Hb 162 News

Bear Lover · 11-29-2005, 07:48 PM

HB162 was passed by the RR&D committee with an 11 to 10 vote. It still needs to pass the House and Senate. The Governor is expect to sign if it gets that far. The RR&D committee was considered the toughest hurdle.

A statewide voter poll shows 66% in favor and 22% apposed to HB162.

Lakewinniboater · 11-29-2005, 08:08 PM

Yes it is going to the House..... the rest of the data stated.... more than a bit stretched.

Islander · 11-29-2005, 08:14 PM

Stretched where?

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/boat/

Lakegeezer · 11-29-2005, 09:37 PM

The PAC solicited money, bought news coverage, and used fear to "educate" the voters. Advertising works. Money buys opinion. That doesn't make it right.

Mee-n-Mac · 11-29-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Islander

Stretched where?

http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/boat/

This poll shows support for speed limits, not necessarily those per HB-162.

Islander · 11-30-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

This poll shows support for speed limits, not necessarily those per HB-162.

The poll question did everything but say "HB162". I doubt the people polled were thinking about some other New Hampshire boating speed bill.

I was not surprised that 83% of Democrats favor speed limits. But that 68% of Republicans favor speed limits is a shocker.

Mee-n-Mac · 11-30-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Islander

The poll question did everything but say "HB162". I doubt the people polled were thinking about some other New Hampshire boating speed bill.

I was not surprised that 83% of Democrats favor speed limits. But that 68% of Republicans favor speed limits is a shocker.

Not to go overboard on this but ... While the people who are either for or against HB-162 know what it is and the specifics, I doubt many in the general population know what HB-162 is. How many bills, by #, are you aware of ? My opinion is that the average guy in the street, who doesn't boat here on Winni (and probably doesn't even own a boat) may have heard about some speed limit thingee but didn't have enough interest to care one way or another. Had the poll mentioned HB-162 by name or 45/25 as the specific limits to be set then you could conclude that the voters supported HB-162. As asked, the poll indicates a desire for some (unspecified) limits.

ApS · 11-30-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Not to go overboard on this ...

I'm steering clear of this issue — BUT!

Was this a good choice of words?

jrc · 11-30-2005, 10:52 AM

with the right questions, you can get people to favor banning anything.

http://www.dhmo.org/research.html

Cal · 11-30-2005, 11:33 AM

Isn't dihydrogen monoxide more commonly know as H2o or WATER

Woodsy · 11-30-2005, 12:03 PM

Yup... its water!! LOL! Pretty funny website.

Polling all depends on how you phrase the question.

I think the speed limit debate is getting very old and tiresome. This issue has just divided the lake, and no matter what way the legislature votes, there will be alot of unhappy people, that would otherwise get along with one another just fine.

Its not about safety or facts or statistics. HB-162 is about fear, plain and simple. Anybody who thinks otherwise should talk to Rep. Pilliod. I have a message left on my answering machine from Rep. Pilliod where he unequivocally states that HB-162 is not about safety, but is about fear. (I will try to get it converted to an .mp3 format so everyone can listen to it) If Don will let me, I will post it here, but if not, I totally understand his position.

Woodsy

Skip · 11-30-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc

with the right questions, you can get people to favor banning anything.

http://www.dhmo.org/research.html

Thanks JRC......I thought I had a good laugh when I read the title of the thread originator that this thread was based on "news" (we all know the vote cited was taken back in October)....but the site you have pointed us to shows the absolute absurdity of basing public policy on polling data!

Great site, I will be sure to point this out on many occasions to come!

Merry Christmas,

Skip

webmaster · 11-30-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

I thought I had a good laugh when I read the title of the thread originator that this thread was based on "news"

To be fair, I added the word "news" to the thread title to avoid confusion with another recent thread with the same title. Blame me, not Bear Lover.

It was just an innocent use of the word since I thought that HB162 being passed by the RR&D committee was news. If it had failed it would have been news as well.

Skip · 11-30-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

To be fair, I added the word "news" to the thread title to avoid confusion with another recent thread with the same title. Blame me, not Bear Lover.

It was just an innocent use of the word since I thought that HB162 being passed by the RR&D committee was news. If it had failed it would have been news as well.

Hi Don,

Thanks for the clarification.

My point was that the event described took place six weeks ago and was discussed extensively on the internet, in the local print and radio/television media and through various letters to the editor. So when I saw it pop up again after it has become what can only fairly be described as "old news", I figured it was another attempt to troll the issue.

It was quite evident in the past discussions here (and elsewhere) that the two opposing camps on this issue are pretty firmly entrenched in their beliefs, and little swaying of either side was occuring...hence the escalation of the hyperbole seen here and elsewhere.

But as was pointed out by an earlier poster, this is really an obscure issue that is only being followed by a vocal minority in the State. I bet you would find that most people in New Hampshire would actually love to be in the position to have a desire to stake a claim in the debate (that is, having the means to boat on the Great Lake) and are looking slightly askew at those adults that do have the means but not the ability to work out a compromise that at least partially satisfies the reasonable wants and desires of both sides.

As I have said before, politics is the art of compromise. Regardless of claims to the contrary, there are still significant hurdles this bill must cross, including full passage in the House then Senate, followed by the Governor's signature. It is not unheard of for bills that have made it out of committee to be drastically altered or outright killed on the House or Senate floor, or even vetoed by the Governor.

It will be interesting to watch as this bill continues to take on a life of its own.....but there will not be any "real" news (since October) until the legislature takes it seat again early next year.

Merry Christmas,

Skip

Bear Lover · 11-30-2005, 06:29 PM

I didn't start this thread. At least I don't think I did. I posted a response to the question by Phantom in the other HB162 thread. I don't understand how my post started a new thread but it's probably just a computer glitch.

I hope the division this topic has caused will soon heal. The voters of NH may not understand the issue and they may have been led in one direction. However that's politics, it happens every day. And in the end it is the people of NH that own Lake Winnipesaukee.

JDeere · 11-30-2005, 07:04 PM

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The voters of NH may not understand the issue and they may have been led in one direction. However that's politics, it happens every day.

The voters of New Hampshire understand the issue just fine. Making a decision if 45 MPH is fast enough does not require anything but common sense IMHO.

fatlazyless · 11-30-2005, 07:38 PM

If HB 162 makes it all the way to Gov Lynch's desk for his signature, I am 75% certain that he will sign it into law. If Gov Benson were still the Governor, I'd be about 75% certain that Gov Benson would veto it. I can remember the Benson for Gov sign up on the big sign board at Lakeport Landing Marina. Yes, last Governor's election was a very close race. And, getting this law passed will not be easy.

pm203 · 11-30-2005, 10:26 PM

I was talking to a gentleman from Lake George.He informed me not to worry about the speed limit.At lake George,it is business as usual.Unless you are blatantly breaking the speed limit close to shore, you can cruise well above the posted limit. Not only is it very hard to enforce,most law enforcing officials dont see the validity of the law enough to make it a high enough priority.They would rather police more threatening situations that may arrise on the lake daily.

P.s. Is it going to be like the highway? if the speed limit is 65, most police officers will not bother you if you are doing 75 or less. What do you think?

fatlazyless · 12-01-2005, 02:22 AM

Out on Route 93, I've seen a bright yellow Corvette get stopped while going about 70mph. A 32' go-fast hull with a bright color graphic design is not hard to see. Supposedly, it's the reflective finish and not the fiberglass material that is detected by a radar gun.
Maybe, the Formula-Baja-Fountain-Donzi-Cigarette go-fasts will come out with a new Winnipesaukee-stealth-natural blend-low detection camoflage color and finish?

Dave R · 12-01-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pm203

I was talking to a gentleman from Lake George.He informed me not to worry about the speed limit.At lake George,it is business as usual.Unless you are blatantly breaking the speed limit close to shore, you can cruise well above the posted limit. Not only is it very hard to enforce,most law enforcing officials dont see the validity of the law enough to make it a high enough priority.They would rather police more threatening situations that may arrise on the lake daily.

P.s. Is it going to be like the highway? if the speed limit is 65, most police officers will not bother you if you are doing 75 or less. What do you think?

Pretty sure I read somewhere that the head of Marine Patrol said it won't be enforceable. It's just another law for folks who have no common sense and need a law to tell them what not to do. My boat barely exceeds 45MPH so this law really won't make a bit of difference in the way I operate but I still think it's silly.

Not that I would condone it but, If someone is ripping accross the water at a high rate of speed, what is the incentive to stop if the marine patrol boat can't keep up? It would be quite easy to argue in court that you were unaware there was anyone trying to stop you if you were finally caught. Either way, a speeding conviction is the worst that could happen (assuming you were just speeding and not doing anything reckless). The fine probably wouldn't cost much more than the gas it takes to go real fast anyway.

I think it would be amusing to get a bunch of boats and competent drivers together to make a video of boats constantly crossing eachother's paths with just over 150' spacing at just under 45 MPH and just over 150 feet from the end of the Weirs Beach docks, so that no laws are broken. Make it kind of like a motorcycle skills dispaly in a Shriner's parade, if you know what I mean. Submit that to the local news along with a video of a boat going 60 MPH across the broads with no other boats in the vicinity. That would glaringly point out the absurdity of a speed limit on the water.

dreaminofthelake · 01-14-2006, 12:04 PM

We have been hearing about HB162, the proposed speed limit law for some time now. When will the house, senate and governor vote on this so we will finally know if it passes or fails?

11-29-2005, 07:48 PM	#1
Bear Lover Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hb 162 News HB162 was passed by the RR&D committee with an 11 to 10 vote. It still needs to pass the House and Senate. The Governor is expect to sign if it gets that far. The RR&D committee was considered the toughest hurdle. A statewide voter poll shows 66% in favor and 22% apposed to HB162.

11-29-2005, 08:08 PM	#2
Lakewinniboater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westford, MA and Alton Bay, NH Posts: 225 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	facts are not quite accurate (please close thread) Yes it is going to the House..... the rest of the data stated.... more than a bit stretched. __________________ Wendy "Wasn't Me!"

11-29-2005, 09:37 PM	#4
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,679 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 354 Thanked 640 Times in 291 Posts	Political action committees work The PAC solicited money, bought news coverage, and used fear to "educate" the voters. Advertising works. Money buys opinion. That doesn't make it right. __________________ -lg

11-30-2005, 10:52 AM	#9
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Nothing like a good poll with the right questions, you can get people to favor banning anything. http://www.dhmo.org/research.html

11-30-2005, 11:33 AM	#10
Cal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pitman , NJ Posts: 627 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Isn't dihydrogen monoxide more commonly know as H2o or WATER __________________ Paddle faster , I think I here banjos

11-29-2005, 08:14 PM	#3
Islander Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 321 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Stretched where? http://americanresearchgroup.com/nhpoll/boat/

11-30-2005, 12:03 PM	#11
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Yup... its water!! LOL! Pretty funny website. Polling all depends on how you phrase the question. I think the speed limit debate is getting very old and tiresome. This issue has just divided the lake, and no matter what way the legislature votes, there will be alot of unhappy people, that would otherwise get along with one another just fine. Its not about safety or facts or statistics. HB-162 is about fear, plain and simple. Anybody who thinks otherwise should talk to Rep. Pilliod. I have a message left on my answering machine from Rep. Pilliod where he unequivocally states that HB-162 is not about safety, but is about fear. (I will try to get it converted to an .mp3 format so everyone can listen to it) If Don will let me, I will post it here, but if not, I totally understand his position. Woodsy

11-30-2005, 06:29 PM	#15
Bear Lover Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I didn't start this thread. At least I don't think I did. I posted a response to the question by Phantom in the other HB162 thread. I don't understand how my post started a new thread but it's probably just a computer glitch. I hope the division this topic has caused will soon heal. The voters of NH may not understand the issue and they may have been led in one direction. However that's politics, it happens every day. And in the end it is the people of NH that own Lake Winnipesaukee.

11-30-2005, 07:38 PM	#17
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,774 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,020 Times in 742 Posts	...remember Gov Benson If HB 162 makes it all the way to Gov Lynch's desk for his signature, I am 75% certain that he will sign it into law. If Gov Benson were still the Governor, I'd be about 75% certain that Gov Benson would veto it. I can remember the Benson for Gov sign up on the big sign board at Lakeport Landing Marina. Yes, last Governor's election was a very close race. And, getting this law passed will not be easy.

11-30-2005, 10:26 PM	#18
pm203 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 225 Thanks: 41 Thanked 86 Times in 46 Posts	I was talking to a gentleman from Lake George.He informed me not to worry about the speed limit.At lake George,it is business as usual.Unless you are blatantly breaking the speed limit close to shore, you can cruise well above the posted limit. Not only is it very hard to enforce,most law enforcing officials dont see the validity of the law enough to make it a high enough priority.They would rather police more threatening situations that may arrise on the lake daily. P.s. Is it going to be like the highway? if the speed limit is 65, most police officers will not bother you if you are doing 75 or less. What do you think?

12-01-2005, 02:22 AM	#19
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,774 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,020 Times in 742 Posts	Out on Route 93, I've seen a bright yellow Corvette get stopped while going about 70mph. A 32' go-fast hull with a bright color graphic design is not hard to see. Supposedly, it's the reflective finish and not the fiberglass material that is detected by a radar gun. Maybe, the Formula-Baja-Fountain-Donzi-Cigarette go-fasts will come out with a new Winnipesaukee-stealth-natural blend-low detection camoflage color and finish?

01-14-2006, 12:04 PM	#21
dreaminofthelake Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	When will they vote on HB162? We have been hearing about HB162, the proposed speed limit law for some time now. When will the house, senate and governor vote on this so we will finally know if it passes or fails?