Laconia to vote on allowing sports betting

[webmaster]

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...MHFLYw0r1LtlrI

[joey2665]

I would like to see the breakdown between the state and city for the betting locations but in any event it would be wise to allow sports betting otherwise you will just end up losing the potential revenue to a nearby city.


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[fatlazyless]

If NH-Lottery, sports betting, gets passed in the City of Laconia elections on Tuesday, Nov 5 by the Laconia voters ..... does that mean that sometime in the not-too-far future there will be one or more retail locations in Laconia where it will be possible to bet say ..... five dollars ..... on a professional men's or women's tennis match held in a tournament like at Wimbledon ..... and do it in Laconia, NH ..... as is possible to do in London, England?


........ no way ..... will never-ever happen here ....... and, that's a bet????


Something tells me that betting on tennis in Laconia would quickly become more popular than hitting tennis in Laconia ... because the Laconia courts do not have any hitting back boards, yet.


October 29, 2019 ...... http://www.casino.org/news/nh-lotter...sports-betting .... Hellooooo Massachusetts ........ Welcome to New Hampshire - the betting state! ....... "the first bet could be placed by January." .... click on the blue links to Gov Chris Sununu ....... and ...... New Hampshire's sports betting law


As far as I know, Walmart in NH, with 30-big stores all across this small state, does not sell any NH lottery tickets including no scratch tickets ..... hurray for Walmart! .... another good reason to go to Walmart along with their $1.16 small brown bag of seasoned, hot, ready to eat, baked potato wedges! ....


All you can lose is your money ... .... so, how about a sports betting venue when you step inside a Laconia-Cumberland Gas, or a Laconia- Irving Gas .....and you can honestly say 'that will be $10-gas on pump #2 ..... and $10 on Serena Williams to beat Simona Halep!'

..........


"Brick-and-mortar sports books will be limited to up to ten locations statewide." is what it says in the Sept 23, 2019 linked article in Casino.org, via the above blue link, which says to me that sports betting in NH will not be happening at the local Laconia Irving or Cumberland gas that sells lottery tickets, but will happen at up to ten sports book locations across the state, plus on-line with the NH Lottery.

Who knows, but just maybe Laconia will win big with one of the ten sports book locations actually getting situated somewhere in Laconia. Like, why not! Laconia is centrally located in NH, and a sports book state outlet in Laconia could be a winning fit ... a precursor to a gambling casino getting built on the vacant 6-acre lot, down the hill next to the Weirs Cumberland gas station. Come to Laconia and win big!

To make that happen, sports book betting in Laconia has to get voted yes in next Tuesday's Laconia election.

If the Laconia voters say yes, and one of the ten State of NH 'brick-and-mortar' sports book locations opens in Laconia ...... then, what's the cut for Laconia ..... what does Laconia get? The State of NH definitely has a terrible recent history for not helping its local towns by not sharing its' state money with the towns.

What's a good name for these 'up to ten locations, state wide' ....... how's about calling them a 'State of NH roadhouse' ..... and, does Laconia want to have its very own 'state roadhouse' for placing sport bets?


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[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Just asking did "Sports Betting" pass ? in Laconia even if it did I think ? the next step is up to the legislature to possibly award the licence. But no guarantee you get the sports betting even if it passes the city vote. Next the towns get to vote in the spring elections.

In my home town we are hoping we win one of the slots but won't know till spring til after our election. (we are a town and not a city, different voting process)

Yes it did


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[FlyingScot]

This would be a great neighbor for the Netflix Gentlemen's Club

[Billy Bob]

I’m sure sports betting will help attract top quality professionals to the Laconia area. Already number one in drug abuse, add the ability to squander the rest of their money on gambling and it sounds like a great family town.
Perhaps add in legalizing prostitution and it will be the next Vegas

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

I’m sure sports betting will help attract top quality professionals to the Laconia area. Already number one in drug abuse, add the ability to squander the rest of their money on gambling and it sounds like a great family town.

Perhaps add in legalizing prostitution and it will be the next Vegas

You would be very surprised at who the people that bet are. They are not the vagrant drug user types. They are young professionals and people in there mid 20s into their 50-60s that enjoy and bet on sports.


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[MAXUM]

I love how the "appearance" of those doing this some how makes this a great idea. I would argue otherwise but that's not even the point. Most who gamble can't afford to, that's why they are gambling in the first place.

Laconia will be worse off for this but who cares it's all about the $$$.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love how the "appearance" of those doing this some how makes this a great idea. I would argue otherwise but that's not even the point. Most who gamble can't afford to, that's why they are gambling in the first place.

Laconia will be worse off for this but who cares it's all about the $$$.

I’m sorry I disagree. Many that do this new type of sports betting, especially those in my generation and the next ie those in their mid 30s to mid 50s, on the apps are doing it to enhance their experience of watching the games much like fantasy sports and not because they are trying to make a windfall and bet money they don’t have. Has sports betting killed Delaware or Las Vegas, I don’t think so.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Most who gamble can't afford to, that's why they are gambling in the first place.

You serious? You think most people gamble to make money? Casinos aren't built on poor people.

I like the idea of gambling being a "tax on the uneducated," but it's not nearly true.

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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

You serious? You think most people gamble to make money? Casinos aren't built on poor people.

I like the idea of gambling being a "tax on the uneducated," but it's not nearly true.

Gamblers come from all economic strata, from the welfare mother playing the lottery to the cabinet member with a yen for high limit slots.

Some need the money, most don't: it's the thrill of the bet, the stimulation, that keeps them coming back.

[FlyingScot]

Let's not get hung up on details. I think we'd all agree that if you like Laconia's honky tonk style and/or think that just about any legal business is good business, then gambling would be a welcome addition. But if you'd prefer that Laconia move a bit upscale--more like Meredith or Wolfeboro for example--then you probably think gambling's a bad idea.

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

You serious? You think most people gamble to make money? Casinos aren't built on poor people.

I like the idea of gambling being a "tax on the uneducated," but it's not nearly true.

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Betting shop locations in the UK strongly correlate with areas of deprivation.

[Susie Cougar]

Look at the success that Dover Downs in Delaware has experienced.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

Betting shop locations in the UK strongly correlate with areas of deprivation.

This isn’t the UK by a long stretch.


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[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by joey2665

This isn’t the UK by a long stretch.


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4 ways the lottery preys on the poor

So we have poor people playing the lottery, poor people gambling in betting shops in the UK, but betting shops in the US will be a middle-class hang out? Sure.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

4 ways the lottery preys on the poor

So we have poor people playing the lottery, poor people gambling in betting shops in the UK, but betting shops in the US will be a middle-class hang out? Sure.

Yes have you been to the betting outlets in Vegas or Delaware. As I said above many here use sports betting here not as a means but as a way of enhancing watching the events.


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[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Yes have you been to the betting outlets in Vegas or Delaware. As I said above many here use sports betting here not as a means but as a way of enhancing watching the events.


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There are definitely casinos and sports books that cater to middle and upper class people, sure, but that doesn't mean that gambling as an industry is focused only on this market.

Most of the money lost on casino gambling around the country, up to 80 percent, comes from households earning less than $50,000 a year

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

There are definitely casinos and sports books that cater to middle and upper class people, sure, but that doesn't mean that gambling as an industry is focused only on this market.

Most of the money lost on casino gambling around the country, up to 80 percent, comes from households earning less than $50,000 a year

Ok so that article is 6 years old before this new type of legal app betting on sports so I would question the relevance.


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[Oblio13]

I lived in Connecticut when Indian casinos became a thing, and I lived near the Mohawk reservation in upstate New York.

If you allow gambling into your community, it will be accompanied by unsavory elements.

And what you will see over and over is lower-income housewives gambling away the mortgage money.

[JEEPONLY]

You ever wait in a line of those people having their losing tickets scanned in the store?- then you wait, some more, while they decide what other ways to waste their (cash) money. The percentage of "winners" must be very high (ha ha) because they keep coming back for more, expecting a different result.

Then they use a credit/debit card to buy a coffee and doughnut for three dollars!

Pathetic.

Lottery tickets of any kind take the word "convenience" out of the meaning of the name Convenience Store.

They ARE the poor peoples' tax.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Yes have you been to the betting outlets in Vegas or Delaware. As I said above many here use sports betting here not as a means but as a way of enhancing watching the events.


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OK, so we shouldn't worry because our plan is to make Laconia more like Vegas?

[fatlazyless]

On November 5, 45-year old Gov Chris Sununu tweeted: "Sports betting is the right bet for New Hampshire. I urge voters in Manchester, Nashua, Dover, Rochester, Claremont, Berlin, Laconia, Concord, and Somersworth to allow retail sports betting in their cities."

Laconia doesn't qualify for one of the state liquor store "77-convenient locations", and the governor wants Laconia to get one of the ten sports betting, state road house venues.

On August 10, 2019, Gov Sununu vetoed the minimum wage increase that was passed by the legislature. It would have raised the NH minimum wage from its current $7.25/hour up to $10/hour in 2020, and up to $12/hour in 2022.

Of all six New England states, New Hampshire-7.25 has the lowest minimum wage by a lot: Me-11.00, Vt-10.78, Ma-12.00, RI-10.50, Ct-11.00.

[8gv]

I do not gamble but...

Different people enjoy different types of entertainment.

Some golf, bowl, see movies in a theatre, knit, or buy antiques.

It makes no difference to me what other people do with their money.



Regarding the payment of a $3 purchase with a credit card...

Credit card rewards programs incentivize this.

My wife has companion status with her Southwest Air credit card rewards program.

That results in me flying for free (with her) about twelve times a year.

In the business from which I retired, transaction speed was critically important.

It was determined that a cashless (credit card or debit card) transaction was faster than a cash transaction.

Customers fiddling with their coins and bills took longer than those who simply presented their card.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by 8gv

I do not gamble but...

Different people enjoy different types of entertainment.

Some golf, bowl, see movies in a theatre, knit, or buy antiques.

It makes no difference to me what other people do with their money.



Regarding the payment of a $3 purchase with a credit card...

Credit card rewards programs incentivize this.

My wife has companion status with her Southwest Air credit card rewards program.

That results in me flying for free (with her) about twelve times a year.

In the business from which I retired, transaction speed was critically important.

It was determined that a cashless (credit card or debit card) transaction was faster than a cash transaction.

Customers fiddling with their coins and bills took longer than those who simply presented their card.

That is all true and credit, if managed correctly, can be a benefit.

However, less than 40% of people pay their credit cards in full every month so they are subject to interest. The average interest rate for new credit cards is 19.21%.

People on the lower earning end of the spectrum who always use credit cards are giving up almost $1 out of every $5 they take home just to pay that interest.

Businesses that operate on slim margins need to charge more to offset the fees they lose to credit card companies. For that reason, in many cases as consumers we pay a higher price.

So, credit managed poorly is expensive!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

OK, so we shouldn't worry because our plan is to make Laconia more like Vegas?

Read my previous posts your missing the point, which is that just because there are betting outlets doesn’t mean it will attack all types of vagrants. For years in New York they had off track horse betting outlets that made a good amount of money and did not deteriorate neighborhoods. There downfall was being run by the state instead of being put out to bid to private companies.


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Read my previous posts your missing the point, which is that just because there are betting outlets doesn’t mean it will attack all types of vagrants. For years in New York they had off track horse betting outlets that made a good amount of money and did not deteriorate neighborhoods. There downfall was being run by the state instead of being put out to bid to private companies.


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I got your point, which has already been already refuted by others. But while you were assuring us we did not have to worry about some problems, you were reminding us that there was another problem too--looking more like Vegas is not a good thing.

Also--"vagrants"? I'm pretty sure that the people others have been referring to as victims of gambling are often working class folks so desperate for a break that they fall for the false promise of a big win.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Perhaps add in legalizing prostitution and it will be the next Vegas

What are you talking about?

Prostitution is NOT legal in Las Vegas.

Sports betting and gambling are permitted, but not the world's oldest profession.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Just asking did "Sports Betting" pass ? in Laconia even if it did I think ? the next step is up to the legislature to possibly award the licence. But no guarantee you get the sports betting even if it passes the city vote. Next the towns get to vote in the spring elections.

In my home town we are hoping we win one of the slots but won't know till spring til after our election. (we are a town and not a city, different voting process)

The state has already put out bids and for online and locations Draft King’s were the top bidder for both types of waging.


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[fatlazyless]

http://www.sportshandle.com/nh-citie...ports-betting/

So, with Nashua and Concord voting no, that would seem to increase the chance for Laconia to get a NH-Lottery, sports betting store.

Probably, a Laconia location would cost a much lower monthly rent than in Nashua or Concord, plus Laconia voted yes by 51%, while Nashua and Concord voted no.

Laconia is centrally located, in the lakes region, and has easy access off Route 93 via Exit 21. ....... Exit 21 was designed, but never built, making Laconia a wee bit out-of-the-way.

So, who knows, maybe they will toss darts at a NH map on the wall, down at the Lottery Hq in Concord, and make the decision with darts?

Whether its the daily numbers, scratch tickets, keno, or sports betting ...... you are an automatic winner ..... by NOT buying any of it. NH Lottery numbers, scratch tickets, keno and now, sports betting ..... is a lose, lose, lose, lose situation.

For one dollar, you can buy a high quality, large, hard cover book on many different subjects at either the Salvation Army or St Vincent de Paul ..... both in Laconia.

A great big THANK-YOU to everyone in NASHUA who voted NO ...... Nashua was the Massachusetts prize location for sports betting in New Hampshire ..... and Nashua said NO by 4730-4665 .... a very close 50.1% no vote ..... and, it will probably be back on the ballot, next year.

[WinnisquamZ]

Who are you to tell us how we can and cannot spend our money! I would be happy to place a bet on the Pats then go to Walmart and buy China garbage. A Casino and Sports Book in this area works. Something that us retires would enjoy


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[WinnisquamZ]

Move a bit upscale. Haha. Once the clinics and section 8 housing has been reduced or removed then we can move forward. Until then it’s stay the course


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[LongshotLombard]

I just got back from Vegas, had a great time with friends and actually won. I would love to come up to my cabin and be able to bet a football parlay for 25 bucks, Weak minded people will bet Their paychecks, most of us are much too smart. Happy Gamer Cousin Vinny

[WinnisquamZ]

This conversation reminded me of one I had with my father’s advisor. Asked him to explain why it was ok for my father to travel and spend 2k a month, but if he preferred to spend that same amount at a casino it was a mistake. Why must others judge what someone finds enjoyable? $100 on the Pats to win by six or 18 at the LCC it is still money spent. Would also add the 100 on 18 is gone. The 100 on the Pats could double. A better investment!!!


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[fatlazyless]

With Gov Chris Sununu's endorsement and support on NH-state lottery, sports betting, it's a sure bet to turn Laconia's drug addiction problem into a gambling problem, too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_gambling

[MAXUM]

LOL

The democrats have been pushing casino gambling since 1999. Latest attempt Senate Bill 310 which was.... wait for it.... sponsored by a democratic majority.

You will also be shocked to know that when Gov. Hassan was in office as governor she was outspoken in her support of legalizing gambling in fact she addressed at the time the entire house democrat caucus to urge their support in 2015.

A bad idea is a bad idea doesn't matter who supports it and both political parties are to blame for this not just one. Nice try...….

https://www.casino.org/news/new-hamp...sino-gambling/

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

LOL

The democrats have been pushing casino gambling since 1999. Latest attempt Senate Bill 310 which was.... wait for it.... sponsored by a democratic majority.

You will also be shocked to know that when Gov. Hassan was in office as governor she was outspoken in her support of legalizing gambling in fact she addressed at the time the entire house democrat caucus to urge their support in 2015.

A bad idea is a bad idea doesn't matter who supports it and both political parties are to blame for this not just one. Nice try...….

https://www.casino.org/news/new-hamp...sino-gambling/

I agree, and I'm a Democrat. Deval Patrick played a central role in Massachusetts casinos. Both parties have been too supportive of gambling.

[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I agree, and I'm a Democrat. Deval Patrick played a central role in Massachusetts casinos. Both parties have been too supportive of gambling.

Deval's largely responsible for the downturn of Massachusetts.

[fatlazyless]

Will New Hampshire Lottery-sports betting find a home in Laconia?

For a totally super-duper, year-round Laconia location, I think sports betting could be a great fit in one of the New Hampshire Veterans Association buildings at Weirs Beach, directly across from the big lake.

Come to Weirs Beach, and win big at the big lake!

There is one New Hampshire Veterans Association building there close to the corner, directly on the sidewalk without having to walk up the steep embankment, that used to be a pizza restaurant maybe ten years ago, which could be a winning play ...... I think.

Hey there Senator Lou D' ...... buddy ...... down in Manchester ..... how do you like this one ...... "Come to Weirs Beach, and win big at the big lake!"

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Will New Hampshire Lottery-sports betting find a home in Laconia?

For a totally super-duper, year-round Laconia location, I think sports betting could be a great fit in one of the New Hampshire Veterans Association buildings at Weirs Beach, directly across from the big lake.

Come to Weirs Beach, and win big at the big lake!

There is one New Hampshire Veterans Association building there close to the corner, directly on the sidewalk without having to walk up the steep embankment, that used to be a pizza restaurant maybe ten years ago, which could be a winning play ...... I think.

Hey there Senator Lou D' ...... buddy ...... down in Manchester ..... how do you like this one ...... "Come to Weirs Beach, and win big at the big lake!"

How many times are you going to repeat this?

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Biggd

How many times are you going to repeat this?

Today is Tuesday, Nov 26, and yesterday on Monday, Nov 25, the five member NH Governor's Council, at the State House, voted to approve to go forward with the proposed NH Lottery-sports betting, so the possibilty for sports betting to have a permanent home in Laconia just took a very large step forward, yesterday.

Helloooooo Senator Lou D' in Manchester ..... come to Weirs Beach and win big at the big lake! The NH Veterans Assoc has a very happening, potential spot!

Weirs Beach loves you ......... Senator Lou ...... buddy!

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

This conversation reminded me of one I had with my father’s advisor. Asked him to explain why it was ok for my father to travel and spend 2k a month, but if he preferred to spend that same amount at a casino it was a mistake. Why must others judge what someone finds enjoyable? $100 on the Pats to win by six or 18 at the LCC it is still money spent. Would also add the 100 on 18 is gone. The 100 on the Pats could double. A better investment!!!

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First off I would suggest your father considers looking for a new advisor. If his advice was truly "this leisure pursuit is ok but this one is a mistake" then he sounds like a terrible advisor.

Second, no one on this conversation is trying to say that there is anything wrong with an occasional flutter or gambling as a leisure activity. What we are saying is that:

1) When people can gamble, some people will develop gambling addictions

2) A high proportion of gambling profits come from lower income households

Whether you think this is a problem or not comes down to individual social ideologies. If you think it is a problem, there is a decision on is it my (or the state's) problem or is it a problem of individual responsibility. If you think it is a problem that we should do something about as a society, how should it be dealt with (limits, advertising restrictions, funding of gambling-addict services, etc.).

Yes, there are different opinions and ways to look at this issue but opinions aren't facts. Just because you, or I, or many others can spice up a football game by throwing down an inconsequential $50, or take a fun weekend trip to Atlantic City, doesn't change the fact that the gambling industry is mainly a "poor tax".

[WinnisquamZ]

Sports betting starts January 1st. 51% of the gross sales go to the state. Thinking a 100 bet on the Pats is a better play then a scratch ticket. Don’t recall reading if the current city council will allow it


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