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Old 02-20-2014, 09:48 AM   #1
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Lightbulb RC Aircraft flying on Winnipesaukee

How many other RC aircraft pilots are also boaters on Winnipesaukee?

For those that want to know, RC means Radio Control.

I thought it might be fun to have a float fly someday, perhaps from the back of our boats in some quiet cove, or other semi-protected area somewhere.

By quiet / semi-protected, I mean a minimum amount of chop and boat traffic.

Imagine rafting up (or not) and doing some quiet float flying together.

With the plethora of electric (battery powered) aircraft out there, this could be fun as well as envionmentaly friendly.

Anyone else think this could be fun, or am I just too crazy to try to mix a couple of leisure activities together? Or are there not that many other RC pilots on the lake?
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I don't have any RC planes but I do have a RC boat (and several cars/trucks). If you can't get a group to fly and you have a boat maybe that would be a good second idea.
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Who was it that posted a picture of his RC boat with his little dog riding on it? It was quite a while ago but so cute.
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Sure, I'm open minded, RC boats are cool too, but you may have some trouble with your cars and trucks on the lake.
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Sure, I'm open minded, RC boats are cool too, but you may have some trouble with your cars and trucks on the lake.
Not this time of year
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This has been on my list of things to do since I was 10. I tried it with a battery powered hydroplane from tyco a few years back and it was a blast until the first wave swamped the boat and you can imagine the giggles that came from the kids when they saw dad swimming after the boat in his clothes.
I really want to try one of those 4 prop drone types with a go pro camera on it. I think it would be cool to fly over Wolfeboro during the 4th of July parade and other places. Keep an eye out you may see it soon.
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This has been on my list of things to do since I was 10. I tried it with a battery powered hydroplane from tyco a few years back and it was a blast until the first wave swamped the boat and you can imagine the giggles that came from the kids when they saw dad swimming after the boat in his clothes.
I really want to try one of those 4 prop drone types with a go pro camera on it. I think it would be cool to fly over Wolfeboro during the 4th of July parade and other places. Keep an eye out you may see it soon.
I keep seeing these things flying, and the video produced and posted on UTube, and I keep having the following thoughts:

In the event that one should have a mechanical problem and take on the aerodynamic stability of a brick, and then strike someone on the ground, the liability could be pretty high.

I have a friend who is talking about getting one and wants to take it to Braun Bay and fly it over the crowd. Same worry about bodily injury as above, and then posting a video where some folks may not want to see themselves splashed all over the internet. (Back about 44 years ago from right now, I was skiing at Pat's Peak with my soon to be fiancée. We got off the chair lift and as we got ready to ski away, I looked back at the off load area and saw a good friend of mine getting a nice kiss from his skiing companion, who was not his wife. Imagine his surprise when he saw us. Imagine if I had been taking pictures and posting them on the internet .) Be careful who you are posting pics of.

Final thought: When we lived in Bossier City LA, there was an RC airport about a mile from our first house. I was an air traffic controller at the time (yeah, I know, a scary prospect, at least for those who know me), and would go up there and chit chat with the pilots. We were told that one day one of the pilots had a very nice, very large, very expensive plane up flying and as he started to turn it back to the runway, it ceased following his instructions and flew over towards the high school and its parking lots and disappeared. They rushed over to the HS, but the plane was not found. They felt that someone had a high powered remote control that had taken over control, then landed it at the HS. I'm sure that remote controls are far more sophisticated than back in the early 70's, but I would hate to see my $300 and up toy and equally expensive camera go bye bye.

Just an old guy's opinion (liability concerns come from having worked in personal lines insurance, another scary thought.).
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Still seems kind of a cool thing to do, but i understand your point. If I decide to
Move forward with the idea i will give you a heads up post here so that you can wear a helmet at the parade.
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People don't realize that a lot of these RC aircraft are not really toys.

These things can and do go out of control from time to time! Sometimes it's the pilot's fault, other times it's just a failure of some sort.

They can be dangerous to the point of death. Imagine a 1 to 50 pound object flying at 20 to 100 (or more) MPH hititng someone. Not to be morbid, but one must respect them at all times! And don't forget that most of these things are flying with some sort of a meat grinder (propeller) on them.

Even the ones sold as toys can hurt someone.

I fly with plenty of liability insurance, and one of the rules of the insurance is that you can NEVER fly over people.

The most damage I've ever done was to myself as a teenager, getting my thumb stuck in a spinning propeller, and I have the scars to prove it!

But I have crashed a few ($$$)!

With this said, I've taught many people to fly over the years, they are fun and I've been doing this since I was 10 years old (on and off and on again).

I fly both fixed wing (airplane) and rotary wing (helicopter) aircraft.

Prices of these things go from $100 on up to more than you might imagine.

Even the multirotor (the latest fad, lots of people call these 'drones') can be dangerous, but most don't think of it this way. They just see the fun and novelty.

I've also been thinking of configuring a floating multirotor with a camera to do some on-water flying, but the cost, vs the benefit has me holding off. There are some 'toy like' (in price) units that some people fly a go-pro camera on, but they don't fly as stable as the better units (about $1,000). And imagine the cost if they hit the water and sink (even the go-pro camear itself costs $300 to $400)! And one should NEVER fly them over people or near an airport!!

If anyone wants to know more about RC aircraft, I'm happy to answer. It takes a lot of practice and skill to learn to fly one of these.

Even full scale pilots think they can fly an RC plane, but it's a different experience that has to be learned. The major difference that most forget is that you're no longer sitting in the cockpit of the plane, but on the ground watching the aircraft. So you have to learn to fly with it coming towards you, where the controls seem reversed (try doing something while looking in a mirror to see what I mean), as well as all other angles of view. Usually full scale pilots often make the worst RC students, because they think they already know how to fly! Given the proper instruction, they can become good RC pilots too.


But I still think it would be fun to have a few of us flying together from the back of our boats (of course always taking into account all nessesary safety precautions).

Something like this will give you an idea of RC float flying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivTjjBOE1eU
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I keep seeing these things flying, and the video produced and posted on UTube, and I keep having the following thoughts:

In the event that one should have a mechanical problem and take on the aerodynamic stability of a brick, and then strike someone on the ground, the liability could be pretty high.

I have a friend who is talking about getting one and wants to take it to Braun Bay and fly it over the crowd. Same worry about bodily injury as above, and then posting a video where some folks may not want to see themselves splashed all over the internet. (Back about 44 years ago from right now, I was skiing at Pat's Peak with my soon to be fiancée. We got off the chair lift and as we got ready to ski away, I looked back at the off load area and saw a good friend of mine getting a nice kiss from his skiing companion, who was not his wife. Imagine his surprise when he saw us. Imagine if I had been taking pictures and posting them on the internet .) Be careful who you are posting pics of.

Final thought: When we lived in Bossier City LA, there was an RC airport about a mile from our first house. I was an air traffic controller at the time (yeah, I know, a scary prospect, at least for those who know me), and would go up there and chit chat with the pilots. We were told that one day one of the pilots had a very nice, very large, very expensive plane up flying and as he started to turn it back to the runway, it ceased following his instructions and flew over towards the high school and its parking lots and disappeared. They rushed over to the HS, but the plane was not found. They felt that someone had a high powered remote control that had taken over control, then landed it at the HS. I'm sure that remote controls are far more sophisticated than back in the early 70's, but I would hate to see my $300 and up toy and equally expensive camera go bye bye.

Just an old guy's opinion (liability concerns come from having worked in personal lines insurance, another scary thought.).
Not sure if it made the news up here but a friend of mine used to routinely fly RC aircraft on some open land in Waltham. A couple years back his plane crashed...into the National Archives Bldg. He had no idea where the plane crashed but called local police to say it may have hit the Federal Bldg. He was floored when The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI showed up at his home that morning for a federal investigation into the mishap (earlier that year a guy threatened to use RC aircraft to bomb the Pentagon). He had cracked a solar panel too. Nothing came of it but it shows you never know where your property may land and who may come knocking.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...61725948,d.aWc
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I agree that there is a big risk in hurting someone else or their property if things go bad. Therefore, if I do fly it, it will be over unpopulated areas.
I met a guy who received a hefty fine for flying his helicopter over grazing Canadian geese on the golf course he managed. Apparently it scared the heck out of the gees and worked really well in controlling them on the turf grass and greens until the neighboring property complained to the Game warden about what he was doing. His fine was for harassing a federally protected bird. (Please note he was warned verbally by the amused conservation officer not to do it again; he didn't do as asked and was fined in the next incident, so he deservingly got his due.)
Maybe flying the plane on the top of a local mountain would be pretty cool.
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I don't promote hassling wildlife, nor bothering neighbors.

So I would suggest that if anyone is interested in flying over the waters of Winni that we stick with battery powered aircraft. They are environmentally friendly as well as quiet enough not to bother anyone that prefers a quiet lake environment.

Perhaps we'll bring this subject up again to see if there is any interest as boating season opens, and the boating forum is more active.
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I agree that there is a big risk in hurting someone else or their property if things go bad. Therefore, if I do fly it, it will be over unpopulated areas.
I met a guy who received a hefty fine for flying his helicopter over grazing Canadian geese on the golf course he managed. Apparently it scared the heck out of the gees and worked really well in controlling them on the turf grass and greens until the neighboring property complained to the Game warden about what he was doing. His fine was for harassing a federally protected bird. (Please note he was warned verbally by the amused conservation officer not to do it again; he didn't do as asked and was fined in the next incident, so he deservingly got his due.)
Maybe flying the plane on the top of a local mountain would be pretty cool.
Please send that guy over to my house this spring-------
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I did this last summer with my drone and its very safe if you know how to fly it.



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What is that floating in the middle of the 2nd photo with all the people on it????
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That my friend is a dock. They hauled it some 2 hours from the other side of the lake.

I see my boat Thanks for sharing.
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Where were these shots taken?
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Sure looks like Braun Bay.

That dock in the middle leads to all sorts of crazy ideas...but I won't hijack the thread.

I guess the cat is out of the bag with remote drones. RC planes took a certain amount of skill and were voluntarily restricted to a limited audience.

Now a store bought drone is cheap, so I expect an explosion of these things. Followed by an outcry regarding safety and privacy, followed by what, new laws?
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Is that really Braun Bay? I had no idea it got that busy now. I hate to say it to you guys that raft there, but I am sure glad I don't live there. Now that should start a war.
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SO: Are those STILL shots ..Retrieved after the flight..OR are they LIVE (Streaming) Video Feed to the ground during flight...?? Just Wondering. NB
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It actually is my friends barge not a dock.
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This was Braun bay July 4th 2013
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This was Braun bay July 4th 3013
Dam who has the time Machine, I would like to go see new years 3013 myself!!!!!!!!!!

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Mmmmmm.......let's see..........May neighbor likes to sunbathe topless.........
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I am not so sure I would be flying an RC aircraft under the flight path to Laconia airport.

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Without a doubt, I agree! If my previous posting wasn't clear about this, I edited it for clarity!
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Thanks for clarifying, Rich...I think I missed the "size of Lily Pond" and just saw Lilly Pond.

Love your posts on this subject, and am amazed by the size of your "little" plane.

I used to go to a RC airfield in Bossier City LA when I lived down there, and they would on occasion let me do my air traffic controller thing with them (that was my real job at the time.). Love to watch those who know how to fly them well put the planes through their paces.
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Had a great time flying this morning in the still morning air.

Until the control horn ripped itself out of the elevator and it turned into a sea dart. Sacrificed my mini camera to Winni also. Not so happy. :-(
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Ouch! Sorry to hear this.

Where were you flying?

Did the control horn pull out of elevator, or did the clevis part from the control horn?

Normally I secure my clevises (especialy the plastic clevises) with a bit of fuel tubing to keep them from opening in flight.
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Normally I secure my clevises (especialy the plastic clevises) with a bit of fuel tubing to keep them from opening in flight.
I don't know why but this struck me as a) very naughty sounding, and b) out of a Monty Python skit

I'm sorry for the damage to your aircraft, but thank you for the humor break on a crazy day in the office when I'd really prefer to be at the Lake!!

-PIG and all clevises tightly secured!

p.s. on a serious note, I would love to be a spectator sometime if any of the RC flyers are interested in having me, even after the above message...
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It's good to know I could bring a smile to your day.

I'm glad I didn't say something like 'Laytex'!

Right now I don't do much organized flyhing and it seems like not many other pilots are interested in it.

So unless I decide to show up at the forum-fest, you may have a hard time finding me with my aircraft in the air.
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Right in the middle of the lake. The control horn came out of the elevator.

The plane had maybe 100 flights on it, but it led a rough life. It is made out of Depron, which is similar to crunchy smoke. It is the same foam they use for meat packing trays. It is not conducive to boating, especially if there is a dog on board. Makes for an ultra light airframe, that if it hit you, would not be too much different than getting hit with a nerf football.

I was going to try and rebuild, but that front that just went through, picked it up and polished it off. Rip out the expensive parts and build another one....
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