pay for a rectangular decal as a taxpayer.
I pay for a round decal as a taxpayer.
Now I can receive taxpayer money?

[first timer]

new hampshire SCAM TO save fish and game

[John Mercier]

Was/Is the money to F&G or Marine Patrol?

[AC2717]

A “decal to show you paid your boat fees”
Isn’t that what the registration sticker was, then you have to pay a fee to show that you paid your fees
More and more like MA
Just raise the registration instead of insulting me further

[BroadHopper]

She is also confused. She is under the impression that all boats that use NH waters are required to have the round sticker, including paddle boats and sailboats. However, only powerboats require a square sticker.

If that is true, what a way to boost the F&G budget! I hope the Safe Hike program is extended to all round stickers. I won't feel so bad.

[AC2717]

these stickers are for NH registered boats. The of out state boats, are required to have a separate sticker

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

However, only powerboats require a square sticker.

Not true. Certain sailboats require the square stickers.

[bobkatfly]

The way I'm understanding HB 1304 is: prior to 2025 the single decal cost included fees for registration, invasive aquatic species control, F&G search and rescue, marine patrol.....etc. In order to maintain $1.5 million in Coast Guard funding, the Guard is requiring registration fees to be defined independently of the other fees. So the square decal is registration, the round is for the other fees. The additional $3 is for the physical decal (with adhesive).
If this is true I wonder how its been handled in the past on the books at the state level. I would think the fees had to be listed separately on the books.

One of the links above had this paragraph in it:

"The Coast Guard audit found that Marine Patrol was collecting boat fees from some state partners such as the state Fish and Game and Environmental Services Departments in violation of federal law."
So, MP was picking off funds intended for F&G???
Sounds like they were playing a little Texas Holdem with the fees.

Am I missing something here? If this true, I think the State accounting office needs the round decal, not us.

[Descant]

Whoever in the USCG does this type of audit should get a pink slip from DoGE. Adding $3 and a sticker to show... whatever...doesn't seem to be productive. The registration fees collected still go wherever the legislature directs them. Many decades ago, the USCG tried to work its way into Lake Winnipesaukee and we (NH Legislature) threw them out. Time to stand up again.

[tis]

This has stirred up quite a bit of controversy. Not many seem happy with this.

[The Real BigGuy]

$3 for a round sticker? Must have 24k gold inlay. Cost to state? +/-$0.15.


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[bobkatfly]

Watch and see how many boats have the sticker this season. MP thought they were busy last year?

[Sleezstak]

Another decal to clash with colors of my boat. Wife is going to flip.

[Breakwater]

For decades the NH DMV and boat registration agents across the state have been issuing registrations for one lump sum. This expense included the following fees set by statute:

Section 270-E:5 - Registration Fees
I. The registration fees for commercial, private, and pleasure vessels, including rentals and airboats shall be as follows:
(a) Up to and including 16 feet $24
(b) 16.1 feet to 21 feet $34
(c) 21.1 feet to 30 feet $52
(d) 30.1 feet to 45 feet $72
(e) 45.1 feet and over $92

II. In addition to the fees required by paragraph I there shall be the following registration fees:
(a) $9.50 for each registration specified in paragraph I. The fees collected under this subparagraph shall be paid into the lake restoration and preservation fund established under RSA 487:25.
(b) $1 for each registration required by this section. The fees collected under this subparagraph shall be paid into the fish and game search and rescue fund established under RSA 206:42.
(c) $5 for each registration processed by an authorized agent of the department who is not an employee of the department. The fees collected under this subparagraph shall be collected and retained by the authorized agent as compensation for processing the registration.
(d) $5 for each registration specified in paragraph I. The surcharge collected under this subparagraph shall be paid into the statewide public boat access fund established under RSA 233-A:13.
(e) $2 for each registration for tidal or coastal waters. The surcharge collected under this subparagraph shall be paid into the harbor dredging and pier maintenance fund established under RSA 12-G:46.

In addition, "Boat Fees" found in RSA 72-A:3
https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa...2-A/72-A-3.htm are part of the registration expense.

A US Coast Guard's review of the state's recreational boating safety program which includes the issuance of boat registrations (certificate of number as the feds call it), found the state was violating federal law when it collected the fees in red above. These fees were revenues sent to the agencies identified in the statute...NOT Marine Patrol. By the way, NH was one numerous states engaged in such a practice across the country.

The fees in green were deemed allowable by the Coast Guard.

Failure to correct the illegal collection of these fees jeopardized the Marine Patrol's receipt of its portion of the Recreational Boating Safety Grant awarded annually to each US state.

The NH DMV and Marine Patrol worked with the legislature over the last several sessions for a solution that would achieve compliance with the federal law, while also insuring the collection of the critical fees (in red) for the F&G, DES, and NH Port Authority.

The first bill that passed formed a study committee charged with finding a solution that would accomplish two things...1. Comply with federal registration laws, and 2. Continue to capture the critical revenues for the F&G. DES. and NHPA programs.

The simple solution that satisfied the two was to separate the collection of the outside fees from the registration fees and require the purchase of the second decal which captures the revenues for the F&G, DES, and NHPA.

Thus the increase of $3 for each registered boat (cost of 2nd decal).

FYI- US Senator Jeanne Shaheen has submitted a bipartisan bill in Congress to remedy this problem for NH and numerous other states. Let's hope this passes and leads to the repeal of the second NH decal.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...nate-bill/4113

[8gv]

All the fees in red add up to much more than the $3 additional decal.

How does the math work?

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by 8gv

All the fees in red add up to much more than the $3 additional decal.

How does the math work?

Good information from Breakwater. I, like others I assume, was wondering what led to a requirement for more stickers on the bow of our boats. The way I read it, we will still pay the "fees in red" at registration, they will just be separated from the other fees through voodoo accounting, to make the Coast Guard happy. The voodoo accounting will be substantiated by the new round stickers, for which we will have the privilege of paying $3 per year.

[fatlazyless]

Supposedly, the three dollars is to pay for these two round stickers, and not for the different state government services.

You know, methinks they should charge one hundred dollars for these two round stickers, plus require you to swim the 200+ yards, back and forth across Smith Cove from the Marine Patrol to qualify for a N.H.boat registration.

[AC2717]

Great
They can separate and collect without needing a second sticker

[John Mercier]

It appears that each sticker will represent a certain schedule of fees.
So both stickers will symbolize that all fees have been paid.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

It appears that each sticker will represent a certain schedule of fees.
So both stickers will symbolize that all fees have been paid.

Symbolism shouldn't cost $3. In the back of my mind I still think the USCG wants some jurisdiction over our inland waters.

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

It appears that each sticker will represent a certain schedule of fees.
So both stickers will symbolize that all fees have been paid.

i would agree, but why not just change the sticker design or not needed at all
not that hard to have a $75 boat fee and a schedule of where it needs to be split up to and use one sticker, this has zero bearing to the consumer or tax payer when it comes to certification they paid their fees, this is a behind the scenes bookkeeping issue that isnt solved at the end user no matter how many stickers you force on someones watercraft.

Makes me laugh, so hey we had a bookkeeping issue with how we split up the fees you paid, so we are going to make you buy and use a seperate sticker so we can prove on our gov books with the organizations that when they see the sticker on your watercraft they will know that we split up the fees we collected from you --- in a single payment that goes to the same place and the same people splitting it up, so by us giving you a second sticker and charing you for it and you putting it on your watercraft, the other government organizations will know that we split up the single payment you sent to us at the same location and same office, was split properly in the books, or just another way to scrape money from us

Honeslty who thinks of this crap, who then allows this crap to pass, and then who signs it into law, my god. And this is what they do with their time


Here's an idea, hey we were collecting this money and weren't splitting it correctly, we need to do this with the money - and we will audit our workers to make sure they are doing correclty because we do this anyway - Done!

[AC2717]

Haven’t sent the registration into concord via mail in a long time
Am i just sending in the check with one of the registrations (owners copy) or all four they send you?

[Descant]

For those who register early (why?), do you get both stickers in the same return envelope? Isn't that proof you paid? Having such proof, why not just send the second sticker back, directly to the Governor? I'd guess this is some sort of administrative screw up, since we (I) certainly didn't hear anything last year about related legislation.

[John Mercier]

Probably even confusing to them...
It seems to have quite the history...

https://legiscan.com/NH/bill/HB1304/2024

[chachee52]

This was on WMUR last night. Not sure it will help but does go through why.

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-law...52025/63341149

[Descant]

Originally Posted by chachee52

This was on WMUR last night. Not sure it will help but does go through why.

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-law...52025/63341149

Thanks for the link, John . I remain disappointed in our legislature for just giving in to the USCG for their $$. Maine had the right approach--let the Coast Guard do the coast and keep inland waters for ourselves. To me, USCG has no business auditing anything in NH.

[John Mercier]

To be fair, we (the Legislature on our behalf) wanted the federal dollars.
Federal dollars always come with strings attached.

And it usually takes an audit before anyone notices that we are not in compliance.

We used to buy groomers and tractors using NRTP funds.
Then the first Trump Administration during an audit discovered that we were in violation of an existing requirement that those all be made with US source steel.

We could still buy tractors, but not groomers, so the whole system changed to support the groomers... looking at our winters, not exactly the smartest move.

Long run... this will probably be more of a hassle then it is worth.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Descant

For those who register early (why?), do you get both stickers in the same return envelope? Isn't that proof you paid? Having such proof, why not just send the second sticker back, directly to the Governor? I'd guess this is some sort of administrative screw up, since we (I) certainly didn't hear anything last year about related legislation.

Why do some register early? Because many New Hampshire people also use their boats in other places with year round boating, like Florida. There are a lot of Winnipesaukee boats that go to Florida every year in the fall and back to NH in the spring. That is a good reason to have them registered on January 1.

[8gv]

I got my four stickers for my 14' Aluminum boat today at the Laconia City Hall.

This boat heads to Florida in February for a week of camping and fishing.

The rest of my fleet can wait for the usual US mail process to play out.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Descant

Thanks for the link, John . I remain disappointed in our legislature for just giving in to the USCG for their $$. Maine had the right approach--let the Coast Guard do the coast and keep inland waters for ourselves. To me, USCG has no business auditing anything in NH.

Doesn’t Marine Patrol also patrol coastal “navigable” waters such as the Piscataqua River? Isn’t that why they bought the surplus CG surf boat a number of years ago? Not conforming to the new requirements (which I think are crazy) might require state to cede any authority in those areas to CG. However, this does seem to be an easy/lazy way to solve an accounting issue.


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[Descant]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Doesn’t Marine Patrol also patrol coastal “navigable” waters such as the Piscataqua River? Isn’t that why they bought the surplus CG surf boat a number of years ago? Not conforming to the new requirements (which I think are crazy) might require state to cede any authority in those areas to CG. However, this does seem to be an easy/lazy way to solve an accounting issue.

The impression I got from Dave Barret at the time was that the commissioners eyes glazed over when Homeland Security offered big bucks for NH to patrol our small section of the coast. That was the incentive to absorb MP into state police. Maine seems to have no problem telling where inland and coastal are differentiated. I think it makes sense for USCG to patrol the area around the Portsmouth Naval Ship Yard. I expect they patrol the Kennebec River up to the Bath Iron Works where they build ships for the US Navy.

[The Real BigGuy]

Years ago, didn’t we have to pay with 2 separate checks when we registered our boats? I seem to remember something like that.


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[John Mercier]

Not sure on boats, but we did autos.
The portion to the State was separate from the portion to the Town.

[steve-on-mark]

Fast forward to 2035....

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[tis]

😂😂Steve, just wait a few years.

[bobkatfly]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

Fast forward to 2035....

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I think you're missing the aft mounted hexagon and octagon.