Winnipesaukee.com and Firefox

wifi · 09-03-2014, 07:14 PM

I'm having a devil of a time, actually it doesn't work, trying to access the site via FireFox. Anyone else have this problem? IE (uggg) seems to work...

Started yesterrday or this morning

Slickcraft · 09-03-2014, 07:25 PM

Firefox is all that we ever use, no problem on the forum or anywhere else.

Running version 32.0

upthesaukee · 09-03-2014, 07:41 PM

I signed in just to see if I had a problem in Firefox... none found.

Sorry.

What kind of problems were you having?

wifi · 09-03-2014, 07:59 PM

Hitting enter after the URL, I get a redirect to another page, which is normal, from then on it sits and spins. The bottom says: transferring data from Winnipesaukee.com which never completes

I did get a noscript update within the last few days, but winni.com is on the whitelist.

upthesaukee · 09-03-2014, 08:43 PM

I was using firefox earlier today, and it seemed to be locked up on another website, with an occasional message saying that Firefox was not responding. Down at the bottom left (I think), it said transferring data from ... (can't remember from where).

the next time I went into firefox, it said that a partial update had failed to complete, and did I want to retry. I clicked yes, and it got locked up.

I don't know if the update ever went through.

do do do do, do do do do.... Twilight zone

JasonG · 09-03-2014, 09:01 PM

Universal fix... reboot your PC or Mac.
Make sure you have the latest version of firefox installed.
Make sure your OS (windows, etc) is updated to the latest as well. You may have a new Firefox that requires the latest windows update.

If it loads fast on other browsers, it is firefox.

wifi · 09-04-2014, 03:21 AM

Was running 31.0, upgraded to 32.0, no difference. Left it trying to load and went to bed, this morning, the home page was showing. I know, always rushing, wish I had 5 mins to relax. Anyway, tried experimenting this morning, and it seems the only problem is bringing up the main page to login, takes about 15 minutes to load, after that its fine.

I'll eventually figure it out, was wondering if anyone had seen the same problem.

B-Laps · 09-04-2014, 08:07 AM

Try disabling no script completely while loading the site. If that fixes the issues temporarily then there is something blocked that is delaying the loading of the rest of the site.

jeffk · 09-04-2014, 11:36 AM

Was Firefox V31 but updated to V32. Loaded main page and forum very quickly and without issues.

Running Windows 7 with all up to date components.

wifi · 09-04-2014, 04:51 PM

Running XP, tonight its fine.

jeffk · 09-04-2014, 06:27 PM

I've had lots of problems over the last few years with ads on different sites. They imbed so much scripts, video, java, and other junk that sometimes just clashes with something on my computer. Then a little later, everything works fine. I assume that they either found a problem and pulled the ad or it wasn't delivered in this visit. I had so many problems with one site that I sent an email to complain and they blocked certain ads to my IP address. That ended the problem. Until I went on vacation and tried to access the site (different IP address) and got the full barrage of junk again. I worked around it but it sure is annoying.

The problem is, ad delivery these days is very dynamic, targeted to individual preference. I go to ems.com to look at technical base layers and then I start getting ads from ems on the sites I visit. You look into garden tractors and start getting ads from John Deere. You don't have problems with John Deere ads but there is something flaky about EMS ads so I have problems. Same primary site visited, very different content delivered and resulting behavior.

Also, there are differences in how the different operating systems handle things like scripts, video, and Java. So Windows 7 no problem, XP hangs. It's all supposed to be seamless but it really isn't.

Pineedles · 09-04-2014, 06:36 PM

The list of posters offering help is where I will go next time I have a problem. Thanks guys and gals.

Slickcraft · 09-04-2014, 07:04 PM

Yes one reason why we each may have a different result with the same web site is that our baggage of tracking ads and related scripts is unique to where we have been on the web.

I have used Ghostery on Firefox for the past year, puts an end to tracking ads. At times I have to disable the blocking (easy to do) or whitelist a site (also easy) in order to get a desired script to work, such as a bank log in.

Anyway life is much better without all the tracking ads.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ddon/ghostery/

jeffk · 09-05-2014, 07:07 AM

BTW, another aspect of this is that with all the ads, lots of other web sites are being asked for page information. Those sites can be slow to respond or even unavailable for brief periods of time. Browsers don't like it when things they request are unavailable. They can misbehave badly. Google is so ubiquitous in ad service that when Google servers have a delay browsers can seem to hang. You will usually see a message at the bottom of the screen, "Waiting for a reply from Google" or something like that. Again, it's in Google's business interests to be very fast in response time but the web is not a precision instrument. Hiccups can happen anywhere along the path. Then it comes down to how does your operating system and browser and add-ons all handle such hiccups?

And since each of us have somewhat unique paths to our web destination and such problems can be transient and each of us get unique content that comes down more unique paths, each user experience can be quite different and even different based on time of day and even recent web activity.

It's a very different thing than each of us running MS Excel 2010 and comparing experiences. While there is some variability between users of an installed app, the code running is essentially the same.

Many versions ago it was possible to configure IE to block most ads. What a huge difference in performance and reliability that made. They removed most of that capability in newer versions because, after all, ads are what pay for the web. But when you use the web, consider how much of the content you get is what you asked for and how much is "extra" stuff. As a point of discussion say it is 50% extra stuff. Then half of the bandwidth on the web is unrequested "junk mail". That bandwidth use translates to real costs for the equipment to support it and time to transmit the data. If you have a broadband plan they are charging for amount of content delivered. If half of what is delivered is unasked for and you still have to pay for it ...

09-03-2014, 07:14 PM	#1
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Winnipesaukee.com and Firefox I'm having a devil of a time, actually it doesn't work, trying to access the site via FireFox. Anyone else have this problem? IE (uggg) seems to work... Started yesterrday or this morning

09-03-2014, 07:41 PM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,447 Thanked 1,977 Times in 1,078 Posts	Also on Firefox... I signed in just to see if I had a problem in Firefox... none found. Sorry. What kind of problems were you having? __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-03-2014, 08:43 PM	#5
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,447 Thanked 1,977 Times in 1,078 Posts	Hmmmmm I was using firefox earlier today, and it seemed to be locked up on another website, with an occasional message saying that Firefox was not responding. Down at the bottom left (I think), it said transferring data from ... (can't remember from where). the next time I went into firefox, it said that a partial update had failed to complete, and did I want to retry. I clicked yes, and it got locked up. I don't know if the update ever went through. do do do do, do do do do.... Twilight zone __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-04-2014, 11:36 AM	#9
jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,160 Thanks: 205 Thanked 431 Times in 248 Posts	No problem Was Firefox V31 but updated to V32. Loaded main page and forum very quickly and without issues. Running Windows 7 with all up to date components.

09-04-2014, 07:04 PM	#13
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,279 Thanks: 1,215 Thanked 2,052 Times in 942 Posts	tracking ads Yes one reason why we each may have a different result with the same web site is that our baggage of tracking ads and related scripts is unique to where we have been on the web. I have used Ghostery on Firefox for the past year, puts an end to tracking ads. At times I have to disable the blocking (easy to do) or whitelist a site (also easy) in order to get a desired script to work, such as a bank log in. Anyway life is much better without all the tracking ads. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...ddon/ghostery/

09-03-2014, 07:25 PM	#2
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,279 Thanks: 1,215 Thanked 2,052 Times in 942 Posts	Firefox is all that we ever use, no problem on the forum or anywhere else. Running version 32.0

09-03-2014, 07:59 PM	#4
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Hitting enter after the URL, I get a redirect to another page, which is normal, from then on it sits and spins. The bottom says: transferring data from Winnipesaukee.com which never completes I did get a noscript update within the last few days, but winni.com is on the whitelist.

09-03-2014, 09:01 PM	#6
JasonG Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 310 Thanks: 48 Thanked 45 Times in 33 Posts	Universal fix... reboot your PC or Mac. Make sure you have the latest version of firefox installed. Make sure your OS (windows, etc) is updated to the latest as well. You may have a new Firefox that requires the latest windows update. If it loads fast on other browsers, it is firefox.

09-04-2014, 03:21 AM	#7
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Was running 31.0, upgraded to 32.0, no difference. Left it trying to load and went to bed, this morning, the home page was showing. I know, always rushing, wish I had 5 mins to relax. Anyway, tried experimenting this morning, and it seems the only problem is bringing up the main page to login, takes about 15 minutes to load, after that its fine. I'll eventually figure it out, was wondering if anyone had seen the same problem.

09-04-2014, 08:07 AM	#8
B-Laps Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 15 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Try disabling no script completely while loading the site. If that fixes the issues temporarily then there is something blocked that is delaying the loading of the rest of the site.

09-04-2014, 04:51 PM	#10
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Running XP, tonight its fine.

09-04-2014, 06:27 PM	#11
jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,160 Thanks: 205 Thanked 431 Times in 248 Posts	I've had lots of problems over the last few years with ads on different sites. They imbed so much scripts, video, java, and other junk that sometimes just clashes with something on my computer. Then a little later, everything works fine. I assume that they either found a problem and pulled the ad or it wasn't delivered in this visit. I had so many problems with one site that I sent an email to complain and they blocked certain ads to my IP address. That ended the problem. Until I went on vacation and tried to access the site (different IP address) and got the full barrage of junk again. I worked around it but it sure is annoying. The problem is, ad delivery these days is very dynamic, targeted to individual preference. I go to ems.com to look at technical base layers and then I start getting ads from ems on the sites I visit. You look into garden tractors and start getting ads from John Deere. You don't have problems with John Deere ads but there is something flaky about EMS ads so I have problems. Same primary site visited, very different content delivered and resulting behavior. Also, there are differences in how the different operating systems handle things like scripts, video, and Java. So Windows 7 no problem, XP hangs. It's all supposed to be seamless but it really isn't.

09-04-2014, 06:36 PM	#12
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,541 Thanks: 1,071 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	The list of posters offering help is where I will go next time I have a problem. Thanks guys and gals.

09-05-2014, 07:07 AM	#14
jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,160 Thanks: 205 Thanked 431 Times in 248 Posts	BTW, another aspect of this is that with all the ads, lots of other web sites are being asked for page information. Those sites can be slow to respond or even unavailable for brief periods of time. Browsers don't like it when things they request are unavailable. They can misbehave badly. Google is so ubiquitous in ad service that when Google servers have a delay browsers can seem to hang. You will usually see a message at the bottom of the screen, "Waiting for a reply from Google" or something like that. Again, it's in Google's business interests to be very fast in response time but the web is not a precision instrument. Hiccups can happen anywhere along the path. Then it comes down to how does your operating system and browser and add-ons all handle such hiccups? And since each of us have somewhat unique paths to our web destination and such problems can be transient and each of us get unique content that comes down more unique paths, each user experience can be quite different and even different based on time of day and even recent web activity. It's a very different thing than each of us running MS Excel 2010 and comparing experiences. While there is some variability between users of an installed app, the code running is essentially the same. Many versions ago it was possible to configure IE to block most ads. What a huge difference in performance and reliability that made. They removed most of that capability in newer versions because, after all, ads are what pay for the web. But when you use the web, consider how much of the content you get is what you asked for and how much is "extra" stuff. As a point of discussion say it is 50% extra stuff. Then half of the bandwidth on the web is unrequested "junk mail". That bandwidth use translates to real costs for the equipment to support it and time to transmit the data. If you have a broadband plan they are charging for amount of content delivered. If half of what is delivered is unasked for and you still have to pay for it ...