sailboat sank Sunday

chasedawg · 08-07-2017, 03:50 PM

I was told by a rescue official that the winds were so strong on Sunday that they had to respond to an emergency at the entrance of Winter Harbor where a sailboat sank in 40 feet of water. Has anyone heard anything about this sinking?

He also said there were several other sailboats that ran into trouble.

ApS · 08-07-2017, 04:21 PM

The winds on Winter Harbor yesterday weren't all that bad; plus, modern small sailboats have flotation to keep them from sinking out of sight.

Between the markers, the entrance to Winter Harbor is only about 20' deep: at Ice-Out, you can see features on the bottom. BUT...Winter Harbor's entrance gets a full-blast of whatever's on the Broads.

In the middle of Winter Harbor, I did see a ~20-foot sailboat—yellow and white—that should have turned back.

tis · 08-07-2017, 05:15 PM

We saw the MP and the Wolfeboro Fire and Rescue Boat go into the dock at a place across from us. There was an ambulance at the Libby Museum at the same time. Wonder if that was the same incident?

FlyingScot · 08-07-2017, 08:36 PM

I "sailed" Melvin Bay yesterday in a 19' Flying Scot (centerboard daysailer).

Yipes! We turned back after about 15 minutes. Big shifting wind combined with lots of cross chop. Just not safe. Water coming over the bow on the return.

FlyingScot · 08-08-2017, 05:07 PM

A buddy of mine is on Tuftonboro Fire and Rescue, he was on backup duty, but the main rescue boat did not need backup. He reports that it was a 17' sailboat that sank completely out of sight. Captain reported that he was turning around after catching a glimpse of the Broads. When he was broadside to the wind his sail caught in the water and that was the end. Another recreational boat picked them up before MP arrived.

A bit of rampant speculation: As ApS points out, boats don't sink. Also, he had to have a very long boom to catch the water before taking in water over the side. So my guess is that he was in an old catboat--old enough for the flotation system to be inoperable for one reason or another, and a catboat to explain how the boom was long enough to catch the water first.

tis · 08-08-2017, 06:20 PM

So did you hear if they got the boat out, Peter? Did it go to the bottom?

ApS · 08-08-2017, 06:55 PM

Tis, From the surface, I'd expect to be able to see it on the bottom—provided it hadn't drifted any distance.

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Originally Posted by PeterG

A buddy of mine is on Tuftonboro Fire and Rescue, he was on backup duty, but the main rescue boat did not need backup. He reports that it was a 17' sailboat that sank completely out of sight. Captain reported that he was turning around after catching a glimpse of the Broads. When he was broadside to the wind his sail caught in the water and that was the end. Another recreational boat picked them up before MP arrived. A bit of rampant speculation: As ApS points out, boats don't sink. Also, he had to have a very long boom to catch the water before taking in water over the side.

So my guess is that he was in an old catboat--old enough for the flotation system to be inoperable for one reason or another, and a catboat to explain how the boom was long enough to catch the water first.

I did see a gaff-rigged sailboat—Saturday. When I saw that Winnipesaukee rarity (traditional white sails) she was a mile away, so I couldn't take a close look at its length. In those waves, a long boom would definitely contribute to a capsize when turning for home.

'Tis a shame to stress that old sailboat in Sunday's winds.

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FlyingScot · 08-08-2017, 07:03 PM

tis, they did not get the boat out on Sunday--they could not even see it. The rescue team said it was as if the boat just disappeared. I do not know if they've been able to raise it since then. If it has not yet been raised, I'd assume it's visible now, at about 30'.

tis · 08-08-2017, 07:24 PM

I am surprised you haven't checked it out yet, APS. I might try to tomorrow. Thanks for the info, Peter.

ApS · 08-08-2017, 08:31 PM

IF I'd wanted to go out in that drizzle and thunder

, I'd have preferred to take those risks by raising those beer cans I'd mentioned earlier.

Based on the wind patterns since then, I'll be looking along Winter Harbor's NE-facing shorelines for wooden boat parts. Unless the skipper has claimed his boat for insurance, he'd want them returned. Carry Beach should already have some interesting "flotsam".

OTOH, an abandoned boat would be a magnet for snorkelers or divers; that is, if the "wreck" is far away from Winter Harbor's ever-bustling entrance.

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Senter Cove Guy · 08-08-2017, 09:34 PM

Here's a side scan of it from this morning.
About 58 feet deep.

ApS · 08-08-2017, 11:46 PM

I've done a little "side-scan" of my own.

Not surprised to see it standing upright: still, at 58', it's not likely a snorkeler could see the top of the mast—this time of year.

The other "lumps" are boulders?

Pineedles · 08-09-2017, 07:28 PM

ApS. That side scan you posted was not your own. It was Senter Cove Guy's, turned around. Please don't try and suggest that you created this one by saying you have done some side scans. Or am I being too picky?

Senter Cove Guy · 08-09-2017, 07:33 PM

The sailboat was recovered this morning. After being brought to the surface, it was pumped out and towed back to its owner.

kawishiwi · 08-09-2017, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

ApS. That side scan you posted was not your own. It was Senter Cove Guy's, turned around. Please don't try and suggest that you created this one by saying you have done some side scans. Or am I being too picky?

Way too picky...read the post again.

ApS · 08-09-2017, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

ApS. That side scan you posted was not your own. It was Senter Cove Guy's, turned around. Please don't try and suggest that you created this one by saying you have done some side scans. Or am I being too picky?

Risking xenophobia, I couldn't overlook the Alien rising through Lake Winnipesaukee's lowest threshold.

Having greater mass than us puny humans, the Alien may have contributed to the "gravity" of the situation. IDK...

Senter Cove Guy · 12-09-2017, 03:53 PM

I thought that I posted this video of the sailboat recovery awhile ago but can't seem to find it.

Skip to the 3:00 mark to save time.

http://youtu.be/GPslXQJOWXk

FlyingScot · 12-09-2017, 05:29 PM

Thanks, SCG--really cool

fatlazyless · 12-09-2017, 05:35 PM

... isn't that sunk boat an old wood 17' Cat sailboat with a heavy keel beneath it .....like maybe a 1923 Crosby Cat, made in Cotuit, Mass.

....for want of two monster foam noodles ..... available at Walmart in three colors .....green, blue, or red ..... on super sale at 2/$6 ..... that have sooooo much floatation.....just two monster foam noodles.....one lashed to the port thwart .....and one to starboard ....and the old Cat sailboat would never have sunk ..... don't u know .... plus there would be no super duper expensive retrieval fee.....to fetch it up from the deep.... just two monster Walmart noodles ...... hindsight is so totally 20-20 ...... boo-hoo-hoo

AC2717 · 12-11-2017, 12:10 PM

So I have a question about the recovery

Once the air bag floats up to the surface the hull is still underwater. What are the next few steps to get the hull above the service floating again?

thank you

08-07-2017, 03:50 PM	#1
chasedawg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melvin village Posts: 524 Thanks: 515 Thanked 315 Times in 149 Posts	sailboat sank Sunday I was told by a rescue official that the winds were so strong on Sunday that they had to respond to an emergency at the entrance of Winter Harbor where a sailboat sank in 40 feet of water. Has anyone heard anything about this sinking? He also said there were several other sailboats that ran into trouble.

08-07-2017, 04:21 PM	#2
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,951 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 781 Times in 557 Posts	This Sailor Wasn't Going "Out-There", But... The winds on Winter Harbor yesterday weren't all that bad; plus, modern small sailboats have flotation to keep them from sinking out of sight. Between the markers, the entrance to Winter Harbor is only about 20' deep: at Ice-Out, you can see features on the bottom. BUT...Winter Harbor's entrance gets a full-blast of whatever's on the Broads. In the middle of Winter Harbor, I did see a ~20-foot sailboat—yellow and white—that should have turned back. __________________ Is it "Common Sense" isn't.

08-08-2017, 05:07 PM	#5
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,428 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 1,034 Times in 640 Posts	More info and some speculation A buddy of mine is on Tuftonboro Fire and Rescue, he was on backup duty, but the main rescue boat did not need backup. He reports that it was a 17' sailboat that sank completely out of sight. Captain reported that he was turning around after catching a glimpse of the Broads. When he was broadside to the wind his sail caught in the water and that was the end. Another recreational boat picked them up before MP arrived. A bit of rampant speculation: As ApS points out, boats don't sink. Also, he had to have a very long boom to catch the water before taking in water over the side. So my guess is that he was in an old catboat--old enough for the flotation system to be inoperable for one reason or another, and a catboat to explain how the boom was long enough to catch the water first.

08-08-2017, 08:31 PM	#10
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,951 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 781 Times in 557 Posts	Name: Hesperus? IF I'd wanted to go out in that drizzle and thunder , I'd have preferred to take those risks by raising those beer cans I'd mentioned earlier. Based on the wind patterns since then, I'll be looking along Winter Harbor's NE-facing shorelines for wooden boat parts. Unless the skipper has claimed his boat for insurance, he'd want them returned. Carry Beach should already have some interesting "flotsam". OTOH, an abandoned boat would be a magnet for snorkelers or divers; that is, if the "wreck" is far away from Winter Harbor's ever-bustling entrance. . __________________ Is it "Common Sense" isn't.

08-08-2017, 09:34 PM	#11
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 604 Thanks: 298 Thanked 431 Times in 142 Posts	Sailboat On The Bottom Here's a side scan of it from this morning. About 58 feet deep. Attached Images __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer.

08-07-2017, 05:15 PM	#3
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,782 Thanks: 755 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,023 Posts	We saw the MP and the Wolfeboro Fire and Rescue Boat go into the dock at a place across from us. There was an ambulance at the Libby Museum at the same time. Wonder if that was the same incident?

08-07-2017, 08:36 PM	#4
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,428 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 1,034 Times in 640 Posts	I "sailed" Melvin Bay yesterday in a 19' Flying Scot (centerboard daysailer). Yipes! We turned back after about 15 minutes. Big shifting wind combined with lots of cross chop. Just not safe. Water coming over the bow on the return.

08-08-2017, 06:20 PM	#6
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,782 Thanks: 755 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,023 Posts	So did you hear if they got the boat out, Peter? Did it go to the bottom?

08-08-2017, 07:03 PM	#8
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,428 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 1,034 Times in 640 Posts	tis, they did not get the boat out on Sunday--they could not even see it. The rescue team said it was as if the boat just disappeared. I do not know if they've been able to raise it since then. If it has not yet been raised, I'd assume it's visible now, at about 30'.

08-08-2017, 07:24 PM	#9
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,782 Thanks: 755 Thanked 1,467 Times in 1,023 Posts	I am surprised you haven't checked it out yet, APS. I might try to tomorrow. Thanks for the info, Peter.

08-08-2017, 11:46 PM	#12
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,951 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 781 Times in 557 Posts	Winnipesaukee's "Gold Ghost"... I've done a little "side-scan" of my own. Not surprised to see it standing upright: still, at 58', it's not likely a snorkeler could see the top of the mast—this time of year. The other "lumps" are boulders? Attached Images __________________ Is it "Common Sense" isn't.

08-09-2017, 07:28 PM	#13
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,548 Thanks: 1,073 Thanked 669 Times in 368 Posts	ApS. That side scan you posted was not your own. It was Senter Cove Guy's, turned around. Please don't try and suggest that you created this one by saying you have done some side scans. Or am I being too picky?

08-09-2017, 07:33 PM	#14
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 604 Thanks: 298 Thanked 431 Times in 142 Posts	She's Up The sailboat was recovered this morning. After being brought to the surface, it was pumped out and towed back to its owner. __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer.

12-09-2017, 03:53 PM	#17
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 604 Thanks: 298 Thanked 431 Times in 142 Posts	Sailboat Recovery Video I thought that I posted this video of the sailboat recovery awhile ago but can't seem to find it. Skip to the 3:00 mark to save time. http://youtu.be/GPslXQJOWXk __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer.

12-09-2017, 05:29 PM	#18
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,428 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 1,034 Times in 640 Posts	Thanks, SCG--really cool

12-09-2017, 05:35 PM	#19
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,810 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,027 Times in 747 Posts	... isn't that sunk boat an old wood 17' Cat sailboat with a heavy keel beneath it .....like maybe a 1923 Crosby Cat, made in Cotuit, Mass. ....for want of two monster foam noodles ..... available at Walmart in three colors .....green, blue, or red ..... on super sale at 2/$6 ..... that have sooooo much floatation.....just two monster foam noodles.....one lashed to the port thwart .....and one to starboard ....and the old Cat sailboat would never have sunk ..... don't u know .... plus there would be no super duper expensive retrieval fee.....to fetch it up from the deep.... just two monster Walmart noodles ...... hindsight is so totally 20-20 ...... boo-hoo-hoo __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 12-09-2017 at 06:17 PM.

12-11-2017, 12:10 PM	#20
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,585 Thanks: 756 Thanked 356 Times in 268 Posts	So I have a question about the recovery Once the air bag floats up to the surface the hull is still underwater. What are the next few steps to get the hull above the service floating again? thank you __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"