God Bless the children families of Newtown Ct

[Irish Choppers]

May god bless the children and families of Newtown Ct. Hold your children a little bit closer tonight.

[HomeWood]

Agreed! I'm still speechless. I'm angry, sad, and amazed that there is such a level of evil.

[Jeanzb1]

There are no words......

[Senter Cove Guy]

I don't mean to sound harsh but this topic just doesn't belong here!

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Senter Cove Guy

I don't mean to sound harsh but this topic just doesn't belong here!

Disagree.
Sometimes exceptions should be made.
Unfortunately this is becoming all to common in our country. As a friend said last night when we were talking about it, what happened in the last 10 years that makes children and young adults think of doing things like this.

[SteveA]

Originally Posted by Senter Cove Guy

I don't mean to sound harsh but this topic just doesn't belong here!

With all due respect, and IMHO, I strongly disagree with this comment. We, out of respect, find it OK every year to honor the Events at Pearl Harbor, that is a good thing, we find it OK to post pictures and video of boat accidents on some lake in the Ozarks, we find it OK to post pictures and discuss meteor showers millions of miles from Lake Winnipesaukee just because we can see them from here. We allow discussion of the Super Bowl, because teams from the states that many members live in are opposing each other.

Frankly, if this site ever became a place where we couldn't at least comment on such a horrific event right here in nearby CT, were many of of our members come from, that would be my last time on this site.

Respectfully, Lake Winnipesaukee is part of the USA, and part a of New England and this is a national event. I wouldn't be surprised if we find that some of the families impacted by this shooting have visited our beautiful lake, and maybe, just maybe, one of the persons who posts here lost a child or a family member in this tragedy.

SCG, we devoted space and many a comment on your search for the owner of a ring that only was connected to the lake because was it was lost and found here. It was a wonderful and heartwarming thing you did. We were right to celebrate it and honor it.

We, as an electronic community, are connected to this event, to ban any comment about it would simply be wrong.

[Merrymeeting]

I've been accused of questioning the validity of topics in the past also. Having been a moderator of a forum, I know how hard it can be to draw a line. When exceptions are allowed they can often be used to justify later ones and the forum can quickly spin into dark, opposing discussions on topics far afield from the original intent of the forum.

When I first saw this post, I too had a momentary thought that it shouldn't be here. But I quickly reached the place that others have stated. This is an exceptional event that deeply affects us all. In some way, most of us are grieving about this, and discussing it with others helps the healing process.

In closing, I share a message from my sister-in-law, a mother of twins. I think she sums up well how any parent is feeling today,

"

Tonight I watched the news and felt such overwhelming pain. With tears I hugged my sons. They said it's okay mom, we are alright.. But I was hugging them for all those moms of 5 year olds who will never be able to hug their children when they are 15..."

[SAMIAM]

I think that Senter Cove Guy only meant that the forum does not usually include national stories and politics......certainly no harm intended.
God bless those little angels.

[trfour]

Lost souls commit these horrendous acts among us... Let us pray.


Terry
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[Senter Cove Guy]

Earlier this year our Webmaster asked for help in keeping posts on this forum lakes region related. I just couldn't see that this topic had anything to make it lakes region related. Not to mention that there are plenty of other places where one can read and comment about Friday's event. There isn't a person alive who doesn't feel the pain of what happened last Friday. I just didn't want to have to read more about it here.

[Heading4thelake]

I've spent more than 55 years in Wolfeboro, but live in Ct. through the winter so I guess you could say I share this with my lake region friends. In Ct. the past 48 hours have been 1 big "horror story " Saying it doesn't fit here we just deal with returning pumps after using them. Get real.... So was the life lost by a nurse in Wolfeboro, we all felt that ! Saying it doesn't belong here is just plain crap. These were children 5-10 years old and teachers who died saving children . HUG A CHILD !

[Rusty]

There isn't a webmaster in this country that would deny it's members the opportunity to express their deepest sympathy to all the families in Newtown Ct who were effected by this holiday season tragedy.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I think that Senter Cove Guy only meant that the forum does not usually include national stories and politics......

...but this tragedy will certainly become politicized...

[trfour]

Darrell Scott hit the nail on the head!!

COLUMBINE STUDENT’S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!

Guess our national leaders didn’t expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee. What he said to our national l...e

aders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

“Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

“The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.

“In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest opponent

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs, Your words are empty air. You’ve stripped away our heritage, You’ve outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms, And precious children die. You seek for answers everywhere, And ask the question “Why?” You regulate restrictive laws, Through legislative creed. And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need!

“Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation’s history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs —politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

“As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA — I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter’s death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!” - Darrell Scott

https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/...12883682080346

Terry
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[Newbiesaukee]

But hopefully not on this Forum.

[Pineedles]

Yes, please all try to remember that we should honor the brave acts by the adults who gave their lives to protect the children. One of my employees lost his niece (adult) on Friday. Let's remember the names of the brave and expunge the name of this evil person from our mind.

[MAXUM]

No question this is a horrific and tragic story, such a senseless loss of life. What I do find surprising is why so many find this shocking. Why? Look at what we consider entertainment, music, video games, TV and movies that not only promote, but glamorize violence. What do you really think the long term affects of this are? Combine that with the all out assault on the very Christian principals this country was founded on, this I'm afraid is the result.

Heartfelt sympathies to the families affected.

[Acrossamerica]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No question this is a horrific and tragic story, such a senseless loss of life. What I do find surprising is why so many find this shocking. Why? Look at what we consider entertainment, music, video games, TV and movies that not only promote, but glamorize violence. What do you really think the long term affects of this are? Combine that with the all out assault on the very Christian principals this country was founded on, this I'm afraid is the result.

Heartfelt sympathies to the families affected.

Amen. We must take a moment to think about returning to the societal morals of the per-hippie generatiom. This type of event did not happen back then because we taught personal responsibility and did not encourage oborent behavior of any kind. We could send our children off to school without having to watch them actually board the bus and they could play inocently outdoors without armed guards at every corner.

God bless those who died in Newtown, Ct and God bless those who will be killed or injured this weekend in Detroit and Chicago.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No question this is a horrific and tragic story, such a senseless loss of life. What I do find surprising is why so many find this shocking. Why? Look at what we consider entertainment, music, video games, TV and movies that not only promote, but glamorize violence. What do you really think the long term affects of this are? Combine that with the all out assault on the very Christian principals this country was founded on, this I'm afraid is the result.

Heartfelt sympathies to the families affected.

Very well said, Maxum and you are so right. That individual was, reportedly, addicted to video games, some of them are so graphic and violent that they would shock most people. They award points as the player moves from room to room killing people in a setting that is very much like a school. Players become so desensitized to violence that it may not even seem real to them especially if they are dealing with emotional problems.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No question this is a horrific and tragic story, such a senseless loss of life. What I do find surprising is why so many find this shocking. Why? Look at what we consider entertainment, music, video games, TV and movies that not only promote, but glamorize violence. What do you really think the long term affects of this are? Combine that with the all out assault on the very Christian principals this country was founded on, this I'm afraid is the result.

Heartfelt sympathies to the families affected.

While I agree with what you are saying in a broad general sense, I must completely disagree that any of those factors you mentioned had anything to do with this senseless massacre. This kid did not do this because he played violent video games, listened to hip hop music or because religious principles were taken out of school...this kid had serious psychological issues as well as "aspergers" disorder that were well known to his family and friends. Hopefully in the upcoming days and weeks we will learn more about these disorders he had and the TRUTH about this senseless massacre.

Dan

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

While I agree with what you are saying in a broad general sense, I must completely disagree that any of those factors you mentioned had anything to do with this senseless massacre. This kid did not do this because he played violent video games, listened to hip hop music or because religious principles were taken out of school...this kid had serious psychological issues as well as "aspergers" disorder that were well known to his family and friends. Hopefully in the upcoming days and weeks we will learn more about these disorders he had and the TRUTH about this senseless massacre.

Dan

Ya know Dan my comment here was more or less a general statement of what we as a society will not only tolerate but financially support as it pertains to "entertainment". Over the long term, the affects of this cannot be understated. Filling people's head with this violent and gory stuff has consequences. Now I agree with you that this kid had some serious mental problems and maybe it is a stretch to suggest that the things I mentioned played a part in his actions. However it is noteworthy non the less because at the end of the day you know as well as I that politics is going to play a huge role in this and of course the anti-gun weenies are out there demanding that nobody should own an AR15 or any other "scary" looking firearm. Fact is if you have anyone who is either a complete lunatic or mentally screwed up and is hell bent on violence any weapon will do, whether it be a gun, knife, machete, base ball bat, you name it. I'll use the Mont Vernon case as an example of that.

The best that can come out of this is the recognition that anyone who shows signs of mental illness, especially with a desire for violence will be given the help they need. Furthermore we as a nation need to do some serious soul searching as to what kinds of entertainment we want available to all ages.

[ishoot308]

Well stated Maxum and I completely agree!

Thanks!

Dan

[phoenix]

i have a good friend who lost a 6 year old grand daughter in this tragegy . Her funeral is tomorrow .

[Greene's Basin Girl]

I am so sorry to hear about your friend's grand daughter. What a senseless tragedy. The world is praying for all the families from Newtown, CT.

[trfour]

News story about giving support.

Link & Video; http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Man...z/-/index.html

Terry
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[fatlazyless]

Here's a bit of a link between the deceased mother of the shooter and New Hampshire.

Today's Dec 20 New York Post has a story that the shooter's mother stayed at the Mt Washington hotel in Bretton Woods, NH, between Tuesday 12:10pm Dec 11, and Thursday 12:27pm Dec 13, for about 48-hours and was registered alone(?), while presumably leaving her 20-year old son, the shooter, home alone back in Newtown.

290-miles is the distance between Bretton Woods, NH, and Newtown, Connecticut which probably makes it a five to six hour drive.

She was supposedly shot and killed while sleeping sometime early on Friday morning, Dec 14, in Newtown.

Have to wonder how much did she pay to stay at the Mount Washington Hotel, and what type car and color was she driving?

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Have to wonder how much did she pay to stay at the Mount Washington Hotel, and what type car and color was she driving?

What does that have to do with anything?

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Fact is if you have anyone who is either a complete lunatic or mentally screwed up and is hell bent on violence any weapon will do, whether it be a gun, knife, machete, base ball bat, you name it.

If Adam Lanza was armed only with a baseball bat, I don't think that the outcome would have been the same.

[Merrymeeting]

This post was started to express condolences for the victims of this horrible tragedy. It has served its purpose. Please don't continue to use it for political debate on the other, NON-LAKE, related issues.

If that continues, I join with others in asking the moderator to lock or delete the thread.

[Diver Vince]

A lot of people together with the news media are searching for the "why"s of this tragic event and pointing fingers at the gun industry, mental health industry, entertainment industry, our culture and god knows what else. If you really want someone to "blame", blame the mother! Yes I realize she paid the ultimate price, but anyone who does not properly secure their weapons having full knowledge that a family member has some form of psychopathology is grossly negligent. What was she thinking to take him to the gun range and teaching him about the use of firearms? Mental stability should be the first pre-requisite in the acquisition and use of firearms.

Most folks commit crimes for either money, sex or drugs. We understand that. In this case, what was the motive? It certainly appears the motive was lashing out at the world and choosing unarmed innocents for some sort of revenge for his pathological perception of being grossly mistreated which is why it's so impossible for us to understand such a heinous act. I firmly believe that Mom should have known better and ultimately she bears responsibility for this horrible tragedy.

[Newbiesaukee]

by APS

...but this tragedy will certainly become politicized...

By me

But hopefully not on this Forum.

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I am so sorry but APS was right and I was wrong. So disappointing.