August Vacation

Jimmbrooks · 06-21-2013, 07:34 AM

Hello all,

I'd like to introduce myself. Long time browser of the forums but my first post here. I want to thank everyone so far for their contributions to this forum. Ive gained plenty of information in the amount of time I've been reading here. Now I have a few specific questions.

I've been a long time boater (15+ years) and have navigated the entire Long Island sound coast. I live in CT just near the casinos on the Thames river. Up and down the river, out to the races in the sound, and trailered to local lakes. I have charts for every available waterway I traverse.

I have ordered the Bizer chart and will pick up lakewinni app for my phone as a back up. What I would like to know before reading the charts and planning routes from one side of the lake to the other is if there are any special conditions ( ie. obstacles, specific routes) to take note of. I am renting a house on Whortleberry Island, and putting in at pier 19. I have plans on visiting all parts of this beautiful lake. What I would like from those that have more knowledge than a chart can provide, is any information relating to my trips between the pier and the island, and the island and other popular places on the lake.

Going by the charts will be easy enough, but I'm hoping I can gain as much info as I can to have not only a very fun vacation by a very safe one as well, not just for my family but everyone else enjoying the lake.

Lived in NH for 10 years so I know how helpful and courteous we can be. Looking forward to hearing from you all.

Rich · 06-21-2013, 07:42 AM

welcome!

I still remember my first day on the lake, wondering about those submerged rocks and things.

The one area that I think needs extra care is 'The Witches'. Just east of Governor's Island and south or south west of Timber Island. On a boat it looks like open water until it's to late!

Zoom out on this map and you can see the rocks under the water just waiting for you.

View Larger Map | Get Directions | View Bird's Eye

Jimmbrooks · 06-21-2013, 08:07 AM

Thank you so much, that's a great visual, I'm sure I'd have avoided it based on the chart but you can see on that map how sneaky those witches can be. Anyone else have info for me, maybe like my best route from Whortleberry over to the weirs.

Gatto Nero · 06-21-2013, 08:49 AM

If you're staying on Whortleberry the spot you may need to be most concerned about, depending on which side you'll be staying, is The Graveyard to the NE of the island. Also navigating completely around that island is quite a challenge as well. The N/NW side is an obstacle course.

Jimmbrooks · 06-21-2013, 09:52 AM

Thank you, I'll be staying on the east side of the island almost opposite the pier, would the best thing be to (if trying to get to weirs) go east back towards the pier , then head southwesterly, until in open water then cross the broads? I'm sure when my chart comes in ill have a better idea, just trying to get some locals that know the area to possibly give a route.

Jimmbrooks · 06-21-2013, 09:57 AM

Oh and on another note, it's not just NH waterways, I'd have to say without exaggeration that 80% of people no longer wave. I had a woman have her son stop waving at my wife and daughter, then shoot a mean look back. I don't get it, we are some of the lucky ones to be able to enjoy the water in this economy and a friendly wave never hurt anyone, when I'm up there in August expect a wave from me, as ill be keeping the tradition alive.

Greene's Basin Girl · 06-21-2013, 10:31 AM

We always wave on the lake and most wave back. Sometimes I don't think people see the wave because the sun is blocking a clear view.

Gatto Nero · 06-21-2013, 11:02 AM

I'd go thru "Hole in The Wall" which is between Little Bear and Cow
then between Long and Sandy (Don't forget to go around the red marker #77) Across the Broads and between Jolly and Little Camp
Then between Mark and Round then head West between Mark and Timber
From there it's a straight shot to Governor's. Go between it and Eagle.

Jimmbrooks · 06-21-2013, 11:44 AM

Thanks Gatto,

I will plot that course! Anyone else agree or have a different route?

jrc · 06-21-2013, 02:24 PM

Since you are an experienced boater, I'll stick to the NH/Winni stuff:

150 ft rule - stay 150 feet away from boats, shore and swimmers or slow to headway speed.

The markers are different here. Go north or east of black markers and south or west of red. Use your chart the correct side is not always clear by compass alone.

You need to heed the markers. On the ocean sometimes the markers are for big ships and small craft can cheat them. Here you really don't want to cheat.

The rocks are just the other side of the markers. Sometimes the markers are on rocks! Most shallows are rocky, not a lot of forgiving sand.

No rafting zones - are design to reduce crowds in popular areas. No tying more than two boats together, 25 between anchored boats and 150 between an anchored boat and shore.

Have fun, with your experience you won't have any issues.

jrc · 06-21-2013, 02:29 PM

Another thing, all the public town docks are uncontrolled and first come, first served. There are no harbormasters or anyone else to call or help you dock. Some town do sporadically enforce a time limit.

If you see a crowd of boats when you arrive at the public docks, they are waiting. Take note of who is there and wait your turn. Weekends are much worse as you would expect.

On last thing, no overnight anchoring. Back to your dock at night.

chasedawg · 06-21-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gatto Nero

I'd go thru "Hole in The Wall" which is between Little Bear and Cow
then between Long and Sandy (Don't forget to go around the red marker #77) Across the Broads and between Jolly and Little Camp
Then between Mark and Round then head West between Mark and Timber
From there it's a straight shot to Governor's. Go between it and Eagle.

When going to the Wiers, Gatto Nero is correct. You can go through the "Hole-in-the -wall or go North of Little Bear than head down to Sandy light to make your turn to the West. It then is a pretty straight shot. Should be your shortest route. When you arrive send me a PM I will show you the different areas of concern and the best route to many places on the lake.

Jimmbrooks · 06-23-2013, 09:09 AM

Thank you chasedawg,

Ill do that, that's very courteous of you. So excited for this vacation, wife and daughter have no idea. A week on the lake is better than a year at the desk! Again thanks to everyone who's responded so far, can't wait to see you all on the lake.

-Best
Jimm Brooks

Jimmbrooks · 06-25-2013, 11:25 AM

I was also wondering if anyone had any input on places to take the family. We are down for anything. Just wondering if there are any must do's, ie. you've got to go here, you've got to see this, you've got to eat here, etc. there will be 6 adults and one child, don't feel as though you have to suggest child friendly activities as I'm sure the group will split up during the week.

Thanks again to everyone

~Jimm

Edit: don't feel like it has to be by boat either, we are going up to kittery Maine one day too

Phantom · 06-25-2013, 11:32 AM

Lunch or dinner at the Town Docks Restaurant in Meredith ... kinda cool

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Rich · 06-25-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmbrooks

I was also wondering if anyone had any input on places to take the family. We are down for anything. Just wondering if there are any must do's, ie. you've got to go here, you've got to see this, you've got to eat here, etc. there will be 6 adults and one child, don't feel as though you have to suggest child friendly activities as I'm sure the group will split up during the week.

Thanks again to everyone

~Jimm

Edit: don't feel like it has to be by boat either, we are going up to kittery Maine one day too

Drive by nipple rock, kinda fun for the adults. Oh, don't forget to tell everyone that they get 5 years of good luck for anyone that show's the rock their nipples.

Becky's garden, print a copy of the legend, and then read it while you're visiting: http://www.nhtourguide.com/legends/beckys_garden.htm

Visit Wolfeboro and let the ladies shop.

Breakfast in Meridith (or just stop for an ice cream).

Swimming at one of the sandbars (there are several).

Drive up to Castle in the Clouds, a nice view of the lake.

Jimmbrooks · 06-26-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Drive by nipple rock, kinda fun for the adults. Oh, don't forget to tell everyone that they get 5 years of good luck for anyone that show's the rock their nipples.

Becky's garden, print a copy of the legend, and then read it while you're visiting: http://www.nhtourguide.com/legends/beckys_garden.htm

Visit Wolfeboro and let the ladies shop.

Breakfast in Meridith (or just stop for an ice cream)

Swimming at one of the sandbars (there are several).

Drive up to Castle in the Clouds, a nice view of the lake.

That sounds like a bunch of awesome ideas, where might the sand bars be located? Ill have to mark then on my chart when it comes in

Dave R · 06-26-2013, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmbrooks

That sounds like a bunch of awesome ideas, where might the sand bars be located? Ill have to mark then on my chart when it comes in

Braun Bay is the most popular. There's another popular one by West Alton Marina, right at the mouth of the cove.

SAMIAM · 06-26-2013, 08:30 AM

Just curious, Jimmbrooks.....what kind of a boat will you be using? Occasional afternoon Tstorms spring up which require some caution. Also traffic around Weirs Beach can be a little crazy on weekends. Boats of all sizes and speeds coming from 5 different directions cause some big swells and choppy conditions. Have a wonderful and safe vacation.

Jimmbrooks · 06-26-2013, 02:10 PM

It's a 21 foot jet drive bow rider. Thank you for mentioning the conditions on the lake. Safety is always my biggest concern for my family and friends. I believe I can mange with the lake, not sounding overconfident as I post this, but similar conditions arise frequently where I live on the ocean, glass like one minute small craft advisory in the same hour. I have ben caught in some squalls fishing in the sound. As long as you don't panic most seas can be navigated. Thank you so much for letting me know, as I can see most would assume glass lake conditions if you haven't been on winni before.

jrc · 06-26-2013, 04:17 PM

Sometimes you get a strong north wind blowing straight down the Broads towards Clay point. Then you can get some big waves building down there, I was out there once in my bow rider when they looked like they were over my head when we were in the trough.

Just be careful. Avoid those days or you will need your best skills.

Dave R · 06-26-2013, 07:52 PM

On choppy days, you will not be comfortable in the broads in a 21 foot boat on-plane. Plan for extra fuel use and long rides if the wind picks up and you need to cross the broads.

NH_boater · 06-26-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmbrooks

It's a 21 foot jet drive bow rider. Thank you for mentioning the conditions on the lake. Safety is always my biggest concern for my family and friends. I believe I can mange with the lake, not sounding overconfident as I post this, but similar conditions arise frequently where I live on the ocean, glass like one minute small craft advisory in the same hour. I have ben caught in some squalls fishing in the sound. As long as you don't panic most seas can be navigated. Thank you so much for letting me know, as I can see most would assume glass lake conditions if you haven't been on winni before.

I had a 21' Yamaha jet up to a couple of years ago. Calm days with little traffic, no issues. Things can get dicey quickly though when the wind quickly kicks up or even in tight quarters with some cruiser traffic. I was nearly swamped in the graveyard once when a cruiser slowed to maximum wake speed as he approached my position in the middle of the tight space of the graveyard channel. Alone would have been OK but my young daughter was with me at the time. The low freeboard, high wake height and close proximity made for a white-knuckle moment to be sure.

I had many years of experience with the yami on Winnisquam and Winni. Most days were fun, safe and great. There were more than a few days when exiting a bay such as Alton when I simply turned around rather than negotiate the 'heavy chop' with the light weight, flat bottom and low freeboard of my Yamaha jet. This was mostly a comfort decision but occasionally it leaned towards safety.

Experience and good judgment will keep you safe and fun-filled.

Par Four · 06-26-2013, 09:52 PM

Sounds like you've got good experience, you're doing your advanced work and getting lots of good info from the helpful folks here. You've got more than enough boat there to enjoy the entire lake, in most all conditions.

The only piece of advice I want to give is... Bring a camera!

It's at least as beautiful there as you suspect it is. Your week will fly past and too soon you'll be trailering it back home. You're going to want plenty of pictures to look at before you're able to come back again.

Jimmbrooks · 06-27-2013, 04:18 AM

Thank you everyone. Your insights and expirences will help me and my family enjoy time on the lake. I agree it will fly by way to quick.

And as you describe the wave height to trough, I know what you mean. In the Long Island sound off the south west coast of fishers island is a place called the race. During tide change it can be 10ft top of wave to trough, three currents come together there and have no where to go but vertical. Upside is its one if the best spots on the whole east coast for striper fishing.

This is on a relatively calm day during slack tide ... Be there on a weekend at high tide and its crazy...

http://youtu.be/5y0tv3ICFRo

Phantom · 06-27-2013, 07:38 AM

Jim -

Sounds like you have a lot of Ocean experience and that is good in the Broads on a BAD day.

Biggest difference of Winni vs. Ocean is the "Cross Chop" !!

Just when you think you've got yourself "in the groove" with proper trim, speed, direction into wind/waves, etc. BAM ! you get broadsided by a "roller" -- may be natures way of waking you up or some 30+ foot Cruiser you didn't see go by in the other direction.

I have a 24' bowrider

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beagle · 06-27-2013, 07:51 AM

Most surprising to me when we started to boat on Winni was the big waves coming at you from all directions at once due to so many wakes generated in all directions. You have to pay attention and change course frequently to hit them correctly. Also compared to the sound, the frequency between waves is shorter so that you can be in the trough yet the next wave peak can be right next to you . I don't know if this makes sense, but you don't seem to have the long rollers like you would on the ocean. Maybe someone else can explain it better?

MikeF-NH · 06-27-2013, 09:07 AM

There are many areas of the big lake to watch out for. Coming out of 19 Mile and going to Whortleberry would be dangerous if you tried to cut a straight line from one to the other as it would bring you right through the Witches. You would have to circle to the south side of Melvin Island doing a long lazy circle around it. There are plenty of hazard markers all around Whortleberry and adjacent islands such as Dow. in general it is easier on the south side of those but still there are rocks hundreds of yards from shore in some areas (well marked but you have to pay attention. Familiarize yourself with The Six Pack which is a set of 3 pairs of markers with a channel in the middle.

There are essentially 4 routes out of that Whortleberry area to the main lake:
1.) through the Six Pack and under long island bridge (no wake zone under the bridge and past the marina)
2.) Between Little Bear and Long Island. Probably the most obvious and safest but it gets tight in there to a point where you may have to come off plane between the islands if a boat is coming at you to be compliant with the 150 foot rule.
3.) through Hole in the Wall which is between Little Bear and Cow island. I like this route a lot thought it is about 200 yards of no wake.
4.) between Cow Island and the mainland via the "Barbers Pole". Pay attention coming out to the main lake to avoid markers and "Middle Ground Shoal"....a rocky shoal over a mile from shore this just suddenly appears if you are not looking for it. Marked by markers but people who don't look for them can suddenly be in the middle of them.

19 Mile Bay is a nice easy ride for you as you can easily pick up groceries at the store (limited) as well as lunch and/or ice cream. Otherwise you have significantly longer boat or car rides to get to these types of places on the lake. I find that area to be quieter than the Weirs area with less of the reported insanity. In general, the folks driving through there are locals with good local knowledge of the lake and how to behave on it.

Be careful on the Broads when winds exceed 15 mph and/or many boats are about. It can get ugly out there fast. From that area, I find Wolfboro to be the most convenient port to stop into for a nice shore lunch. The docks can get busy but nothing like the Weirs docks or even Merideth. I like the ride to Center Harbor as it seems to be quiet up there and the docks always accessible with easy access to a few restaurants, a hardware store and a short walk to a full grocery store.

hig · 06-27-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NH_boater

I had a 21' Yamaha jet up to a couple of years ago. Calm days with little traffic, no issues. Things can get dicey quickly though when the wind quickly kicks up or even in tight quarters with some cruiser traffic. I was nearly swamped in the graveyard once when a cruiser slowed to maximum wake speed as he approached my position in the middle of the tight space of the graveyard channel. Alone would have been OK but my young daughter was with me at the time. The low freeboard, high wake height and close proximity made for a white-knuckle moment to be sure.

I had many years of experience with the yami on Winnisquam and Winni. Most days were fun, safe and great. There were more than a few days when exiting a bay such as Alton when I simply turned around rather than negotiate the 'heavy chop' with the light weight, flat bottom and low freeboard of my Yamaha jet. This was mostly a comfort decision but occasionally it leaned towards safety.

Experience and good judgment will keep you safe and fun-filled.

It does depend on what generation of Yamaha the original poster has. The older jetboats from yamaha or seadoo were basically large jetskis, shallow V hull and not much freeboard. Great fun in calm conditions, but not so good the the chop.

The newer Yamaha hulls are basically identical to a traditional IO-powered bow rider. Deep V hull and more freeboard. They do tend to be lighter because of the smaller motors and no outdrive, but in general they handle like any similarly sized bowrider would in the chop.

ishoot308 · 06-27-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

There are many areas of the big lake to watch out for. Coming out of 19 Mile and going to Whortleberry would be dangerous if you tried to cut a straight line from one to the other as it would bring you right through the Witches.

You mean the "graveyard" don't you Mike??

Jimmbrooks · 06-27-2013, 09:37 AM

All of you have been so helpful, and for that manny thanks. Staying on Whortleberry was what we liked because of how quiet it is. We would like to enjoy some relaxing time with the availability of going to the busier spots if we choose to. Great to point out the many routes to the broads,

It is a 2012 sea doo and looks very much like a traditional I/o with jet output. So it does handle waves pretty well.

Hope to meet some of you in person this August !! Maybe have a meet and greet, ill have plenty of suds to go around

webmaster · 06-27-2013, 10:56 AM

Just a reminder that there are videos of many of these areas (and more) on our Youtube Channel:

AC2717 · 06-27-2013, 11:26 AM

Important to note, Went through Sallys Gut on Saturday they went through and marked all the turns with like 5 foot high solid red and Black Markers.
very easy to navigate now

MikeF-NH · 06-27-2013, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

You mean the "graveyard" don't you Mike??

yes...sorry...typing too fast...the Graveyard

KeepItSimple · 06-27-2013, 02:12 PM

Don't assume that other boaters on the lake know what they're doing with respect to the markers. For example, you want to be on the island side of 17 the Barbers pole not the mainland side. Most boats that we see go by get it right, but one boat goes by on the mainland side and the next thing you know the 5 or 6 next boats to go by do the same thing. Its pretty tough to ding a prop there, but the boulders bare the scars.

Jimmbrooks · 06-28-2013, 11:36 AM

i noticed today when looking at the chart, that there appears to be a route that goes right through the grave yard, why would someone want to risk that when they could more safely go west and north of Melvin island before heading est again? I guess when plotting on charts i overly err on the side of safety.

Phantom · 06-28-2013, 02:48 PM

Jim -

It's actually very well marked and the ride through (if you dare) is actually quite an experience as most times you can vividly see the rocks on either side.

As a Newbie to the lake I would caution against it if it's choppy and it is always good to time yourself so that there is not another boat coming at you while between the markers -- although passible, it does make it interesting (headway speed or not).

The passage in reality is not that long a ride and does have a twist or two to it !!

Best approach for first timers is from the South to North ..... you tend to line up easier (in my opinion)

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Dave R · 06-28-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom

Best approach for first timers is from the South to North ..... you tend to line up easier (in my opinion)

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Agreed, I have trouble spotting the markers coming from the north and use my GPS to get to the channel entrance.

Sculpin · 07-01-2013, 07:00 PM

Boat yourselves to all the towns the Mt Washington boat goes to, you wont regret it!

Jimmbrooks · 07-02-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sculpin

Boat yourselves to all the towns the Mt Washington boat goes to, you wont regret it!

That sounds like a great idea! We will do that one day to help familiarize ourselves with the lake. Everywhere the MT. goes is public docking available?

Dave R · 07-02-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmbrooks

That sounds like a great idea! We will do that one day to help familiarize ourselves with the lake. Everywhere the MT. goes is public docking available?

Yes, plenty.

NH_boater · 07-02-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

Yes, plenty.

Agree, plenty, but can often be full. This is especially true on sunny weekends.

Par Four · 07-02-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

Yes, plenty.

Touching all the bases may be more than what you might want for a single day. It's do-able for sure, but you might want to break it up into 2 or more float plans.

Kind in mind the orientation of the lake is such that she picks up the NNWwind easily, and that can buildup the wave action out on the broads in many afternoons ( or any time for that matter...), as it runs down the 26-ish mile length of the lake. It's a lotta fun heading south to Alton Bay with the wind. It can be another story when you head back north.

It sounds like you've got plenty of boat and some good experience, so you will do fine. You should be able to go wherever / whenever. I know that in my family, when its time to head south to Alton Bay for ice cream or mini-golf or breakfast lunch or dinner, we go. Sure I watch the weather and sky constanly, but we go. Each ride brings its own adventure.

Jimmbrooks · 08-12-2013, 03:11 PM

Les than 11 days to go and our vacation finally starts. Excited to enjoy one of the most beautiful places in New England and excited to meet some new friends in the lakes area. Hope to see you all out there.

BroadHopper · 08-12-2013, 03:45 PM

I would follow Gato's route to the Weirs in case the wind is coming from the North. A great place to take the kids to eat is The Pine Cones on 109 just outside of Melvin Village. Very reasonable price and a good selection on the menu, including great pizza!

Stonedam Island will be a great place for a family hike and picnic. Blanchard Island has a rock you can jump off of. I would strongly advise you to supervise this activity.

Mt Major is an excellent hike for the kids as well as Rattlesnake Mtn in Holderness. The Squam Lake Science Center has always been a favorite with my grandkids.

If I know jetdrive boats, they are gas hogs and they tend to have small gas tanks, I would keep the tank full before making those long trips.

AS for the famous 'Winnie wave'. The lake is divided, and you will know which side a person is on when he or she wave. Wave back!

Aguamenti · 08-12-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmbrooks

i noticed today when looking at the chart, that there appears to be a route that goes right through the grave yard, why would someone want to risk that when they could more safely go west and north of Melvin island before heading est again? I guess when plotting on charts i overly err on the side of safety.

I am a newbie boater and avoided the Graveyard just that way until a friend with many years of experience took me through it on his boat. It's not bad at all if the lake is on the calm side, and as Phantom said, much easier if there's no other traffic. It's quite clearly marked if you know what you're looking for.

We spend a fair amount of time at Nineteen Mile Bay, maybe we will run into you.

Jimmbrooks · 08-16-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguamenti

...maybe we will run into you.

lol figuratively i hope

but thanks again for the last minute ideas, oh and our boats not to bad, its a 45 gallon fuel tank and i get about 10 gal/hour out of her going 30... so 4 hours at near top speed aren't to bad. And cant take to long to go from one side of lake to other. But thanks for keeping that thought in my mind for knowing where local gas docks are.

itchin for fishin · 08-16-2013, 07:03 PM

People make a big deal about how "rough" it is in the broads. As a big water boater (ocean or great lakes), yes you get pounded but never have I felt unsafe in my 21 foot Sea Ray. I will concur on The Witches, even if you know they are coming, going west (toward Meredith) late afternoon with white chop, the markers can be a bear to locate. Just go easy as you approach and you will be fine.

DBreskin · 08-18-2013, 03:42 PM

Also note there is a wide range of gas prices on the bay. Anchor marine and Channel marine usually have good prices, and Alton bay marinas are usually reasonable but the north/west marinas can be >$0.50/gallon more than the competitive marinas. For the latest prices go to www.winnigas.com .

pcmc · 08-18-2013, 09:17 PM

Recently there was a thread about an upset poster who had his trailer moved with in the parking area. Any suggestions for Jimm and trailer parking, and such?

Jimmbrooks · 08-23-2013, 10:37 PM

yes any ideas on trailer? I was told by the person I was renting from that my trailer would be safely parked at the lot across the street from 19 mile bay marina. If you concur I will be fine, if not i will be purchasing a lock for my trailer, if it had a lock it would take three people to move it as its a very heavy double axle trailer, but unlocked a quick hookup and it can be moved.

Jimmbrooks · 08-23-2013, 10:39 PM

btw less than 12 hours to go and we will be on the beautiful lake!!

chasedawg · 08-24-2013, 09:31 PM

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btw less than 12 hours to go and we will be on the beautiful lake!!

Jimmbrooks....did you get to the lake safe and sound? We hope you will have an enjoyable stay.

06-21-2013, 07:34 AM	#1
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	August Vacation Hello all, I'd like to introduce myself. Long time browser of the forums but my first post here. I want to thank everyone so far for their contributions to this forum. Ive gained plenty of information in the amount of time I've been reading here. Now I have a few specific questions. I've been a long time boater (15+ years) and have navigated the entire Long Island sound coast. I live in CT just near the casinos on the Thames river. Up and down the river, out to the races in the sound, and trailered to local lakes. I have charts for every available waterway I traverse. I have ordered the Bizer chart and will pick up lakewinni app for my phone as a back up. What I would like to know before reading the charts and planning routes from one side of the lake to the other is if there are any special conditions ( ie. obstacles, specific routes) to take note of. I am renting a house on Whortleberry Island, and putting in at pier 19. I have plans on visiting all parts of this beautiful lake. What I would like from those that have more knowledge than a chart can provide, is any information relating to my trips between the pier and the island, and the island and other popular places on the lake. Going by the charts will be easy enough, but I'm hoping I can gain as much info as I can to have not only a very fun vacation by a very safe one as well, not just for my family but everyone else enjoying the lake. Lived in NH for 10 years so I know how helpful and courteous we can be. Looking forward to hearing from you all.

06-21-2013, 07:42 AM	#2
Rich Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Derry / Gilford Posts: 1,244 Thanks: 72 Thanked 344 Times in 234 Posts	welcome! I still remember my first day on the lake, wondering about those submerged rocks and things. The one area that I think needs extra care is 'The Witches'. Just east of Governor's Island and south or south west of Timber Island. On a boat it looks like open water until it's to late! Zoom out on this map and you can see the rocks under the water just waiting for you. View Larger Map \| Get Directions \| View Bird's Eye __________________ Don't listen to me, obviously I don't understand what I'm talking about! Let's help each other save time and money: WinniGas.com

06-21-2013, 08:49 AM	#4
Gatto Nero Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Isola Gatto Nero Posts: 697 Thanks: 162 Thanked 263 Times in 81 Posts	If you're staying on Whortleberry the spot you may need to be most concerned about, depending on which side you'll be staying, is The Graveyard to the NE of the island. Also navigating completely around that island is quite a challenge as well. The N/NW side is an obstacle course. __________________ La vita è buona su Isola Gatto Nero

06-21-2013, 11:02 AM	#8
Gatto Nero Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Isola Gatto Nero Posts: 697 Thanks: 162 Thanked 263 Times in 81 Posts	I'd go thru "Hole in The Wall" which is between Little Bear and Cow then between Long and Sandy (Don't forget to go around the red marker #77) Across the Broads and between Jolly and Little Camp Then between Mark and Round then head West between Mark and Timber From there it's a straight shot to Governor's. Go between it and Eagle. __________________ La vita è buona su Isola Gatto Nero

06-25-2013, 11:25 AM	#14
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I was also wondering if anyone had any input on places to take the family. We are down for anything. Just wondering if there are any must do's, ie. you've got to go here, you've got to see this, you've got to eat here, etc. there will be 6 adults and one child, don't feel as though you have to suggest child friendly activities as I'm sure the group will split up during the week. Thanks again to everyone ~Jimm Edit: don't feel like it has to be by boat either, we are going up to kittery Maine one day too Last edited by Jimmbrooks; 06-25-2013 at 12:25 PM.

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06-21-2013, 08:07 AM	#3
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you so much, that's a great visual, I'm sure I'd have avoided it based on the chart but you can see on that map how sneaky those witches can be. Anyone else have info for me, maybe like my best route from Whortleberry over to the weirs.

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06-21-2013, 09:52 AM	#5
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you, I'll be staying on the east side of the island almost opposite the pier, would the best thing be to (if trying to get to weirs) go east back towards the pier , then head southwesterly, until in open water then cross the broads? I'm sure when my chart comes in ill have a better idea, just trying to get some locals that know the area to possibly give a route.

06-21-2013, 09:57 AM	#6
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Oh and on another note, it's not just NH waterways, I'd have to say without exaggeration that 80% of people no longer wave. I had a woman have her son stop waving at my wife and daughter, then shoot a mean look back. I don't get it, we are some of the lucky ones to be able to enjoy the water in this economy and a friendly wave never hurt anyone, when I'm up there in August expect a wave from me, as ill be keeping the tradition alive.

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06-21-2013, 10:31 AM	#7
Greene's Basin Girl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 1,515 Thanks: 394 Thanked 527 Times in 269 Posts	We always wave on the lake and most wave back. Sometimes I don't think people see the wave because the sun is blocking a clear view.

06-21-2013, 11:44 AM	#9
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Gatto, I will plot that course! Anyone else agree or have a different route?

06-21-2013, 02:24 PM	#10
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Since you are an experienced boater, I'll stick to the NH/Winni stuff: 150 ft rule - stay 150 feet away from boats, shore and swimmers or slow to headway speed. The markers are different here. Go north or east of black markers and south or west of red. Use your chart the correct side is not always clear by compass alone. You need to heed the markers. On the ocean sometimes the markers are for big ships and small craft can cheat them. Here you really don't want to cheat. The rocks are just the other side of the markers. Sometimes the markers are on rocks! Most shallows are rocky, not a lot of forgiving sand. No rafting zones - are design to reduce crowds in popular areas. No tying more than two boats together, 25 between anchored boats and 150 between an anchored boat and shore. Have fun, with your experience you won't have any issues.

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06-21-2013, 02:29 PM	#11
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Another thing, all the public town docks are uncontrolled and first come, first served. There are no harbormasters or anyone else to call or help you dock. Some town do sporadically enforce a time limit. If you see a crowd of boats when you arrive at the public docks, they are waiting. Take note of who is there and wait your turn. Weekends are much worse as you would expect. On last thing, no overnight anchoring. Back to your dock at night.

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06-23-2013, 09:09 AM	#13
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you chasedawg, Ill do that, that's very courteous of you. So excited for this vacation, wife and daughter have no idea. A week on the lake is better than a year at the desk! Again thanks to everyone who's responded so far, can't wait to see you all on the lake. -Best Jimm Brooks

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06-25-2013, 11:32 AM	#15
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Lunch or dinner at the Town Docks Restaurant in Meredith ... kinda cool . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

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06-26-2013, 08:30 AM	#19
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,891 Thanks: 334 Thanked 1,673 Times in 584 Posts	Just curious, Jimmbrooks.....what kind of a boat will you be using? Occasional afternoon Tstorms spring up which require some caution. Also traffic around Weirs Beach can be a little crazy on weekends. Boats of all sizes and speeds coming from 5 different directions cause some big swells and choppy conditions. Have a wonderful and safe vacation.

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06-26-2013, 02:10 PM	#20
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	It's a 21 foot jet drive bow rider. Thank you for mentioning the conditions on the lake. Safety is always my biggest concern for my family and friends. I believe I can mange with the lake, not sounding overconfident as I post this, but similar conditions arise frequently where I live on the ocean, glass like one minute small craft advisory in the same hour. I have ben caught in some squalls fishing in the sound. As long as you don't panic most seas can be navigated. Thank you so much for letting me know, as I can see most would assume glass lake conditions if you haven't been on winni before.

06-26-2013, 04:17 PM	#21
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Sometimes you get a strong north wind blowing straight down the Broads towards Clay point. Then you can get some big waves building down there, I was out there once in my bow rider when they looked like they were over my head when we were in the trough. Just be careful. Avoid those days or you will need your best skills.

06-26-2013, 07:52 PM	#22
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,984 Thanks: 246 Thanked 743 Times in 443 Posts	On choppy days, you will not be comfortable in the broads in a 21 foot boat on-plane. Plan for extra fuel use and long rides if the wind picks up and you need to cross the broads.

06-26-2013, 09:52 PM	#24
Par Four Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Central MA Posts: 77 Thanks: 23 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	You're going to have a blast! Sounds like you've got good experience, you're doing your advanced work and getting lots of good info from the helpful folks here. You've got more than enough boat there to enjoy the entire lake, in most all conditions. The only piece of advice I want to give is... Bring a camera! It's at least as beautiful there as you suspect it is. Your week will fly past and too soon you'll be trailering it back home. You're going to want plenty of pictures to look at before you're able to come back again.

06-27-2013, 04:18 AM	#25
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you everyone. Your insights and expirences will help me and my family enjoy time on the lake. I agree it will fly by way to quick. And as you describe the wave height to trough, I know what you mean. In the Long Island sound off the south west coast of fishers island is a place called the race. During tide change it can be 10ft top of wave to trough, three currents come together there and have no where to go but vertical. Upside is its one if the best spots on the whole east coast for striper fishing. This is on a relatively calm day during slack tide ... Be there on a weekend at high tide and its crazy... http://youtu.be/5y0tv3ICFRo

06-27-2013, 07:38 AM	#26
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Jim - Sounds like you have a lot of Ocean experience and that is good in the Broads on a BAD day. Biggest difference of Winni vs. Ocean is the "Cross Chop" !! Just when you think you've got yourself "in the groove" with proper trim, speed, direction into wind/waves, etc. BAM ! you get broadsided by a "roller" -- may be natures way of waking you up or some 30+ foot Cruiser you didn't see go by in the other direction. I have a 24' bowrider . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

06-27-2013, 07:51 AM	#27
beagle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 175 Thanks: 183 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts	I agree with Phantom Most surprising to me when we started to boat on Winni was the big waves coming at you from all directions at once due to so many wakes generated in all directions. You have to pay attention and change course frequently to hit them correctly. Also compared to the sound, the frequency between waves is shorter so that you can be in the trough yet the next wave peak can be right next to you . I don't know if this makes sense, but you don't seem to have the long rollers like you would on the ocean. Maybe someone else can explain it better?

06-27-2013, 09:07 AM	#28
MikeF-NH Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 317 Thanks: 2 Thanked 120 Times in 80 Posts	There are many areas of the big lake to watch out for. Coming out of 19 Mile and going to Whortleberry would be dangerous if you tried to cut a straight line from one to the other as it would bring you right through the Witches. You would have to circle to the south side of Melvin Island doing a long lazy circle around it. There are plenty of hazard markers all around Whortleberry and adjacent islands such as Dow. in general it is easier on the south side of those but still there are rocks hundreds of yards from shore in some areas (well marked but you have to pay attention. Familiarize yourself with The Six Pack which is a set of 3 pairs of markers with a channel in the middle. There are essentially 4 routes out of that Whortleberry area to the main lake: 1.) through the Six Pack and under long island bridge (no wake zone under the bridge and past the marina) 2.) Between Little Bear and Long Island. Probably the most obvious and safest but it gets tight in there to a point where you may have to come off plane between the islands if a boat is coming at you to be compliant with the 150 foot rule. 3.) through Hole in the Wall which is between Little Bear and Cow island. I like this route a lot thought it is about 200 yards of no wake. 4.) between Cow Island and the mainland via the "Barbers Pole". Pay attention coming out to the main lake to avoid markers and "Middle Ground Shoal"....a rocky shoal over a mile from shore this just suddenly appears if you are not looking for it. Marked by markers but people who don't look for them can suddenly be in the middle of them. 19 Mile Bay is a nice easy ride for you as you can easily pick up groceries at the store (limited) as well as lunch and/or ice cream. Otherwise you have significantly longer boat or car rides to get to these types of places on the lake. I find that area to be quieter than the Weirs area with less of the reported insanity. In general, the folks driving through there are locals with good local knowledge of the lake and how to behave on it. Be careful on the Broads when winds exceed 15 mph and/or many boats are about. It can get ugly out there fast. From that area, I find Wolfboro to be the most convenient port to stop into for a nice shore lunch. The docks can get busy but nothing like the Weirs docks or even Merideth. I like the ride to Center Harbor as it seems to be quiet up there and the docks always accessible with easy access to a few restaurants, a hardware store and a short walk to a full grocery store.

06-27-2013, 09:37 AM	#31
Jimmbrooks Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 28 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	All of you have been so helpful, and for that manny thanks. Staying on Whortleberry was what we liked because of how quiet it is. We would like to enjoy some relaxing time with the availability of going to the busier spots if we choose to. Great to point out the many routes to the broads, It is a 2012 sea doo and looks very much like a traditional I/o with jet output. So it does handle waves pretty well. Hope to meet some of you in person this August !! Maybe have a meet and greet, ill have plenty of suds to go around Last edited by Jimmbrooks; 06-27-2013 at 10:15 AM.

06-27-2013, 10:56 AM	#32
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06-27-2013, 11:26 AM	#33
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,568 Thanks: 753 Thanked 353 Times in 265 Posts	Important to note, Went through Sallys Gut on Saturday they went through and marked all the turns with like 5 foot high solid red and Black Markers. very easy to navigate now __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"