Local Moultonboro Restaurant Closes - Covid

[TheProfessor]

A very popular restaurant on Route 25 Moultonborough has closed due to Covid-19.

[WinnisquamZ]

Same for Christmas Island. Gave it two months

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Same for Christmas Island. Gave it two months


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Christmas Island closed? Passed last night couple cars in the lot lights on and inside looked decorated for Christmas. No pun. Lol

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[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Christmas Island closed? Passed last night couple cars in the lot lights on and inside looked decorated for Christmas. No pun. Lol

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Drove by earlier in the week. Sign said closed to further notice. Change of heart?

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Drove by earlier in the week. Sign said closed to further notice. Change of heart?

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Not sure I’ll pass by again tomorrow and check it out

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[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Drove by earlier in the week. Sign said closed to further notice. Change of heart?

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The sign advertises take out Thanksgiving dinners to go.....

[longislander]

New Hampshire
"Emergency Order 74 - An order requiring persons to wear masks or cloth face coverings when in public spaces without physical distancing"

"NOW, THEREFORE, pursuant to Section 18 of Executive Order 2020-04 as extended by Executive Orders 2020-05, 2020-08, 2020-09, 2020-10, 2020-14, 2020-15, 2020-16, 2020-17, 2020-18, 2020-20, and 2020-21 it is hereby ordered, effective immediately, that:

5. This Order shall not apply to the following:

c) Any person consuming food or drink or sitting at a restaurant or table to eat or drink;

7. The provisions of this Order shall remain in effect through January 15, 2021. Given under my hand and seal at the Executive Chambers in Concord, this 19th day of November, in the year of Our Lord, two thousand and twenty, and the independence of the United States of America, two hundred and forty-four."

Gov. Sununu


Why not cover-up while eating ... like in California?

October 6, 2020 CBS News
"The California governor's office put out a tweet on Saturday advising that restaurant-goers keep their masks on while dining. "Going out to eat with members of your household this weekend?" the tweet reads. "Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites. Do your part to keep those around you healthy."

Who says the country hasn't gone nuts!

[Billy Bob]

Went to the Bob House in late October and it was noticeably sloppy with requiring patrons to wear masks, folks walking in and moving about uncovered. The staff was compliant.
We decided not to return . Which is unfortunate as this is one of our favorite spots.
Time to get with the program or face bad outcomes.

[longislander]

The wife and I have been going to the BobHouse every Friday evening for a couple of years. Yes ... just about every Friday evening. We also did take-out when that was the only alternative . From our purview, that establishment has always complied with the emergency orders. Masks are required to get in, even for take-out.

While dining inside, we have witnessed patrons going to the rest rooms without a mask. However, they were still compliant with the six foot distancing "rules" ... without a mask. CDC: "In every location, all employees need to either maintain at least 6 feet of distance from other people at all times, or wear a mask."

Patrons also comply. We book a reservation every Friday morning, by landline phone (Spectrum broadband cable) and still, are requested to fill out a slip of paper with name and number, at the restaurant. Patrons are not scarce, and their business is a very reputable. We also frequent other local (for us) restaurants, Buckeyes, Village Kitchen, Center Harbor diner, Canoe, (Gusto soon), and others and the BobHouse has been more stringent in compliance.

As soon as they re-open, they will do fine, as well as can be expected with covid and the ramifications.

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by longislander

The wife and I have been going to the BobHouse every Friday evening for a couple of years. Yes ... just about every Friday evening. We also did take-out when that was the only alternative . From our purview, that establishment has always complied with the emergency orders. Masks are required to get in, even for take-out.

While dining inside, we have witnessed patrons going to the rest rooms without a mask. However, they were still compliant with the six foot distancing "rules" ... without a mask. CDC: "In every location, all employees need to either maintain at least 6 feet of distance from other people at all times, or wear a mask."

Patrons also comply. We book a reservation every Friday morning, by landline phone (Spectrum broadband cable) and still, are requested to fill out a slip of paper with name and number, at the restaurant. Patrons are not scarce, and their business is a very reputable. We also frequent other local (for us) restaurants, Buckeyes, Village Kitchen, Center Harbor diner, Canoe, (Gusto soon), and others and the BobHouse has been more stringent in compliance.

As soon as they re-open, they will do fine, as well as can be expected with covid and the ramifications.

Speaking of restaurant rest rooms; any restaurant (or pubic) rest room could be a source of Covid so it is important to wear a mask into any rest room (other than your own home).

Studies have shown that if anyone has Covid it then transfers to urine or feces and gets into the air. Municipalities using sewer systems know when their particular area has a Covid problem just by a study of their waste water facilities showing elevated Covid rates.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Went to the Bob House in late October and it was noticeably sloppy with requiring patrons to wear masks, folks walking in and moving about uncovered. The staff was compliant.
We decided not to return . Which is unfortunate as this is one of our favorite spots.
Time to get with the program or face bad outcomes.

This is important. I wish the Bob House nothing but health and success, but we've stopped going to two of our favorite Mass places because they were too loose on COVID, even for takeout.

I hope Bob House will reopen soon and show their (newfound?) strictness on safety

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

A very popular restaurant on Route 25 Moultonborough has closed due to Covid-19.

What restaurant was it that closed?

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

A very popular restaurant on Route 25 Moultonborough has closed due to Covid-19.

Please enlighten us.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

A very popular restaurant on Route 25 Moultonborough has closed due to Covid-19.

You may think you're a Professor, but a good teacher would give us facts. Rarely going to Moultonboro, I have no idea what a "good restaurant in Moultonboro" means. SAMIAM, are you OK?

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by Descant

You may think you're a Professor, but a good teacher would give us facts. Rarely going to Moultonboro, I have no idea what a "good restaurant in Marlborough" means. SAMIAM, are you OK?

That’s what I was wondering. Samiam, your fans are in your corner. We hope the restaurant owners can hang on until the vaccines are available.

[SAMIAM]

Thanks for the support......but it's not us.
Keeping our fingers crossed but we're open as usual and no issues with COVID.

Trying our best to keep everything clean and safe. Encouraging our staff to avoid any gatherings, be cautious and use masks and sanitizer.
Numbers are down by a lot and the wait staff is definitely hurting....less people=less tips. Many of our customers are doing take out so please consider a generous tip if you're able.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

A very popular restaurant on Route 25 Moultonborough has closed due to Covid-19.

I’m sorry but you should not drop a bomb without stating facts. It leads to way too much speculation and not fair to any of the open restaurants in the area.

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[tis]

So glad you are ok Sam!!!! My heart goes out to you. What a terrible time for restaurant people.

[longislander]

Drove by earlier in the week. Sign said closed to further notice.

Subway subs sign still says closed till further notice.

The BobHouse late Friday afternoon was notified of a covid case and will be closed for a while (week or two ?). We then went to Buckeyes.

Last night we enjoyed a great prime rib at Village Kitchen. A lot of takeout was going on as well.

[Lakegeezer]

You can read the Bob House's notice on their web site. They are approaching it in an open and professional way and I hope them a quick rebound after they open again. Good people there!

http://www.thebobhouseandreelntavern.com/

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

You can read the Bob House's notice on their web site. They are approaching it in an open and professional way and I hope them a quick rebound after they open again. Good people there!

http://www.thebobhouseandreelntavern.com/

Thank you for the information. Glad to see it is only a temporary closure.

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[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

The OP bricks both in not identifying the restaurant and by being unclear about the length of closure. Not cool.

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Might be cleared up below.

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

You can read the Bob House's notice on their web site. They are approaching it in an open and professional way and I hope them a quick rebound after they open again. Good people there!

http://www.thebobhouseandreelntavern.com/

Might be cleared up above.

[thinkxingu]

The OP bricks both in not identifying the restaurant and by being unclear about the length of closure. Not cool.

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[dmjr]

Great! So if Patrons that were at the Bob House during that time period - are they going to be smart and isolate themselves or are they going to frequent other establishments?

[FlyingScot]

Yikes! I thought the closure was due to the economic strain of COVID. I did not realize there were actually cases. Sounds like they are handling it well, but a cautionary reminder for us all. Here's their statement:

**PLEASE READ**
We are sad to say but we were informed that a customer tested positive for Covid-19 on Monday and were dining with us on Saturday 11/14. We received this information yesterday afternoon and immediately told our staff who was in "close contact" to that customer. My staff then got tested and unfortunately there are now a couple positive cases that we have to report. Knowing there were multiple positive cases at our establishment we closed the doors immediately yesterday around 4pm. We have already been in contact with any customers that were in "Close Contact" to the servers that have tested positive. We have been told that "Close Contact" means within 6 ft. for a period of 10 minutes of more (does not need to be a consecutive 10 minutes). In light of this new information we will remain closed an additional week as our entire staff must quarantine regardless if they test negative for 14 days. We will re-open our doors Wednesday December 9th at 11:30am after a deep clean of the entire restaurant. We apologize for any inconvenience but our main concern is for everyone's safety

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Yikes! I was there Wednesday with a bunch of lady friends, and nobody took our names/phone numbers. I can’t remember the name of the server. We’ll have to wait and see what happens. Not cheery news, for sure.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Yikes! I was there Wednesday with a bunch of lady friends, and nobody took our names/phone numbers. I can’t remember the name of the server. We’ll have to wait and see what happens. Not cheery news, for sure.

Was your server / the staff wearing a mask?

If so, you're almost certainly fine.

Otherwise ...

[tummyman]

One might expect that the Moultonborough Emergency Management Director and/or the local Moultonborough Health Agent should periodically visit all restaurants or food service businesses with eat in options to ensure compliance with the Governors actions and report back to the BOS. It would be a good test of the system.

Last week the town folks said at a BOS meeting only 2 active cases of COVID with none in the schools while the Laconia Sun had 11....but nobody suggested a reconciliation. And schools are now on remote because of increased local spread. Hmmmmmmm........!

All towns should be doing this to give the dining public confidence in the system.

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yikes! I thought the closure was due to the economic strain of COVID. I did not realize there were actually cases. Sounds like they are handling it well, but a cautionary reminder for us all. Here's their statement:

**PLEASE READ**
We are sad to say but we were informed that a customer tested positive for Covid-19 on Monday and were dining with us on Saturday 11/14. We received this information yesterday afternoon and immediately told our staff who was in "close contact" to that customer. My staff then got tested and unfortunately there are now a couple positive cases that we have to report. Knowing there were multiple positive cases at our establishment we closed the doors immediately yesterday around 4pm. We have already been in contact with any customers that were in "Close Contact" to the servers that have tested positive. We have been told that "Close Contact" means within 6 ft. for a period of 10 minutes of more (does not need to be a consecutive 10 minutes). In light of this new information we will remain closed an additional week as our entire staff must quarantine regardless if they test negative for 14 days. We will re-open our doors Wednesday December 9th at 11:30am after a deep clean of the entire restaurant. We apologize for any inconvenience but our main concern is for everyone's safety

I believe all Restaurants in the State of New Hampshire have been taking names and phone numbers for the last week or two, so notifying affected customers may not have been a difficult task.

Let's hope they get everything cleaned up and are able to successfully open up again in a few weeks!

I want to thank them for doing the right thing under these no so ideal circumstances and wish them the best!

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I believe all Restaurants in the State of New Hampshire have been taking names and phone numbers for the last week or two, so notifying affected customers may not have been a difficult task.

Let's hope they get everything cleaned up and are able to successfully open up again in a few weeks!

I want to thank them for doing the right thing under these no so ideal circumstances and wish them the best!

You might be almost 100% re taking names and phone numbers, but nobody did that at the Bobhouse last Wednesday at lunchtime. I know that because I was there...6 of us. Now we can wait and see what transpires.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

You might be almost 100% re taking names and phone numbers, but nobody did that at the Bobhouse last Wednesday at lunchtime. I know that because I was there...6 of us. Now we can wait and see what transpires.

Are you a regular "where everybody knows your name"? Or did one of the others in your party of 6 give name and contact info?

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Are you a regular "where everybody knows your name"? Or did one of the others in your party of 6 give name and contact info?

No, we’re not regular customers, so they don’t know us. They should have taken our information. There was only one other occupied table....maybe that’s why..... but not a good excuse.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Descant

No, we’re not regular customers, so they don’t know us. They should have taken our information. There was only one other occupied table....maybe that’s why..... but not a good excuse.

Soooo...why didn't you offer? Did you forget?

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[TheTimeTraveler]

I have heard that some New Hampshire Restaurants have asked their customers to write their name and phone numbers on the paper bill invoice at the end of the meal. I have no idea if the Bob House handles name tracking using that method or not. I personally have not seen any restaurant using that method of tracking yet.

I was at a Restaurant near Concord on Tuesday November 17th and they asked my name (and phone number) and wrote it into a notebook prior to placing the food order. I was with another person at the time and they said as long as they had at least one name and number per table setting then they were fine.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I have heard that some New Hampshire Restaurants have asked their customers to write their name and phone numbers on the paper bill invoice at the end of the meal. I have no idea if the Bob House handles name tracking using that method or not. I personally have not seen any restaurant using that method of tracking yet.

I was at a Restaurant near Concord on Tuesday November 17th and they asked my name (and phone number) and wrote it into a notebook prior to placing the food order. I was with another person at the time and they said as long as they had at least one name and number per table setting then they were fine.

Mandate for restaurants to collect name and phone numbers of guests was rescinded due to an overwhelming amount of inaccurate/fake data collected. It turned out to be a tremendous waste of time because the public was not willing to share personal information. We are still encouraging our guests to write their phone number on the back of the credit card slip if they have concerns and would like to be notified in the event of an incident. Let’s hope we never have to call.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by baygo

Mandate for restaurants to collect name and phone numbers of guests was rescinded due to an overwhelming amount of inaccurate/fake data collected. It turned out to be a tremendous waste of time because the public was not willing to share personal information. We are still encouraging our guests to write their phone number on the back of the credit card slip if they have concerns and would like to be notified in the event of an incident. Let’s hope we never have to call.

I understand the privacy issue but if you make a reservation or go on a wait list, especially one that texts you like they have at t bones you give your name and number anyway. Additionally if you order take out or delivery don’t you also give your name number and address. Ugh.

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[baygo]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I understand the privacy issue but if you make a reservation or go on a wait list, especially one that texts you like they have at t bones you give your name and number anyway. Additionally if you order take out or delivery don’t you also give your name number and address. Ugh.


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The public is a fickle mammal. If it is required of them to share accurate information in order to get what they want, they will do so. If on the other hand they get what they want and do not have to share, they won’t.

Back in September we dined at a restaurant in Acadia national Park. They asked us for name and number on the way in as walkins. I learned later that a member of the other couple we were dining with provided them with fake info. They were fed up with political texts.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by baygo

Mandate for restaurants to collect name and phone numbers of guests was rescinded due to an overwhelming amount of inaccurate/fake data collected. It turned out to be a tremendous waste of time because the public was not willing to share personal information. We are still encouraging our guests to write their phone number on the back of the credit card slip if they have concerns and would like to be notified in the event of an incident. Let’s hope we never have to call.

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

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That’s a great idea! It’s doubtful that anyone would take the time to implement it during a bustling mealtime, but that would keep people honest. Simple but smart.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

That’s a great idea! It’s doubtful that anyone would take the time to implement it during a bustling mealtime, but that would keep people honest. Simple but smart.

At this time of year, is anything really bustling there? Perhaps if a hefty fine were in their wheelhouse, they would take the time. I am not a huge advocate of fining businesses, but these are different times, and everyone, individuals and businesses, need to behave like they’re responsible parts of a larger community.

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[longislander]

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

So, if a married couple, that only has a landline phone at their home, presuming they have a phone (a law?), goes to a restaurant, and someone calls that phone number, and no answer, no service?

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by longislander

So, if a married couple, that only has a landline phone at their home, presuming they have a phone (a law?), goes to a restaurant, and someone calls that phone number, and no answer, no service?

So take an address and check their id.

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[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

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Your concern is definitely in the right place.
You must know that no matter what you post, the odds are good someone will nit-pick for an opposing viewpoint.

No need to respond.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

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As a host, server, or bartender in a restaurant the mission is to accommodate and encourage nonconfrontational comfortable experiences. I attempted your suggestion with a party of eight who showed up not wearing masks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH2oCr7gzhj/

We will reopen Wednesday after the clean up.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by baygo

As a host, server, or bartender in a restaurant the mission is to accommodate and encourage nonconfrontational comfortable experiences. I attempted your suggestion with a party of eight who showed up not wearing masks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH2oCr7gzhj/

We will reopen Wednesday after the clean up.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by baygo

As a host, server, or bartender in a restaurant the mission is to accommodate and encourage nonconfrontational comfortable experiences. I attempted your suggestion with a party of eight who showed up not wearing masks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH2oCr7gzhj/

We will reopen Wednesday after the clean up.

LMAO! My “dream”’ scenario...

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by baygo

As a host, server, or bartender in a restaurant the mission is to accommodate and encourage nonconfrontational comfortable experiences. I attempted your suggestion with a party of eight who showed up not wearing masks.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH2oCr7gzhj/

We will reopen Wednesday after the clean up.

“We will reopen Wednesday”. Are you teasing us or is this correct you are reopening?

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[baygo]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

“We will reopen Wednesday”. Are you teasing us or is this correct you are reopening?

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Referencing our heated outside bar.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

So perhaps a simple check of the phone number provided before service needs to happen. If the phone number doesn’t come back to someone in the party, no service.

I refer you to the old thread where there were tons of complaints about people using their cell phone in the dining room. And how many people don't answer if it is not a recognized number? If I were making call backs, I would not be using the primary restaurant number that should be kept open for new reservations.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Descant

I refer you to the old thread where there were tons of complaints about people using their cell phone in the dining room. And how many people don't answer if it is not a recognized number? If I were making call backs, I would not be using the primary restaurant number that should be kept open for new reservations.

Really simple confirm the number by calling the phone number while they are standing in front of you before they have been seated in the dining area

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I believe all Restaurants in the State of New Hampshire have been taking names and phone numbers for the last week or two, so notifying affected customers may not have been a difficult task.

Let's hope they get everything cleaned up and are able to successfully open up again in a few weeks!

I want to thank them for doing the right thing under these no so ideal circumstances and wish them the best!

She said that no one took their contact info, so obviously not all restaurants are following the guidelines established by the state. Should restaurants be fined for not following the guidelines? This is a classic example of being forced to sit boy-girl-boy-girl at lunch in the junior high cafeteria because some students can’t behave. I realize some people hate regulations, but sometimes they’re imposed because a few don’t behave. Who do you blame...the scofflaws or the regulators?

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[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

She said that no one took their contact info, so obviously not all restaurants are following the guidelines established by the state. Should restaurants be fined for not following the guidelines? This is a classic example of being forced to sit boy-girl-boy-girl at lunch in the junior high cafeteria because some students can’t behave. I realize some people hate regulations, but sometimes they’re imposed because a few don’t behave. Who do you blame...the scofflaws or the regulators?

No Shirt
No Shoes
No ID

No Service

[TheProfessor]

Here are New Hampshire governor Sununu 's Executive and Emergency orders:

LINK

Does New Hampshire need another Emergency Order ?

[WinnisquamZ]

Deal

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[FlyingScot]

News update:

Bob House now reopen after a 1 month shut down due to covid.

Buckey's now closed due to an infected staff member.

Pine Cone now take out only, as a precautionary measure.

Be careful out there

[C-Bass]

Not Shocked about Buckeys. I've driven by and it looked packed.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by C-Bass

Not Shocked about Buckeys. I've driven by and it looked packed.

Yeah, I love Buckey's, especially the steak tips and the popcorn machine. But it was clear from drive-bys that they weren't taking this seriously.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yeah, I love Buckey's, especially the steak tips and the popcorn machine. But it was clear from drive-bys that they weren't taking this seriously.

You have x ray vision that you can see from the outside what’s going on inside. How do you know the ONE positive case from an employee didn’t get from home or someplace else.

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[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by joey2665

You have x ray vision that you can see from the outside what’s going on inside. How do you know the ONE positive case from an employee didn’t get from home or someplace else.

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With the infection rate we're seeing now everywhere you have to be nuts to et indoors. Just not worth the risk.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

With the infection rate we're seeing now everywhere you have to be nuts to et indoors. Just not worth the risk.

IMO it is not much different than going to the grocery store or big box store.

[Bumble2249]

Originally Posted by DEJ

IMO it is not much different than going to the grocery store or big box store.

It's actually SAFER than going to a grocery store or big box store.

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

With the infection rate we're seeing now everywhere you have to be nuts to et indoors. Just not worth the risk.

Unless you are hunkered down in your house with no personal contact with anyone I completely disagree. Super market, doctors office any place people congregate are at best the same and in many cases worse that eating out. It’s really simple as I keep saying just leave it up to individuals to decide.

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[Biggd]

Well, as we can see, many individuals are not following suggested guidelines. So this is how we got to this point. I do agree that people need to go about their business but many disregard the the guidelines because they think it's an infringement on their freedoms or they think it's all "fake news".

Originally Posted by joey2665

Unless you are hunkered down in your house with no personal contact with anyone I completely disagree. Super market, doctors office any place people congregate are at best the same and in many cases worse that eating out. It’s really simple as I keep saying just leave it up to individuals to decide.


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[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Unless you are hunkered down in your house with no personal contact with anyone I completely disagree. Super market, doctors office any place people congregate are at best the same and in many cases worse that eating out. It’s really simple as I keep saying just leave it up to individuals to decide.

You wear a MASK at a grocery store or the doctor's office but you can't eat or drink through one!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

You wear a MASK at a grocery store or the doctor's office but you can't eat or drink through one!

Really? If you want to you can. I’ve seen many just pull there mask down to place the food in their mouth. And many times I walk they places with people improperly wear masks. Again stay home and don’t help the local restaurants if you do not want to that’s your choice certainly not mine. I will stay vigilant but patron the local establishments.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Really? If you want to you can. I’ve seen many just pull there mask down to place the food in their mouth. And many times I walk they places with people improperly wear masks. Again stay home and don’t help the local restaurants if you do not want to that’s your choice certainly not mine. I will stay vigilant but patron the local establishments.

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It’s great that you’re vigilant while visiting local establishments. But why tell just cautious people to stay at home? Why not also make that suggestion to people who go out but aren’t vigilant? They’re the ones who are propagating it.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Many of us want to support the local businesses, so instead of beating up on each other, just do takeout at your favorite restaurants. VK, Common Man Ashland, Lyons Den are just a few, but certainly there are many more that do a great job. Because of the rising COVID numbers, we have stopped eating out, but takeout with hot food, not salads, seems to be a safe bet. Don’t forget the tip! 🙄

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

It’s great that you’re vigilant while visiting local establishments. But why tell just cautious people to stay at home? Why not also make that suggestion to people who go out but aren’t vigilant? They’re the ones who are propagating it.

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It’s not a matter of cautious people. Everyone has to do what’s comfortable for them that’s what I’m saying. If you’re not comfortable going to a restaurant don’t go if you’re not comfortable going to the grocery store don’t go if you’re not comfortable going to target don’t go but if you are comfortable going to these places and being vigilant by all means go support the economy support the local businesses. Again it’s your choice it should not be everyone’s choice everybody should be able to make their own choice

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by joey2665

It’s not a matter of cautious people. Everyone has to do what’s comfortable for them that’s what I’m saying. If you’re not comfortable going to a restaurant don’t go if you’re not comfortable going to the grocery store don’t go if you’re not comfortable going to target don’t go but if you are comfortable going to these places and being vigilant by all means go support the economy support the local businesses. Again it’s your choice it should not be everyone’s choice everybody should be able to make their own choice

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You didn’t answer my question. Why not tell people who aren’t vigilant to stay home?

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

You didn’t answer my question. Why not tell people who aren’t vigilant to stay home?

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I don’t belief in telling people what to do. If they break the law or a guideline it’s on them. If they want to take a risk and not wear a mask that again is on them. If I wear mine I should be good.

Should I also run around taking cigarettes out of people’s mouth’s or taking candy bars out of peoples mouths that I think might have diabetes

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I don’t belief in telling people what to do. If they break the law or a guideline it’s on them. If they want to take a risk and not wear a mask that again is on them. If I wear mine I should be good.

Should I also run around taking cigarettes out of people’s mouth’s or taking candy bars out of peoples mouths that I think might have diabetes

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But you’ve consistently told people who aren’t comfortable to stay at home, so really you are okay with telling people what to do.

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

But you’ve consistently told people who aren’t comfortable to stay at home, so really you are okay with telling people what to do.

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No that’s not what I said. If said over and over it’s your choice. But I’m not understanding your statement. I don’t think people will go out if they aren’t comfortable. But if they want to against it’s their decision to make no one else’s.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No that’s not what I said. If said over and over it’s your choice. But I’m not understanding your statement. I don’t think people will go out if they aren’t comfortable. But if they want to against it’s their decision to make no one else’s.

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Check your post #33 in the ice hockey thread. You definitely said it there and variations of that in 3 other posts between this thread and that one. You’re very dismissive of people who are on the side of more, not less, caution. And intransigent with regards to even seeing the other side. The facts are in for less caution...it leads to more cases.

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[ishoot308]

I don’t understand what everyone is bickering about....local state government which is following federal and CDC guidelines has said that it’s OK for restaurants to be open with certain protocols in place such as distancing tables and the use of plexiglass barriers as well as wearing mask to and from your table. No one is doing anything wrong by visiting / supporting local area restaurants.

To those who say it’s not safe or wrong...fine, stay home. Everyone else wants to lead as normal a life as possible by following the recommended guidelines set forth by our elected officials.

Case closed!

Dan

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I don’t understand what everyone is bickering about....local state government which is following federal and CDC guidelines has said that it’s OK for restaurants to be open with certain protocols in place such as distancing tables and the use of plexiglass barriers as well as wearing mask to and from your table. No one is doing anything wrong by visiting / supporting local area restaurants.

To those who say it’s not safe or wrong...fine, stay home. Everyone else wants to lead as normal a life as possible by following the recommended guidelines set forth by our elected officials.

Case closed!

Dan

The case would be closed IF everyone would follow the recommended guidelines. That has not been the case as some pick and choose which guidelines are acceptable to them.

[TheTimeTraveler]

It's a sad fact that a whole lot of people are going to become infected between now and August of 2021. The direct result will be a lot of pain, suffering, and death because of it.

The Vaccine can't get here fast enough.....

Everyone needs to take their own prudent precautions until such time as it becomes safe again.

There are plenty of believers still out there that think this Corona Virus is some type of hoax (also there are many folks who don't believe the Holocaust was ever real). You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink....

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

The case would be closed IF everyone would follow the recommended guidelines. That has not been the case as some pick and choose which guidelines are acceptable to them.

Not true...at least not as far as restaurants are concerned. They either enforce and follow guidelines or they get shutdown. It’s that simple!

It seems like some on this forum want to shame people for visiting local restaurants and supporting them. I say get a life!

Dan

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by joey2665

You have x ray vision that you can see from the outside what’s going on inside. How do you know the ONE positive case from an employee didn’t get from home or someplace else.

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Buckey's had been following protocols that were mandated by the State regarding table separation and mask requirements. I witnessed it personally inside.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Buckey's had been following protocols that were mandated by the State regarding table separation and mask requirements. I witnessed it personally inside.

Thank you. Right away people look to through the establishment under the bus and that is not fair.

These places are people’s livelihoods and to thought out aspersions is wreck less.

Who knows were the one employee contracted the virus.

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[pondguy]

Lets all get the vaccine and put all this behind us !!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Buckey's had been following protocols that were mandated by the State regarding table separation and mask requirements. I witnessed it personally inside.

I was referring to their parking lot tent over the summer. There were too many people there for my comfort. I look forward to dining there next summer, post-vaccine. It's a great place

[gillygirl]

What I’m interested in is whether or not people are making those around them aware of their habits. I’m back in FL, where many restaurants are operating close to normal, with the exception of masks on employees and on customers while they’re moving about the restaurants. My sister and her family are going to karaoke several times a week, and my brother-in-law has admitted the places are sometimes packed. Many participants are furloughed Disney performers who really project while they’re singing. My family’s attendance at these events now makes me wonder if I should stop doing things with them. But they’re my only point of human contact. So my point is are you (the plural you, not anyone specifically) unintentionally isolating someone in your family because of your behavior?


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

What I’m interested in is whether or not people are making those around them aware of their habits. I’m back in FL, where many restaurants are operating close to normal, with the exception of masks on employees and on customers while they’re moving about the restaurants. My sister and her family are going to karaoke several times a week, and my brother-in-law has admitted the places are sometimes packed. Many participants are furloughed Disney performers who really project while they’re singing. My family’s attendance at these events now makes me wonder if I should stop doing things with them. But they’re my only point of human contact. So my point is are you (the plural you, not anyone specifically) unintentionally isolating someone in your family because of your behavior?


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I have some first responders in my family that isolate themselves from my wife and I.
I have a son inlaw who's a firefighter and a daughter who is an RN.
They have to get tested quite often as they are always coming into contact with people that have Covid.
My son inlaw is being tested on Monday and all his kids are sick this week so we will be staying far away from them!

[gillygirl]

Commenting on the many economic and social problems that American society now confronts, Newsweek columnist Robert J. Samuelson recently wrote: "We face a choice between a society where people accept modest sacrifices for a common good or a more contentious society where groups selfishly protect their own benefits."


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Commenting on the many economic and social problems that American society now confronts, Newsweek columnist Robert J. Samuelson recently wrote: "We face a choice between a society where people accept modest sacrifices for a common good or a more contentious society where groups selfishly protect their own benefits."


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In his book "The Common Good," Robert Reich illustrates his belief that America is fundamentally changed by Watergate. That the scandal revealed a shift in American philosophy from fair play to win at all costs.

Though he mostly focuses on the economic system via the differences between "shareholder" and "stockholder" capitalism, there is the underlying implication that at some point we moved away from focusing on the good of the system and onto the good of the individual.

Another interesting book is "The Death of Expertise," which delves into the shift from experts to armchair academics that has been enabled by the Digital Age/Information Age. I crack up (and cry a little) everytime I see a "99% of experts believe XXXX, but my high school friend who sells homemade bongs says XXXX."

All's I know is that 1. I've got friends and family who have struggled with or been lost to Covid. 2. What I'm being asked to do by wearing a mask, ensuring physical distance, and limiting my exposure by avoiding group activities without safeguards is not at all that difficult. 3. Businesses and livelihoods are being hurt by the pandemic. 4. If more people accepted #2, #3 would be dramatically reduced.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

In his book "The Common Good," Robert Reich illustrates his belief that America is fundamentally changed by Watergate. That the scandal revealed a shift in American philosophy from fair play to win at all costs.

Though he mostly focuses on the economic system via the differences between "shareholder" and "stockholder" capitalism, there is the underlying implication that at some point we moved away from focusing on the good of the system and onto the good of the individual.

Another interesting book is "The Death of Expertise," which delves into the shift from experts to armchair academics that has been enabled by the Digital Age/Information Age. I crack up (and cry a little) everytime I see a "99% of experts believe XXXX, but my high school friend who sells homemade bongs says XXXX."

All's I know is that 1. I've got friends and family who have struggled with or been lost to Covid. 2. What I'm being asked to do by wearing a mask, ensuring physical distance, and limiting my exposure by avoiding group activities without safeguards is not at all that difficult. 3. Businesses and livelihoods are being hurt by the pandemic. 4. If more people accepted #2, #3 would be dramatically reduced.

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Thanks for the book suggestions. I should be reading more during this time. Did while I was at the lake, probably because I didn’t turn on the internet service for the short time I was there.

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