For shame!

[Woodsy]

Helping a friend get his bobhouse off the ice in Meredith bay yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE MESS left behind by a few Ice fishermen! I was really shocked at what these people left behind! WTF!!

Its people like that that ruin it for EVERYONE!

Woodsy

[RLW]

Thanks for posting pictures

That's incredible how they left the mess after enjoying the lake doing their fishing. Hopefully someone that was fishing near them and might know who they were will turn them into the F&G. That is really uncalled for.

[DEJ]

Imagine what is below the ice surface on the bottom that we cannot see.

[4Fun]

With all th pictures of Meredith this winter we should be able to ID who's mess this is.

That's crazy, who would leave it like that? Hopefully they come back to pick up. I would do it myself if I could get up there this week...

[Jeanzb1]

Shocking. I hope they are fined and forced to clean it up -- SOON.

[pcmc]

Originally Posted by Jeanzb1

Shocking. I hope they are fined and forced to clean it up -- SOON.

I second that!

[4Fun]

That is some serious litter. I see bottles, cans, canvas, and a 1lb propane tank in the fire. Can Meredith PD look in to it or is it up to Fish and game?

[Legionnaire70]

Call NATGEO, see if they got that on film.....probly not!

I chiseled all of my blocking out of the ice, these clowns should be ashamed of themselves.

[pcmc]

I know the honest ice fishers will hate me, but maybe F&G needs to organize this winter activity. Similar to a camp ground, sites could be numbered and registered so it's known who is responsible for the bill to clean this up.

[MeredithMan]

Lazy slobs, pure and simple. Explains why there is so much crap floating in the water right after ice-out every year.

[Coolbreeze]

If anything else the karma police will get them.

[Shore Driver]

Originally Posted by Coolbreeze

If anything else the karma police will get them.

Yup. Notify Thom Yorke.

[Onshore]

The thing that sticks ou of that mess for me is the piece of signage. the "UE" with a red stripe at the top and yellow along the bottom. That is hockey related. That is part of a Bauer hockey equipment sign. What would be the best way to get that stuff out of there? Can it be picked up or is it frozen in?

[upthesaukee]

Each year I am beside myself to look out at Alton Bay from the parking lot, and see all the 2x4's or 2x6's left on the ice when bob houses are removed.

As an earlier poster alluded, much like a back packer, if you bring it in, bring it out.

I have often wondered why they would not use a paving brick as a base. At least it will sink with the ice melting, not becoming a floating hazard to boating.

Woodsy, I hesitate to say thanks for posting, because it is so frustrating to see such garbarge left on the lake (ice). It almost looks like that was the site of the bob house fire. If so, someone should have a record of it, either Fish and Game or Meredith FD, or some other agency.

It is such a shame.

[GTO]

with all the trailers, vendors, huts, visitors and everything that was on the ice during pond hockey, when the weekend was over, you'd never know anything took place there. And this one idiot, who I'm sure was set up all winter amongst all the other Meredith bobhouses, leaves this. With everyone out there so close this past winter, someone must know who was in this spot. There's some nice stuff that will be floating around just in time for boating in a few weeks. All the other people cleaned up well before they took their huts off.

[tummyman]

It is really time to charge a stiff fee for each Bob House. It costs me over $100 to register my boat for a short time in the water and pay for protection of the lake. Why does the State allow these guys to get away free for their time on the lake? And in the meantime, develop a fee for any trash left behind that is charged against their driving license renewal. Fees....to start out fee should be a $100 minimum per structure under 20 sq. ft.(4X5 ft) From 21 to 36 sq. ft. (unto 6X6 ft) the fee goes to $150. Over 36 sq. feet, fee is $200. They can register their bob house just like a boat....and get them to place boat type decals on the side in plain view from two directions, just like a boat in large letters/numbers. The state can give them decals just like a boat. It is also incumbent on people to take as many pictures to weed out the jerks. I hope this person is found !!!!!!!

[Legionnaire70]

I bet thats a real nice treat to wake up to looking out from your $800 a night room @ Church landing....

[SunsetPointWentworth]

Pigs. I bet there's a pyramid of empty beer cans, on the bottom, under their fishing hole. Maybe, that's why so many of the lakes in NH, don't allow ice fishing.

[pcmc]

Originally Posted by SunsetPointWentworth

Pigs. I bet there's a pyramid of empty beer cans, on the bottom, under their fishing hole. Maybe, that's why so many of the lakes in NH, don't allow ice fishing.

Interesting and sad, I didn't know some lakes don't allow ice fishing. Unless, there may be a specific reason for that body of water not to allow it. I hope it doesn't fall under 'been there done that, & live and learn.' I hate how one, or a few, can tarnish a reputation of so many other respectable participants.

If the glass is only 1/2 full, I suppose I should thank the rest of the bob houseeries and bob houseerettes for having and showing some respect and cleaning up.

[SunsetPointWentworth]

Originally Posted by pcmc

Interesting and sad, I didn't know some lakes don't allow ice fishing. Unless, there may be a specific reason for that body of water not to allow it. I hope it doesn't fall under 'been there done that, & live and learn.' I hate how one, or a few, can tarnish a reputation of so many other respectable participants.

If the glass is only 1/2 full, I suppose I should thank the rest of the bob houseeries and bob houseerettes for having and showing some respect and cleaning up.

I agree. The vast majority only throw nightcrawlers in the lakes. I'm not sure of the reason's that some lakes don't allow ice fishing. Probably, more to do with fish stock than pollution, but i wouldn't doubt that liter bugs are on the minds of the people who make those decisions. This site has all the restrictions on all the lakes of NH. http://www.eregulations.com/newhamps...special-rules/

[Merrymeeting]

Originally Posted by SunsetPointWentworth

Probably, more to do with fish stock than pollution, but i wouldn't doubt that liter bugs are on the minds of the people who make those decisions. This site has all the restrictions on all the lakes of NH. http://www.eregulations.com/newhamps...special-rules/

As a member of the Merrymeeting Lake Association, I've been contacted several times over the years by other associations inquiring about the status of ice fishing on our lake. In every case, they were contacting us because they were considering a ban due to bad behavior and littering.

As always, the inconsiderate behaviors of a few lead to restrictions on all.

I hope that those responsible for this mess are found and prosecuted/fined to the limits of laws. Better to penalize the few problem makers than hurt the majority who are considerate.

[SAMIAM]

Also.....where do you think the bathrooms are?

[pcmc]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Also.....where do you think the bathrooms are?

Yikes, lol, never thought of that. So I guess it is ok to pee in the lake, you just needs walls on your boat. Not to mention what else they're dumping into the lake. ( ok, yeah a little pun intended). If leaving all that garbage to fall into the lake, I suppose a little toilet paper wouldn't be high on their list of worries.

[Greene's Basin Girl]

Originally Posted by pcmc

Yikes, lol, never thought of that. So I guess it is ok to pee in the lake, you just needs walls on your boat. Not to mention what else they're dumping into the lake. ( ok, yeah a little pun intended). If leaving all that garbage to fall into the lake, I suppose a little toilet paper wouldn't be high on their list of worries.

The ice fishermen probably pee in the same place that boaters pee in during the summer when they anchor for hours on end on the lake.

[RFF]

So as an ice fisherman, and in defense of ice fisherman, I have a comment.

1. Ice fisherman drill holes in the ice to fish. There are no holes anywhere in this picture.

2. The tents in the picture are not ice fishing tents, they are camping tents. Ice fisherman use tents that are better quality and can stand up to harsh conditions. No ice fisherman would use a camping tent- it would get blown right over.

3. There's a banner frozen in the ice. The banner reads BAUER. Bauer is a hockey company: http://www.bauer.com/player/index

If you look at their website you'll see that their logo is the banner in the picture. This debris was left by a hockey gathering, not ice fisherman! It's unfortunate how quickly you guys jumped on board the bandwagon to blame fisherman.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by RFF

So as an ice fisherman, and in defense of ice fisherman, I have a comment.

1. Ice fisherman drill holes in the ice to fish. There are no holes anywhere in this picture.

2. The tents in the picture are not ice fishing tents, they are camping tents. Ice fisherman use tents that are better quality and can stand up to harsh conditions. No ice fisherman would use a camping tent- it would get blown right over.

3. There's a banner frozen in the ice. The banner reads BAUER. Bauer is a hockey company: http://www.bauer.com/player/index

If you look at their website you'll see that their logo is the banner in the picture. This debris was left by a hockey gathering, not ice fisherman! It's unfortunate how quickly you guys jumped on board the bandwagon to blame fisherman.

I think one ice fisherman was being blamed, not all. I think if this happened right after the hockey tournament, we would of seen pictures before now about us all complaining how the hockey tournament crowd left the ice. Yes, that is a Bauer sign in the ice, could of been on the side of their hut, or maybe they were trying to burn that too. There is also a white bucket there that plaster usually comes in....maybe it was a drywaller

[RFF]

Originally Posted by GTO

I think one ice fisherman was being blamed, not all. I think if this happened right after the hockey tournament, we would of seen pictures before now about us all complaining how the hockey tournament crowd left the ice. Yes, that is a Bauer sign in the ice, could of been on the side of their hut, or maybe they were trying to burn that too. There is also a white bucket there that plaster usually comes in....maybe it was a drywaller

That sounds far fetched but I suppose it's possible... although remotely. I had to Google "Bauer" to find out what it was and then it all came together. I mean I certainly wasn't there and it doesn't sound like too many other people were either but nothing I see in that picture points towards ice fisherman. All I'm saying is let's look before we shoot.

[MeredithMan]

So I, too, am an avid ice-fisherman, (and all season fisherman), and I fish almost exclusively in Meredith Bay. And about 20 years and 25 pounds ago, I was an avid hockey player, (now just a fan). I can tell you that this was no hockey game. The condition of the ice in Meredith Bay late this winter would not allow for a hockey game, or any skating. In fact, you couldn't even see the ice under two feet of snow. The portion of the "bauer" sign means nothing

It doesn't really matter whether the people were ice fishermen, hockey players, or aliens from mars....the fact remains they were slobs. The only excuse would be if someone from their group was having the big one and they had to make an emergency run to LRGH, (although, the person would have a better chance of surviving by going to a Vet....but that's another story...)

MM

[RFF]

I suppose you're right it doesn't really matter what the person was doing. It's just such an outrageous scene that no one wants to be associated with it. I get pretty infuriated when I see something like that I guess I jump to a reaction to. I salute the people who cleaned it up!

[BoBo]

Hello all who have been reading this post. The bobhouse in question was directly next to me this year and I also was not impressed! The only help I can offer is they were picking up some of the mess the weekend before ice out and hanging out with Pete who owns "The Lodge" bobhouse. I do not know Pete, but if anyone does, Im sure he could tell you who it was.

[Happy Gourmand]

I have no dog in this hunt, but, it looks like a lot of the debris in question is embedded in the ice. What if the person who had the bobhouse, pulled it off one day but didn't have whatever equipment he felt was needed to chop the ice enough to remove the trash, so he left it...to return a day or whatever later with equipment and enough help to clean it up. I don't know if this is what happened, but the mess is gone.
If this isn't how this went down, then kudos to the individual(s) who did clean it up

[Webbsatwinni]

Makes me think of:

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by tummyman

It is really time to charge a stiff fee for each Bob House. It costs me over $100 to register my boat for a short time in the water and pay for protection of the lake. Why does the State allow these guys to get away free for their time on the lake? And in the meantime, develop a fee for any trash left behind that is charged against their driving license renewal. Fees....to start out fee should be a $100 minimum per structure under 20 sq. ft.(4X5 ft) From 21 to 36 sq. ft. (unto 6X6 ft) the fee goes to $150. Over 36 sq. feet, fee is $200. They can register their bob house just like a boat....and get them to place boat type decals on the side in plain view from two directions, just like a boat in large letters/numbers. The state can give them decals just like a boat. It is also incumbent on people to take as many pictures to weed out the jerks. I hope this person is found !!!!!!!

So once again we have another recreational activity that turns into a pay to play scenario. Bad idea.

First, every single bob house is required to have posted the name and address of the owner. So how would a registration number afixed to a bob house make the responsible party any easier to track down once the house is gone? It doesn't.

Second what do you think the state is going to do with that money? It'll go into the general fund and be spent on anything the nitwits in Concord want to do.

Third, why is it every time there is a problem the first thing that comes to mind is slap some sort of fee or registration on it? Since when has that EVER solved anything? All it does is make enjoying things such as ice fishing more expensive and what makes you think the folks that are out there ice fishing can afford it or would be willing to pay... or is that the overall game plan. Afterall, having to look at all those ice houses out on the lake are an eye sore to the beautiful people. What's next, no bob-house zones?

If I sound a bit trite well I am cause I'm sick to death of fees especially when I see money being collected yet not being spent in support of the betterment of said activity.

Seeing trash left like that gets me just as mad as everyone else, but charging fees for bob houses is a ridiculous idea. Just like it is for canoes and kayaks.

[pcmc]

Agree, fees aren't the answer. Any time an effort is taken to improve anything compensation is wanted or people see it as a way to raise funds for something. People who are working in the office to have this task 'most likely' are already there so the salary is paid anyway. A fee should be so minute to cover materials it would be small.
I didn't know the name and address was on the bob houses already. It doesn't do any good now when they're gone though. A simple organized list of who is on the lake could make people accountable for their own personal landfill. A sticker, or better a flag, would let others know from a glance if they registered or not. 'What if' the towns or F&G took the responsibility and use a flag that was numbered and mounted to the top of the house. It would be addressable to an owner via the reg number and could be reused every year. Hear me out...pay a fee to register and get a flag, then when you return it by a set date you get your fee back unless you damaged the flag. This could be an option for locals while out of town visitors get a different color flag and do not get their fee back. Each flag number could correspond to a lot location on the ice so it's known who is where. Also for visitors or parties, just tell them I'm in bob house #1 in Meredith Bay or what ever.
I can only suggest an idea and hope it might spark a solution from others to help out a sport being embarrassed by a few.

Originally Posted by MAXUM

So once again we have another recreational activity that turns into a pay to play scenario. Bad idea.

First, every single bob house is required to have posted the name and address of the owner. So how would a registration number afixed to a bob house make the responsible party any easier to track down once the house is gone? It doesn't.

Second what do you think the state is going to do with that money? It'll go into the general fund and be spent on anything the nitwits in Concord want to do.

Third, why is it every time there is a problem the first thing that comes to mind is slap some sort of fee or registration on it? Since when has that EVER solved anything? All it does is make enjoying things such as ice fishing more expensive and what makes you think the folks that are out there ice fishing can afford it or would be willing to pay... or is that the overall game plan. Afterall, having to look at all those ice houses out on the lake are an eye sore to the beautiful people. What's next, no bob-house zones?

If I sound a bit trite well I am cause I'm sick to death of fees especially when I see money being collected yet not being spent in support of the betterment of said activity.

Seeing trash left like that gets me just as mad as everyone else, but charging fees for bob houses is a ridiculous idea. Just like it is for canoes and kayaks.

[tabascocat98]

Let's hope Fish and Game recorded their name and address. There still may be consequences. What a shame for sure!

[GTO]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Helping a friend get his bobhouse off the ice in Meredith bay yesterday. UNBELIEVABLE MESS left behind by a few Ice fishermen! I was really shocked at what these people left behind! WTF!!

Its people like that that ruin it for EVERYONE!

Woodsy

Hard to beleive there is not a picture out there of the bobhouse that was there. Someone must have something. Might be able to look at a picture taken during the winter and then stand in the same spot and take the same picture to "place" the house in that location. Maybe use that fold up shanty in the background as a landmark (if it was there when the bobhouse was.) Can you tell I watch Castle?

[CAVU]

Went by today, the mess has been cleaned up, which made my day because I was going to go out clean it..

[ishoot308]

So maybe this was a false alarm?? Maybe whoever made the mess (hockey tournament people, ice fishermen, whoever) had every intention of cleaning it up??

My guess is that it was some local good Samaritan fishermen who probably saw this mess posted and did a good deed!!

Cudos to whoever cleaned it up!!

Dan

[BroadHopper]

Funny how a certain group of people on the lake blame everything on boaters when they should be looking at all the users of the lake, including themselves.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Funny how a certain group of people on the lake blame everything on boaters when they should be looking at all the users of the lake, including themselves.

We don't need legislation as there is already littering laws in place. They just need to be enforced...

Dan

[bclaker]

Since the name and address of the Bob House owner is required to be posted on the house, it shouldn't be too difficult for F&G or the Marine Patrol to tour the problem areas with a GPS and record the info on the houses and their GPS location. I noticed the remains of a fire in the pictures. I thought it was against the law to build a fire on the ice.

[SAB1]

That doesn't always work. Many guys moves their shacks around during the season.