Vehicle through the ice...

upthesaukee · 02-12-2016, 12:39 PM

Just heard a tone on the scanner for a vehicle through the ice in the vicinity of Whaleback Is. as seen from Bryant Point. Caller reported two or three people in the water, trying to swim to shore.

Call was for the air boat and other emergency equipment.

Call came in about 5 or 6 minutes ago, and the boat is enroute to the lake.

ishoot308 · 02-12-2016, 12:58 PM

Where is that??....

Pricestavern · 02-12-2016, 01:27 PM

Whaleback Island is up near the split between Lee's Mill and Green's Basin

winni83 · 02-12-2016, 01:38 PM

Near Marker 50 I believe.

Shreddy · 02-12-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

Where is that??....

It's the island that is in between the two no wake zones. It separates Balmoral Bay from Lee's mills.

dam1960 · 02-12-2016, 02:15 PM

Always a bit of a slush spot there between the island and main land, if that's the spot it happened. Even on a good ice winter.

upthesaukee · 02-12-2016, 03:23 PM

Had to leave before the responders got on scene, and I have looked at WMUR, Union Leader, and WBIN, and see no new info. Guess we will have to wait for the 11 o'clock news or tomorrow for more info.

webmaster · 02-12-2016, 05:51 PM

http://www.unionleader.com/Large-veh...-Winnipesaukee

http://www.citizen.com/news/2016-02-...onborough.html

Phantom · 02-16-2016, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

http://www.citizen.com/news/2016-02-12/Front_Page/SUV_goes_through_ice_in_Moultonborough.html[/URL]

Don -

Your second link is a dead link unfortunately

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VitaBene · 02-16-2016, 09:28 AM

Both people in the Suburban are OK. The SUV was still in the water last night. It is a difficult spot to recover a vehicle from.

It is a bad area for ice with the current running from Lee's Mills and the Basin. I recall a pickup bobbing closer to the channel about 8 years back- it sat for a long time until they could safely get it out.

The vehicle owner is a forum member...

Pineedles · 02-16-2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

Both people in the Suburban are OK. The SUV was still in the water last night. It is a difficult spot to recover a vehicle from.

It is a bad area for ice with the current running from Lee's Mills and the Basin. I recall a pickup bobbing closer to the channel about 8 years back- it sat for a long time until they could safely get it out.
The vehicle owner is a forum member...

The Suburban owner or pickup owner VitaBene?

VitaBene · 02-16-2016, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

The Suburban owner or pickup owner VitaBene?

Suburban, but he was not in the vehicle- brother and father were.

Yes it was quickly nicknamed the Suburbmarine and we are going to start a pool at Buckey's as to when it will be recovered

Pineedles · 02-16-2016, 09:45 AM

That's great that they got out OK, but with all our chatter about thin/no ice looks like the father and brother should become forum members too.

BTW, sorry you are having such a poor snowmobile season.

VitaBene · 02-16-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

That's great that they got out OK, but with all our chatter about thin/no ice looks like the father and brother should become forum members too.

BTW, sorry you are having such a poor snowmobile season.

Thank you- I have pretty much written this season off! Time to start thinking about boats and motorcycles!

I hear you on the ice- they have lived here there entire lives and likely knew better but...

Winnisquamer · 02-16-2016, 11:25 AM

Whats a Suburban weight 6k empty? And I get nervous just walking out there.

gwhite13 · 02-12-2016, 07:24 PM

I believe two snowmobilers drown right there a few years ago, late at night. Always thin ice in that area. Hope for the best.

dmjr · 02-16-2016, 01:19 PM

This incident involved my brother and father. I would appreciate no more comments about this matter.

thinkxingu · 02-16-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dmjr

This incident involved my brother and father. I would appreciate no more comments about this matter.

I understand not wanting to see criticism of family, but I'm not sure your request is reasonable on a public forum.

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GTO · 02-16-2016, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmjr

This incident involved my brother and father. I would appreciate no more comments about this matter.

Now I can see if it was your family involved in the guy in the kayak thread but I have not read any negativity regarding your family at all here, just discussion. You can't call the local news stations and local media to stop writing the news. We are just glad that they are safe!

ITD · 02-16-2016, 03:49 PM

We all do boneheaded things, just happy they are ok.

Pricestavern · 02-16-2016, 06:44 PM

Erasers on pencils.

dpg · 02-17-2016, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ITD

We all do boneheaded things, just happy they are ok.

Maybe just slightly un-called for???

Mink Islander · 02-17-2016, 07:44 AM

I seem to recall some years back a lot of humor tossed about when a guy drove his Ford Bronco (a white one, no less) out off of Glendale to see whether the ice was thick enough. It wasn't.

Two guys in a Suburban driving THIS WINTER through an area well known to be unsafe in the best of years and suffering the same experience is a indeed a pretty bonehead thing to do.

We're all glad no one was hurt. And there wouldn't be much to laugh about here if they had been injured or killed. But given that they are fine, it's pretty easy to see the humor in this -- especially given the vehicle involved.

So please, to suggest that we aren't allowed to poke a little fun at this because a member of this forum is related to the lakes region's latest winter aquanauts is beyond silly. Just my opinion.

rsmlp · 02-17-2016, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mink Islander

I seem to recall some years back a lot of humor tossed about when a guy drove his Ford Bronco (a white one, no less) out off of Glendale to see whether the ice was thick enough. It wasn't.

Two guys in a Suburban driving THIS WINTER through an area well known to be unsafe in the best of years and suffering the same experience is a indeed a pretty bonehead thing to do.

We're all glad no one was hurt. And there wouldn't be much to laugh about here if they had been injured or killed. But given that they are fine, it's pretty easy to see the humor in this -- especially given the vehicle involved.

So please, to suggest that we aren't allowed to poke a little fun at this because a member of this forum is related to the lakes region's latest winter aquanauts is beyond silly. Just my opinion.

Agreed. Moreover, to ask that this important story not be discussed is naive to the extreme. EVEN if people were hurt-in fact more so if people were hurt. The forum has a responsibility to at the very least elucidate the facts such as they are so that in the future these witless ideas are hopefully mitigated.

fatlazyless · 02-17-2016, 09:20 AM

So, supposedly because a Suburban is an suv with 4-wheel drive, the insurance company will cover the big expense of removing it from the lake, while a 2-wheel drive Suburban would not be covered. The thinking being that 4-wheel drive vehicles are designed for going off road.

That's what has been mentioned on this forum in the past, but it would be interesting to actually see how a specific claim like this one gets treated?

Something tells me the Progressive claims adjuster who reviews individual claims is a person different from Flo, the Progressive tv lady?

AC2717 · 02-17-2016, 10:38 AM

Insurance does not exclude "oh crap moments," not saying this was the case here but we in the industry tend to say: Insurance does not exclude stupidity. Again not saying these people are stupid by any means.

As past discussion has shown and questions asked (and might not apply to this particular situation in this thread), there is where direct writers like the Progressive's and geico's try to cheapen the price of your policies by restricting coverage (where is wher they say they are saving you money. Whether it is a SUV 4x4 or sedan makes no difference, most regional carriers and carriers written through independent agents, this type of situation will not be excluded.

OhYah · 02-18-2016, 11:20 AM

Good luck trying to get this covered by insurance. Shame on the guys who decided to drive out there- smarten up next time.

AC2717 · 02-18-2016, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OhYah

Good luck trying to get this covered by insurance. Shame on the guys who decided to drive out there- smarten up next time.

I am sorry, but being in the industry, this is a case by case basis, depending on your carrier.

side note: really nice first post

Winnisquamer · 02-18-2016, 12:36 PM

I would hope to god people would take the 2 minutes to make a phone call to their agent before driving any car onto the ice before you find out you're sol with a toast car. Then again who knows my brain works atleast 50% of the time

TiltonBB · 02-18-2016, 01:26 PM

This would really s*** if the insurance company said no and you had 4 more years of payments on it!

secondcurve · 02-21-2016, 02:00 PM

Was the truck retrieved this week?

VitaBene · 02-21-2016, 03:24 PM

Yes it is out! They probably have it running! Mechanical family.

ITD · 02-17-2016, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpg

Maybe just slightly un-called for???

I don't think so, but whatever.

I remember in my youthful days walking out onto ice I knew was only about 1.5 inches thick. I, along with several friends got about 15 feet from shore when I heard the first crack under me. I scrambled for shore but the ice gave out in about 4 feet of water. My other friends made it but I ended up wading out of chest deep water. It was about 15 degrees that day and we had a 2 mile walk out of the woods. Plus another 3 mile walk home. I made it out of the woods before I had to call mom for a pickup because my pants had frozen solid and I was getting too cold.

Bone head move, we've all made them.

ApS · 02-17-2016, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITD

I don't think so, but whatever. I remember in my youthful days walking out onto ice I knew was only about 1.5 inches thick. I, along with several friends got about 15 feet from shore when I heard the first crack under me. I scrambled for shore but the ice gave out in about 4 feet of water. My other friends made it but I ended up wading out of chest deep water. It was about 15 degrees that day and we had a 2 mile walk out of the woods. Plus another 3 mile walk home. I made it out of the woods before I had to call mom for a pickup because my pants had frozen solid and I was getting too cold. Bone head move, we've all made them.

My respect for thin ice was developed while playing hockey as a teenager in Rhode Island. This ice was about 1" thick, and I'd "fallen through" a dozen times.

Fortunately, the ice covered a flat pasture, and the earth was only another inch below the playing surface.

Later, on Lake Winnipesaukee, I discovered you can have icy water fill your shoes while still 150 feet from shore and ice-eaters!

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thinkxingu · 02-22-2016, 04:55 PM

I don't want ANY unnecessary oil or chemicals in the lake, especially as the result of a dumb decision.

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NoBozo · 02-22-2016, 06:46 PM

Woodsy is correct. Today's automotive systems are pretty tight. Next to nothing will escape the vehicle.

NB

PS: Who is Budman..? 13 posts in 10 years.../ Just wondering. Methinks Budman has an agenda. He was never there. It never happened. He doesn't even fish.......NOPE

Mink Islander · 02-22-2016, 08:48 PM

Not unless it's after ice out and you're trolling for salmon!

02-12-2016, 12:39 PM	#1
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,595 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,449 Thanked 1,978 Times in 1,079 Posts	Vehicle through the ice... Just heard a tone on the scanner for a vehicle through the ice in the vicinity of Whaleback Is. as seen from Bryant Point. Caller reported two or three people in the water, trying to swim to shore. Call was for the air boat and other emergency equipment. Call came in about 5 or 6 minutes ago, and the boat is enroute to the lake. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

02-12-2016, 12:58 PM	#2
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,215 Thanks: 2,377 Thanked 5,266 Times in 2,046 Posts	??? Where is that??.... __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!

02-12-2016, 01:27 PM	#3
Pricestavern Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Valencia, Spain (formerly Rattlesnake Isle) Posts: 388 Thanks: 135 Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts	Locale Whaleback Island is up near the split between Lee's Mill and Green's Basin

02-12-2016, 03:23 PM	#7
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,595 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,449 Thanked 1,978 Times in 1,079 Posts	Sorry, I had to leave the house after my initial post.. Had to leave before the responders got on scene, and I have looked at WMUR, Union Leader, and WBIN, and see no new info. Guess we will have to wait for the 11 o'clock news or tomorrow for more info. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

02-16-2016, 01:19 PM	#17
dmjr Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 274 Thanks: 2 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts	This incident involved my brother and father. I would appreciate no more comments about this matter. __________________ DMJR Moultonborough, NH

02-12-2016, 01:38 PM	#4
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 426 Thanks: 17 Thanked 212 Times in 134 Posts	Near Marker 50 I believe.

02-12-2016, 02:15 PM	#6
dam1960 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Always a bit of a slush spot there between the island and main land, if that's the spot it happened. Even on a good ice winter.

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02-16-2016, 09:28 AM	#10
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,572 Thanks: 1,606 Thanked 1,629 Times in 837 Posts	Both people in the Suburban are OK. The SUV was still in the water last night. It is a difficult spot to recover a vehicle from. It is a bad area for ice with the current running from Lee's Mills and the Basin. I recall a pickup bobbing closer to the channel about 8 years back- it sat for a long time until they could safely get it out. The vehicle owner is a forum member...

02-16-2016, 09:45 AM	#13
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 1,071 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	That's great that they got out OK, but with all our chatter about thin/no ice looks like the father and brother should become forum members too. BTW, sorry you are having such a poor snowmobile season.

02-16-2016, 11:25 AM	#15
Winnisquamer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Winnisquam Posts: 408 Thanks: 72 Thanked 115 Times in 73 Posts	Whats a Suburban weight 6k empty? And I get nervous just walking out there.

02-12-2016, 07:24 PM	#16
gwhite13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Hanover and Moultonborough Posts: 89 Thanks: 7 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	I believe two snowmobilers drown right there a few years ago, late at night. Always thin ice in that area. Hope for the best.

02-16-2016, 03:49 PM	#20
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,923 Thanks: 476 Thanked 691 Times in 387 Posts	We all do boneheaded things, just happy they are ok.

02-16-2016, 06:44 PM	#21
Pricestavern Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Valencia, Spain (formerly Rattlesnake Isle) Posts: 388 Thanks: 135 Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts	It happens Erasers on pencils.

02-17-2016, 07:44 AM	#23
Mink Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 753 Thanks: 59 Thanked 271 Times in 129 Posts	Political Correctness I seem to recall some years back a lot of humor tossed about when a guy drove his Ford Bronco (a white one, no less) out off of Glendale to see whether the ice was thick enough. It wasn't. Two guys in a Suburban driving THIS WINTER through an area well known to be unsafe in the best of years and suffering the same experience is a indeed a pretty bonehead thing to do. We're all glad no one was hurt. And there wouldn't be much to laugh about here if they had been injured or killed. But given that they are fine, it's pretty easy to see the humor in this -- especially given the vehicle involved. So please, to suggest that we aren't allowed to poke a little fun at this because a member of this forum is related to the lakes region's latest winter aquanauts is beyond silly. Just my opinion.

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02-17-2016, 09:20 AM	#25
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,730 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,003 Times in 731 Posts	So, supposedly because a Suburban is an suv with 4-wheel drive, the insurance company will cover the big expense of removing it from the lake, while a 2-wheel drive Suburban would not be covered. The thinking being that 4-wheel drive vehicles are designed for going off road. That's what has been mentioned on this forum in the past, but it would be interesting to actually see how a specific claim like this one gets treated? Something tells me the Progressive claims adjuster who reviews individual claims is a person different from Flo, the Progressive tv lady? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

02-17-2016, 10:38 AM	#26
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 753 Thanked 353 Times in 265 Posts	Insurance does not exclude "oh crap moments," not saying this was the case here but we in the industry tend to say: Insurance does not exclude stupidity. Again not saying these people are stupid by any means. As past discussion has shown and questions asked (and might not apply to this particular situation in this thread), there is where direct writers like the Progressive's and geico's try to cheapen the price of your policies by restricting coverage (where is wher they say they are saving you money. Whether it is a SUV 4x4 or sedan makes no difference, most regional carriers and carriers written through independent agents, this type of situation will not be excluded. __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

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02-18-2016, 11:20 AM	#27
OhYah Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good luck trying to get this covered by insurance. Shame on the guys who decided to drive out there- smarten up next time.

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02-18-2016, 12:36 PM	#29
Winnisquamer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Winnisquam Posts: 408 Thanks: 72 Thanked 115 Times in 73 Posts	I would hope to god people would take the 2 minutes to make a phone call to their agent before driving any car onto the ice before you find out you're sol with a toast car. Then again who knows my brain works atleast 50% of the time

02-18-2016, 01:26 PM	#30
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 691 Thanked 2,193 Times in 929 Posts	And even worse This would really s*** if the insurance company said no and you had 4 more years of payments on it!

02-21-2016, 02:00 PM	#31
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,116 Thanks: 1,321 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Retrieval Was the truck retrieved this week?

02-21-2016, 03:24 PM	#32
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,572 Thanks: 1,606 Thanked 1,629 Times in 837 Posts	Yes it is out! They probably have it running! Mechanical family.

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02-22-2016, 04:55 PM	#35
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02-22-2016, 06:46 PM	#36
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Woodsy is correct. Today's automotive systems are pretty tight. Next to nothing will escape the vehicle. NB PS: Who is Budman..? 13 posts in 10 years.../ Just wondering. Methinks Budman has an agenda. He was never there. It never happened. He doesn't even fish.......NOPE

02-22-2016, 08:48 PM	#37
Mink Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 753 Thanks: 59 Thanked 271 Times in 129 Posts	No trolling Budman! Not unless it's after ice out and you're trolling for salmon!