It Passed!!!

playinghooky · 02-02-2006, 04:55 PM

Just heard on the news - It Passed!!!

fatlazyless · 02-02-2006, 09:18 PM

...and for one more time....and don't forget.....going 45mph in a boat is hardly a slow speed. Is is, in fact, a very fast speed! So there!

Like, just maybe you want to sell off the old Baja for cheap and get an old aluminum fishing outboard boat and try going 45mph in that, or better yet, try going fishing at 1.5 mph. Have a great day!

itchin for fishin · 02-02-2006, 09:48 PM

This passed on the simple argument that "I can't use the lake with my kids." Pure and simple. The arguments of live free or die, unenforceable, even $ is going to lose to baseball, ice cream and apple pie. It's a tough argument to beat in politics that "I want to have the freedom to use my boat as I want" over "my kid can't kayak or fish". Regardless, the Senate is always the place this battle is won or lost. Like I said before, it's like watching Jack Bauer.... tick tock tick tock.

Hermit · 02-02-2006, 10:00 PM

Yes, it passed and I was there to see it! Thank goodness that Reps of both parties responded to their grassroots constituents and did something important to protect our safety.

There were lots and lots of people with Yellow Winnfab stickers on their lapels walking through the hallways of the Capitol over the past two days and it is not over. To paraphrase the old movie "Network": 'We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!"

Maybe those Go Fast boat owners can load their monsters up on their trailers and take them to the ocean where they belong. An amendment was passed to exempt NH's 3 mile limit from the the speed limits, but the rivers and Great Bay are included. Too bad they will have to drive sanely to get outside the harbor.

Rayhunt · 02-02-2006, 10:05 PM

Bunch of old farts and nincompoops.. Have you ever been on winni hermit?

Hermit · 02-02-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayhunt

Bunch of old farts and nincompoops.. Have you ever been on winni hermit?

Yes, Rayhunt I have been on Winni for years and years and I intend to be for many more! Enjoying canoeing, sailing, scuba diving, fishing, family boating and kyaking without worrying about being killed by an IDIOT!

Rinkerfam · 02-02-2006, 10:44 PM

Hermit,
Be careful here. I would shy away from implying that anyone going over 45mph during the day or 25mph at night is an idiot. You may have just opened up another can of worms. Like Winnilaker, I am not a target for this new bill even though my boat goes over 45mph. I am affraid of what will come next if this goes all the way. Excessive regulation is never the answer. Education is.

John A. Birdsall · 02-04-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rinkerfam

Hermit,
Be careful here. I would shy away from implying that anyone going over 45mph during the day or 25mph at night is an idiot. You may have just opened up another can of worms. Like Winnilaker, I am not a target for this new bill even though my boat goes over 45mph. I am affraid of what will come next if this goes all the way. Excessive regulation is never the answer. Education is.

Education is not necessarily the answer. We have many drivers on the highways that have drivers license's that had some form of education or other, their are speed limits, and then their are speed limits, and then their are the police and courts. It makes no mind they are gonna speed no matter what.

Boaters education has been around for years, I am almost 60 and when I was 14 I went thru a Coast Guard Boaters Education, and while some laws and rules are different from state to state and from Ocean to lake its not many, and as just shown by the NH legislature another law is on the book. I am not pointing a finger at any size boat, or power plant, but just on the one law that should make boating safe for everyone, that is the 150' rule. But just how many realize how close 150 is on the open water? How many obey that law? I know that from experience the larger the boat the more wake it will put out when not going at the speed it was designed for. Yes at 6mph they put out very little wake, but at say 18-20 mph those cigerette boats can put out a pretty good wake.

I have heard some say now they will have to get off the lake, I don't think that is fair, nor right. The lake is their for all to enjoy, but do so in a safe manner that others might enjoy it as well. Had I a say in this law I would have tried to make it so the go fast guys could do so in the broads, but not in the harbors or bays, leaving the majority of the lake for the what I call regular and normal speed of boats.

Rayhunt · 02-04-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

Education is not necessarily the answer. We have many drivers on the highways that have drivers license's that had some form of education or other, their are speed limits, and then their are speed limits, and then their are the police and courts. It makes no mind they are gonna speed no matter what.

Boaters education has been around for years, I am almost 60 and when I was 14 I went thru a Coast Guard Boaters Education, and while some laws and rules are different from state to state and from Ocean to lake its not many, and as just shown by the NH legislature another law is on the book. I am not pointing a finger at any size boat, or power plant, but just on the one law that should make boating safe for everyone, that is the 150' rule. But just how many realize how close 150 is on the open water? How many obey that law? I know that from experience the larger the boat the more wake it will put out when not going at the speed it was designed for. Yes at 6mph they put out very little wake, but at say 18-20 mph those cigerette boats can put out a pretty good wake.

I have heard some say now they will have to get off the lake, I don't think that is fair, nor right. The lake is their for all to enjoy, but do so in a safe manner that others might enjoy it as well. Had I a say in this law I would have tried to make it so the go fast guys could do so in the broads, but not in the harbors or bays, leaving the majority of the lake for the what I call regular and normal speed of boats.

Well said from someone obviously familiar with the big lake .
Herein lies the rub .. The reps are not familiar with the lake , most have never been.
I could not believe the rubbish I was hearing at the 3 local meetings.
Heresay and lies have many scared of this problem on the lake that DOES NOT EXHIST. except for a few busy areas during summer weekends.

Mee-n-Mac · 02-04-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

Education is not necessarily the answer. We have many drivers on the highways that have drivers license's that had some form of education or other, their are speed limits, and then their are speed limits, and then their are the police and courts. It makes no mind they are gonna speed no matter what.

Boaters education has been around for years, I am almost 60 and when I was 14 I went thru a Coast Guard Boaters Education, and while some laws and rules are different from state to state and from Ocean to lake its not many, and as just shown by the NH legislature another law is on the book. {snip}

I have only a few minutes but I wanted to add a few things to think about. Certainly education isn't a panacea for all ills but if you're looking to change the bad habits of the many it's the only method that might work. The problem I have with the present "education" attempt is that it's a 1 time only thing. Like the present driver education system (gag) it's not likely to affect anyone other than somebody who's eager to learn. If I ask how much 3x4 is or 7x5 pretty much everyone will come up with the answer in short order. Why ? Because as kids we had it drilled, over and over and over and over again, into our heads. I think a similar concept to make boater ed a recurring effort vs a 1 time deal would likely have a positve result.

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

I have heard some say now they will have to get off the lake, I don't think that is fair, nor right. The lake is their for all to enjoy, but do so in a safe manner that others might enjoy it as well. Had I a say in this law I would have tried to make it so the go fast guys could do so in the broads, but not in the harbors or bays, leaving the majority of the lake for the what I call regular and normal speed of boats.

Yup ... as I have said there are places suitable for high speed and others not so suitable. Just as we have different limits for city and for our highways (still too low) it wouldn't have been too much an effort to do something similar on the lake. If nothing else it would have been just like our parents used to do when you got into squabbling with your sibling. You go to your room and the other to their room

Lastly somebody should have done some analytical thinking as to what speeds are proper rather than by going on some person's best guess. At least then we could have debated the numbers and methods rather than the motives.

BroadHopper · 02-05-2006, 08:50 AM

How people finally realize the ramification of this bill after it pass. John, Ray and Mee n' Mac. have done an excellent job of accessing the situation. It is too bad we could not knock sense into the reps. I have sent an email to every one of the reps before the voting experessing the same ideals. I got very few answers. I had a feeling they were lobbied to death.

Woodsy · 02-06-2006, 09:00 AM

I moved it to its own thread....

Woodsy

SIKSUKR · 02-06-2006, 10:41 AM

I have just done a count of the vote and it should come as no surprize that votes are split along party lines.These numbers may be off a few but here's what I have for those that voted.
democrats yea-112
democrats nay-17
rebublicans yea-81
repblicans nay-122
It's the same old Democratic "let's legislate and regulate and pass more uneeded laws" mentality,brought about by their usual methods of scare tactics.Lets get back to the independent "elephant" state we have always been that made this the great state it is.It appears we are starting to turn into are our neighboring states.UUGGhh!!

RegalStan2450 · 02-06-2006, 10:45 AM

This is my first post but I have been reading the forums for quite a while. My boat goes around 50mph the law will not effect me really. I also have 2 young children so safety is definately a concern for me.

I just have a very hard time believing that this limit would make the lake safer. Maybe on the weekends only because of the high congestion but telling someone they can't drive their speed boat over 45mph in the broads, on a Tues at 10 am, without a sole in the broads, just seems kind of ridiculous. It is a very big lake.

Another thing is financing this Bill is not going to be easy as Woodsy pointed out.They will have to give out tickets basically to pay for it.

Enforcing it will be even more of a joke. A boat passes a MP at 100 mph. Noway the MP is catching up with that. He may even be able to identify the boat but I bet whoever owns that boat has a high enough priced lawyer for sure. It will be people going 10-15 mph over the speed limit who get most of the tickets because they will be easy prey and will stop for the MP.

How about a 70+ mph PWC good luck with that one.

If I were a MP I would never want this bill passed. It is just going to be a nightmare for them. They would not only need radar guns but I could see them needing a faster boat or PWC to catch people.

Now imagine for one minute that this bill could actually make the lake more unsafe. All this money spent for the lakes first high speed chase, what fun! Imagine someone on a PWC blowing through a NWZ to get away from MP, talk about dangerous.

Yes all these things are very illegal, people could face jailtime for running for the MP for sure but I bet it happens. Just hopefully not with fatal results.

I honestly was very undecided for a while. I have young kids , I want the lake to be safe. I was thinking maybe a 45 mph limit would be a good idea. IMO it will not make the lake more safe and it will cost huge amounts of money and it will be an icredible burden for the MP.

Rayhunt · 02-06-2006, 12:01 PM

Heres one taken on July 3rd .. Watch out for all the kayaks

Island Lover · 02-06-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RegalStan2450

This is my first post but I have been reading the forums for quite a while. My boat goes around 50mph the law will not effect me really. I also have 2 young children so safety is definately a concern for me.

I just have a very hard time believing that this limit would make the lake safer. Maybe on the weekends only because of the high congestion but telling someone they can't drive their speed boat over 45mph in the broads, on a Tues at 10 am, without a sole in the broads, just seems kind of ridiculous. It is a very big lake.

Another thing is financing this Bill is not going to be easy as Woodsy pointed out.They will have to give out tickets basically to pay for it.

Enforcing it will be even more of a joke. A boat passes a MP at 100 mph. Noway the MP is catching up with that. He may even be able to identify the boat but I bet whoever owns that boat has a high enough priced lawyer for sure. It will be people going 10-15 mph over the speed limit who get most of the tickets because they will be easy prey and will stop for the MP.

How about a 70+ mph PWC good luck with that one.

If I were a MP I would never want this bill passed. It is just going to be a nightmare for them. They would not only need radar guns but I could see them needing a faster boat or PWC to catch people.

Now imagine for one minute that this bill could actually make the lake more unsafe. All this money spent for the lakes first high speed chase, what fun! Imagine someone on a PWC blowing through a NWZ to get away from MP, talk about dangerous.

Yes all these things are very illegal, people could face jailtime for running for the MP for sure but I bet it happens. Just hopefully not with fatal results.

I honestly was very undecided for a while. I have young kids , I want the lake to be safe. I was thinking maybe a 45 mph limit would be a good idea. IMO it will not make the lake more safe and it will cost huge amounts of money and it will be an icredible burden for the MP.

Stan

I'm not sure you have thought this one out. Very few boats on the lake can go 100 mph. Most of them have a big name on the side and special paint jobs. How can this boat hide from the MP. The lake is only so big, only a few places where you can dock a boat like that. I would be very surprised if you see any boat chases. The MP has been stopping performance boats for years, there has never been a chase that I know of.

Anyway most people will obey the law because its the law. We don't have a lake full of criminals here! Sure some will go 5 or 10 mph over the limit, just like they do on rt93. But how often do you see a car going 120 mph on the highway. And most cars can actually go that fast. We don't do it because we respect the law.

For the most part HB162 will be self enforcing.

fatlazyless · 02-06-2006, 02:22 PM

Self-enforcement is an interesting concept and most likely will be the actual case in my opinion. For every boat capable of going over 45mph, there are many more which cannot. After all, as everyone who knows anything knows, going 45mph in a boat is hardly a slow speed. It is, in fact, a very fast speed!

After the fatal, rear-end, night time collision which occurred in the first week of August 2002, the unknown-at-the-time Baja Outlaw, described as a white 32' performance boat with designer vinyl graphics on the hull exterior, did leave the scene of the fatal collision, supposedly because the driver was not aware that he had hit anything. Out of all the boats on the lake, that boat was located the next day inside a totally enclosed boat slip. Maybe, it's not too easy to get away, after all?

Some do, some don't, some repeat, some repent, some very very unfortunately get killed and some go to prison. It's a big lake out there.....and a 45-25mph speed limit would certainly help to make it safer plus help to lose the perception of it being an overly speedy lake which is bad for the wide-spread, local, tourist and hospitality driven business economy.

GWC... · 02-06-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Island Lover

For the most part HB162 will be self enforcing.

Just like the 150' rule...

Excalibur · 02-09-2006, 08:48 AM

When people really only pay attention to the speed limit when there is a police officer around.

I wonder if the new laser speed guns will work in detecting a boat jet ski speed.

Drummer Boy · 02-09-2006, 03:49 PM

I can't wait to see if the radar detector in my car will work out on the lake. I think I'll open up a new store that I will call RADAR WORLD

RegalStan2450 · 02-09-2006, 04:16 PM

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I'm not sure you have thought this one out.

Well I have thought quite a bit about it considering I hope to be boating safely on the lake for quite some time in the future. Thanks for that jab though

Maybe I should have changed the mph to 80 mph instead of 100, 100's of boat on the lake can do 80mph+.

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How can this boat hide from the MP. The lake is only so big, only a few places where you can dock a boat like that.

I agree with you here but I adressed this in my post already.More money spent on wasted MP time.

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He may even be able to identify the boat but I bet whoever owns that boat has a high enough priced lawyer for sure.

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I would be very surprised if you see any boat chases. The MP has been stopping performance boats for years, there has never been a chase that I know of.

You are making my exact point. There was no reason for a high speed chase before, people going fast don't get pulled over for going fast. Now they will but will they stop? I agree a boat incident will probably not happen unless someone stupid felt they were too intoxicated or something along those lines and decided to run for that. It is a PWC incident I worry about most.

So IMO again this bill is just wasted money and will not make the lake any safer

Stan

Gilligan · 02-09-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Island Lover

I'm not sure you have thought this one out. Very few boats on the lake can go 100 mph. Most of them have a big name on the side and special paint jobs. How can this boat hide from the MP. The lake is only so big, only a few places where you can dock a boat like that. I would be very surprised if you see any boat chases. The MP has been stopping performance boats for years, there has never been a chase that I know of.

Anyway most people will obey the law because its the law. We don't have a lake full of criminals here! Sure some will go 5 or 10 mph over the limit, just like they do on rt93. But how often do you see a car going 120 mph on the highway. And most cars can actually go that fast. We don't do it because we respect the law.

For the most part HB162 will be self enforcing.

Where do I start! I'll just hit a few quick points.

Self enforcing on Lake Winnipesaukee? Rule compliance is at a high rate when a Marine Patrol is around and much lower when the MP are not in view. MP presence is more of a deterrent then the idea of self enforcing. When MP is around boaters become better and safer boaters.

Some vessels running at almost 1/2 that 100 mph speed have out run and evaded Marine Patrol in a chase. I have watched MP go after 3 seat Sea Doo or PWCs and Baja/Donzi GF style vessels that pull away from the MPs. The MPs seemed to be at wide open throttle. The GF boats were nothing special, around the mid 20 foot lengths I'd guess. The speeds are well within the realm of what some consider the "no ticket" operating speeds if we have the 45/25 limit.

Usually MP starts after these guys because of safe passage violations rather than excessive speed. Regardless, all types of vessels have out run and hide from MPs. I have followed and seen the MP finally give up. I continued expecting to find another MP intercepted and stopped the speeder but there was no other MP around the next island or in view. Too bad it is not easier to see bow numbers on a feeing vessel.

Let me go way out on a limb here Island Lover and guess that you are somewhat in favor of speed limits on Winnipesaukee. As I recall from one line from one of your profuse posts, you think 45 mph is a bit low and would have liked a faster day limit. I think that was you. Why not put some of your efforts toward that end. Fight for a reasonable speed limit. Not 130 or 100 mph but something more reasonable then 45mph.

I used to long for a nice quiet peacful Island to live on but today I have a different opinion about that

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GWC... · 02-02-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermit

Yes, Rayhunt I have been on Winni for years and years and I intend to be for many more! Enjoying canoeing, sailing, scuba diving, fishing, family boating and kyaking without worrying about being killed by an IDIOT!

What about Mother Nature?

She can be deadly, without proper caution taken on your part or are you planning a bill to be enacted against Her, also?

I've enjoyed the Lake for 45 years; but then again, I depended upon common sense rather than legislation.

Enjoy the Lake and be mindful of Mother Nature and the tour boat wakes. They have effected the Lake longer than all of us.

Island Lover · 02-02-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rayhunt

Bunch of old farts and nincompoops.. Have you ever been on winni hermit?

Its incredible! The opposition is now venting their hate, disdain and true feelings on the legislature. AND THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST!

You lost because a year ago you won the first round and decided it was all over! You lost because you think your elected officials are "old farts and nincompoops"! You lost because you wouldn't accept a compromise!

Remember, when boating in salt water you need to flush your engines!

pm203 · 02-02-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Island Lover

Its incredible! The opposition is now venting their hate, disdain and true feelings on the legislature. AND THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST!

You lost because a year ago you won the first round and decided it was all over! You lost because you think your elected officials are "old farts and nincompoops"! You lost because you wouldn't accept a compromise!

Remember, when boating in salt water you need to flush your engines!

I prefer to stay at the lake. It will be business as usual.90 mph runs will never go away! Hope to see you soon.

Lakegeezer · 02-03-2006, 07:08 AM

One more slide down the slippery slope. A sad day for the people of NH when the process of law is used to combat fear. What's next? There is always a crowd with money in their pockets that is afraid of something or other. Land of the Free? Home of the brave? Not as much as it was....

Boater · 02-03-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Fear 1 - Common Sense - 0

I say common sense prevailed!

Here's an article from the Union Leader - http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...e-5709bdb7edc4

Lakegeezer · 02-03-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Boater

I say common sense prevailed!

Here's an article from the Union Leader - http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...e-5709bdb7edc4

From the article: “Thousands and thousands are in fear of the lake now. That is not right. It is not about the rates of accidents. It is fear,” Pilliod said. “I have been on the lake over 70 years and I am frightened right now of what it going on.”

We have a 70+ year old man frightened - and thousands with him. We'll have to agree to disagree. Looks to me like fear prevailed.

GWC... · 02-03-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

From the article: “Thousands and thousands are in fear of the lake now. That is not right. It is not about the rates of accidents. It is fear,” Pilliod said. “I have been on the lake over 70 years and I am frightened right now of what it going on.”

We have a 70+ year old man frightened - and thousands with him. We'll have to agree to disagree. Looks to me like fear prevailed.

That would make him old enough to have been alive when FDR stated, "We have nothing to fear; but fear itself."

Apparently, FDR's words were forgotten and by a politician, no less.

Dave R · 02-03-2006, 02:02 PM

I love this picture and caption in the Union Leader:

"A speed boat travels at high speed across Lake Winnipesaukee last June. (AP)"

Looks like way less than 25 MPH to me...

I offer my congrats to the supporters. The results, thus far, are not really a surprise to anyone are they?

Frank · 02-03-2006, 02:10 PM

Does this bill apply only to "boats" or does it also apply to 1 and 2 person PWCs?

Just curious... my PWC can go much faster than my boat!

- Frank

Dave R · 02-03-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank

Does this bill apply only to "boats" or does it also apply to 1 and 2 person PWCs?

Just curious... my PWC can go much faster than my boat!

- Frank

Applies to all watercraft.

Skip · 02-03-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank

...Does this bill apply only to "boats" or does it also apply to 1 and 2 person PWCs?....

Your PWC is defined under RSA 270-D:1(XI) as a vessel, specifically: "Vessel" means any type of watercraft used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water, except a seaplane."

The proposed HB 162 states in part: X.(a) No person shall operate a vessel...

(b) Where no hazard exists that requires lower speed for compliance with subparagraph (a), the speed of any vessel in excess of the limit specified in this subparagraph shall be prima facie evidence that the speed is not reasonable or prudent and that it is unlawful:

(1) 25 miles per hour during the period from 1/2 hour after sunset to 1/2 hour before sunrise; and

(2) 45 miles per hour at any other time.

The exception being operation on the ocean....

So yes, the proposed legislation does indeed include PWCs.

Hope this answered your question,

Skip

Frank · 02-03-2006, 02:45 PM

Thanks Skip and Dave - I know there are some rule differences for 1 and 2 person PWCs and for boats... just wanted to know if this was the case with this law.

Frank · 02-03-2006, 02:48 PM

And to reply to my own reply... in terms of effect of the law, I imagine there are alot more PWCs on the lake that can go well over 45 MPH than there are big fast boats (or family cruisers).

MboroughNeckKid · 02-03-2006, 03:51 PM

First post long time reader! I grew up going to this lake as my grandparents have owned a place since the mid 70's and continue to spend almost every day off up there during the summer.

I have many problems with this legislation, first and foremost is why does a law pass that the Marine Patrol has stated there is no way to enforce it. If they want to make the lake safer they need not pass more legislation, they need to improve the funding to the Marine Patrol so they can better enforce the rules on the lake. To me what can make this lake danegerous is the lack of knowledge of the boaters that cause the problems. If everyone on the lake understood the rules and followed them this law would of never happened. To the ones who want this bill, its not even close to solving the problem, how many drivers drive the speed limit on 93 and its posted every few miles. What are they going to do place floating speed limit signs on the lake! Its a feel happy piece of legislation thats not going to solve the problem. Education of the current rules and a better funded Marine Partol will help make the lake a safer place not a feel good piece of legislation. I could go one a lot longer but will spare everyone. And yes I have written my representives concerning this.

Just my two cents worth!

Dave R · 02-03-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank

And to reply to my own reply... in terms of effect of the law, I imagine there are alot more PWCs on the lake that can go well over 45 MPH than there are big fast boats (or family cruisers).

Just about all of them will go over 45 I'd bet. Almost none will exceed 60 though. The boats targeted by the law are capable of much more than 60. Someday, someone will get scared of PWCs and they will probably be driven out as well. Glad I'm interested in neither...

overlook · 02-03-2006, 09:44 PM

What law will be next?
When a heavy boat travels at 25mph it is going to through up a considerable wake. I am aware that the operator is responsable for property damage there wake causes, but it will make it very uncomfortable for any one trying to take a cruise.
I got it-- no boat over 3000lbs may operate after dark except at headway speed.
Never mind, I forgot. The Marine patrole has to identify the operator.
I got it-- Marine patrole can ticket vessels.

Be carful for witch you wish for you just might get it.

Eat Wakes hb-162 supporters

fatlazyless · 02-03-2006, 02:44 PM

That yellow and black boat looks like the Summa Humma which was in a big front-page Union Leader article last summer. Equipped with three inboard-outboards, it is a 47' Fountain that goes 60mph at 3000prm running all three engines, and has a top speed of over 100mph. It was listed for sale last summer at Silver Sands for either $195 or $295,000., can't remember, and includes a good trailer with matching paint.

Here's a friendly suggestion. Don't sell it - convert it over into a salmon & lake trout fishing machine. For like $1500. total, if you shop smart, you can get a used 15hp Evinrude two-stroker -tiller handle xl shaft, a mounting bracket, a three gal gas tank and gas line, two 48" manual used down-riggers, a ten foot 2x8 for a downrigger holding bar, a new Lowrance fish-finder and a whole bunch more of new, not used, fishing stuff. Hey what-a-deal! I'm not just making this up.

Plus, by trolling along at 1.5mph, just imagine how much you'll save on gasoline and boat speeding violations, which will be linked to your car insurance rate. You might even like trolling so much that you start to get a lttle annoyed when some other gf-bl buzzes past at 70mph.

codeman671 · 02-03-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

That yellow and black boat looks like the Summa Humma which was in a big front-page Union Leader article last summer. Equipped with three inboard-outboards, it is a 47' Fountain that goes 60mph at 3000prm running all three engines, and has a top speed of over 100mph. It was listed for sale last summer at Silver Sands for either $195 or $295,000., can't remember, and includes a good trailer with matching paint.

Here's a friendly suggestion. Don't sell it - convert it over into a salmon & lake trout fishing machine. For like $1500. total, if you shop smart, you can get a used 15hp Evinrude two-stroker -tiller handle xl shaft, a mounting bracket, a three gal gas tank and gas line, two 48" manual used down-riggers, a ten foot 2x8 for a downrigger holding bar, a new Lowrance fish-finder and a whole bunch more of new, not used, fishing stuff. Hey what-a-deal! I'm not just making this up.

Plus, by trolling along at 1.5mph, just imagine how much you'll save on gasoline and boat speeding violations, which will be linked to your car insurance rate. You might even like trolling so much that you start to get a lttle annoyed when some other gf-bl buzzes past at 70mph.

I doubt Mark is hurting for money and needs to sell it, I would not hold your breath for this boat to become a salmon hunter...My guess is that it will be circling Bear Island ominously all summer...

Cal · 02-03-2006, 05:01 PM

Since boats are not yet required by law to have speedometers , I wonder if I removed my speedo. and replaced it with an engine sync guage if it would help my battle in court if necessary

Woodsy · 02-03-2006, 08:16 AM

the majority spoke.... and the minority suffers. So what else is new? There will still be hi-performance boaters on Lake Winni and elsewhere.

HB-162 is still an unfunded mandate. For the law to take effect it has to by law be funded. The House of Representatives wanted nothing to do with trying to figure out where the money is going to come from. The Senate still has to find a way to pay for HB-162. I have absolutely no idea where they are going to find the money. There will probably be some sort of house/senate comittee that will come up with what will be the final version.

Woodsy

fatlazyless · 02-03-2006, 08:45 AM

Today Feb 3 is the last day to apply for a seasonal $12.53/hour Marine Patrol law enforcement job if I remember correctly. Candidates have to pass many tests and interviews and background checks for their mental-physical-attitudes and abilities. Methinks, I'll go comb my hair and head down to the Dept of Safety in Concord for a sure-thing, fast-trak enlistment. See you on the Big Lake, ho-ho. This summer should be a blast!

Cal · 02-03-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

This summer should be a blast!

You are absolutely correct , since the law goes into effect 2007

. If it passes the rest of the process

BroadHopper · 02-03-2006, 08:59 AM

Funding will be a big issue. Last summer the most patrol officers NH has on any given day is less then 100. Yet these officers have jurisdiction of about 600 lakes, rivers and ponds scattered throughout the state.
If the state does not increase the fundings and the NHMP allocate what they have to training and radar guns, they will have to cut back on manpower to be within budget. So everybody loses except Captain Bonehead. He will be laughing his butt off as there are less available resource to catch him violating the safe passage laws. This is the biggest fear that everyone is talking about. The fear is worst than before.

ApS · 02-04-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

"...If the state does not increase the fundings and the NHMP allocate what they have to training and radar guns, they will have to cut back on manpower to be within budget..."

Why would funding be a problem?

Lake George reportedly only had to write 4 or 5 tickets last year. To do that tiny bit of enforcement would only require a single radar gun and one or two trainees. Nobody's asking for ten radar guns and thirty radar-trained patrolmen around the clock.

Just the prospect of a little enforcement keeps most honest.

(And big insurance premiums)

ApS · 02-03-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Fear 1 - Common Sense - 0

One more slide down the slippery slope. A sad day for the people of NH when the process of law is used to combat fear. What's next? There is always a crowd with money in their pockets that is afraid of something or other. Land of the Free? Home of the brave? Not as much as it was....

And what would be "common sense" to 180 summer camp directors? Hmmm?

Actually, it was only in the closing week that I thought the bill didn't look so good. I'd bumped into a politically-well-connected gentleman from Rye, who said that New Hampshire was "fiscally conservative" but "socially libertarian". He didn't give the bill much of a chance. Yesterday's split, 193-139, said otherwise.

As to banning cruisers, what precedent exists for such a law? Lake speed limits have been in effect all over for ages—even smaller New Hampshire lakes: I'm unaware of cruiser banning—anywhere.

Boy, are the go-fasts mad "over there". They want to know where the supporters live on the lake, so they can make their lives miserable!

LG: Winnipesaukee boaters were "Home of the Brave" last year—thousands of us—as you just stated. There's less reason to be "brave" now.

Rayhunt · 02-03-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Island Lover

Its incredible! The opposition is now venting their hate, disdain and true feelings on the legislature. AND THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY LOST!

You lost because a year ago you won the first round and decided it was all over! You lost because you think your elected officials are "old farts and nincompoops"! You lost because you wouldn't accept a compromise!

Remember, when boating in salt water you need to flush your engines!

I wasnt talking about the legislature , I was talking about the fools that spoke for this bill ! "Windbags" I mean winfabs and the Bear island elite...
The lake will not change into "On Golden Pond" Those days are gone ...
The 40 foot cruisers wakes will still bash your boat against the dock. The inept marine patrol will still do there darndest just to train there seasonal employees. And all the farts on Bear island and elsewhere will cry and whine for more legislation to make there miserable life more safe.
And not one piece of evidence to support this travesty.

Hermit · 02-02-2006, 10:08 PM

Yes, it passed and I was there to see it! Thank goodness that Reps of both parties responded to their grassroots constituents and did something important to protect our safety.

There were lots and lots of people with Yellow Winnfab stickers on their lapels walking through the hallways of the Capitol over the past two days and it is not over. To paraphrase the old movie "Network": 'We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!"

Maybe those Go Fast boat owners can load their monsters up on their trailers and take them to the ocean where they belong. An amendment was passed to exempt NH's 3 mile limit from the the speed limits, but the rivers and Great Bay are included. Too bad they will have to drive sanely to get outside the harbor.

Rockdaddy · 02-03-2006, 09:07 AM

So, who wants to bet on what will be band next from the lake, Big Cabin Cruisers or Jet Ski's????
"CAN YOU SAY SLIPPERY SLOPE"

RumGuy · 02-03-2006, 09:34 AM

I think that I have said this before:
What is the ratio of ALCOHOL related mishaps to SPEED related ones?
Common sense (what's that??) should rule the speed limit.
BTW my old boat probably only clears 35 MPH but it FEELS fast!

Seaplane Pilot · 02-03-2006, 09:47 AM

In the famous words of John Belushi in Animal House: "When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No. Then we won't give up now."

I think the fact that this passed the House is probably the best thing to happen for the anti-speed limit side. Now everyone is awake and will get off their butts and take some action on the Senate side. No way are we letting the ""On Golden Pond" crowd roll back the hands of time to the 1950's. Again, in the spirit of Animal House - "Time for a Toga Party"

fatlazyless · 02-04-2006, 09:20 AM

Here' a link to today's Union Leader article titled Speed limits may sink in the Senate.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...imits+may+sink...

And a link to the NH Senate members directory which shows what towns each Senator represents and his/her email & snail-mail address.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...temembers.html

On your mark; ready, set & go..... go for it everyone!

02-02-2006, 04:55 PM	#1
playinghooky Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 61 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	It Passed!!! Just heard on the news - It Passed!!!

02-02-2006, 09:18 PM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	...i forgot to mention ...and for one more time....and don't forget.....going 45mph in a boat is hardly a slow speed. Is is, in fact, a very fast speed! So there! Like, just maybe you want to sell off the old Baja for cheap and get an old aluminum fishing outboard boat and try going 45mph in that, or better yet, try going fishing at 1.5 mph. Have a great day!

02-02-2006, 10:00 PM	#4
Hermit Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Common Sense Prevails in the House! Yes, it passed and I was there to see it! Thank goodness that Reps of both parties responded to their grassroots constituents and did something important to protect our safety. There were lots and lots of people with Yellow Winnfab stickers on their lapels walking through the hallways of the Capitol over the past two days and it is not over. To paraphrase the old movie "Network": 'We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!" Maybe those Go Fast boat owners can load their monsters up on their trailers and take them to the ocean where they belong. An amendment was passed to exempt NH's 3 mile limit from the the speed limits, but the rivers and Great Bay are included. Too bad they will have to drive sanely to get outside the harbor.

02-02-2006, 10:44 PM	#7
Rinkerfam Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts	Hermit, Be careful here. I would shy away from implying that anyone going over 45mph during the day or 25mph at night is an idiot. You may have just opened up another can of worms. Like Winnilaker, I am not a target for this new bill even though my boat goes over 45mph. I am affraid of what will come next if this goes all the way. Excessive regulation is never the answer. Education is. __________________ Education is hanging around 'til you've caught on - Frost

02-05-2006, 08:50 AM	#11
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,568 Thanks: 3,199 Thanked 1,099 Times in 792 Posts	Funny How people finally realize the ramification of this bill after it pass. John, Ray and Mee n' Mac. have done an excellent job of accessing the situation. It is too bad we could not knock sense into the reps. I have sent an email to every one of the reps before the voting experessing the same ideals. I got very few answers. I had a feeling they were lobbied to death. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

02-02-2006, 09:48 PM	#3
itchin for fishin Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 105 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	This passed on the simple argument that "I can't use the lake with my kids." Pure and simple. The arguments of live free or die, unenforceable, even $ is going to lose to baseball, ice cream and apple pie. It's a tough argument to beat in politics that "I want to have the freedom to use my boat as I want" over "my kid can't kayak or fish". Regardless, the Senate is always the place this battle is won or lost. Like I said before, it's like watching Jack Bauer.... tick tock tick tock.

02-02-2006, 10:05 PM	#5
Rayhunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gilford NH Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Bunch of old farts and nincompoops.. Have you ever been on winni hermit?

02-06-2006, 09:00 AM	#12
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,964 Thanks: 80 Thanked 978 Times in 439 Posts	I moved it to its own thread.... Woodsy Last edited by Woodsy; 02-06-2006 at 10:18 AM.

02-06-2006, 10:41 AM	#13
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Same old story I have just done a count of the vote and it should come as no surprize that votes are split along party lines.These numbers may be off a few but here's what I have for those that voted. democrats yea-112 democrats nay-17 rebublicans yea-81 repblicans nay-122 It's the same old Democratic "let's legislate and regulate and pass more uneeded laws" mentality,brought about by their usual methods of scare tactics.Lets get back to the independent "elephant" state we have always been that made this the great state it is.It appears we are starting to turn into are our neighboring states.UUGGhh!! __________________ SIKSUKR

02-06-2006, 10:45 AM	#14
RegalStan2450 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is my first post but I have been reading the forums for quite a while. My boat goes around 50mph the law will not effect me really. I also have 2 young children so safety is definately a concern for me. I just have a very hard time believing that this limit would make the lake safer. Maybe on the weekends only because of the high congestion but telling someone they can't drive their speed boat over 45mph in the broads, on a Tues at 10 am, without a sole in the broads, just seems kind of ridiculous. It is a very big lake. Another thing is financing this Bill is not going to be easy as Woodsy pointed out.They will have to give out tickets basically to pay for it. Enforcing it will be even more of a joke. A boat passes a MP at 100 mph. Noway the MP is catching up with that. He may even be able to identify the boat but I bet whoever owns that boat has a high enough priced lawyer for sure. It will be people going 10-15 mph over the speed limit who get most of the tickets because they will be easy prey and will stop for the MP. How about a 70+ mph PWC good luck with that one. If I were a MP I would never want this bill passed. It is just going to be a nightmare for them. They would not only need radar guns but I could see them needing a faster boat or PWC to catch people. Now imagine for one minute that this bill could actually make the lake more unsafe. All this money spent for the lakes first high speed chase, what fun! Imagine someone on a PWC blowing through a NWZ to get away from MP, talk about dangerous. Yes all these things are very illegal, people could face jailtime for running for the MP for sure but I bet it happens. Just hopefully not with fatal results. I honestly was very undecided for a while. I have young kids , I want the lake to be safe. I was thinking maybe a 45 mph limit would be a good idea. IMO it will not make the lake more safe and it will cost huge amounts of money and it will be an icredible burden for the MP.

02-06-2006, 12:01 PM	#15
Rayhunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gilford NH Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The crowds Heres one taken on July 3rd .. Watch out for all the kayaks Attached Images

02-06-2006, 02:22 PM	#17
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	.......it's a big lake! Self-enforcement is an interesting concept and most likely will be the actual case in my opinion. For every boat capable of going over 45mph, there are many more which cannot. After all, as everyone who knows anything knows, going 45mph in a boat is hardly a slow speed. It is, in fact, a very fast speed! After the fatal, rear-end, night time collision which occurred in the first week of August 2002, the unknown-at-the-time Baja Outlaw, described as a white 32' performance boat with designer vinyl graphics on the hull exterior, did leave the scene of the fatal collision, supposedly because the driver was not aware that he had hit anything. Out of all the boats on the lake, that boat was located the next day inside a totally enclosed boat slip. Maybe, it's not too easy to get away, after all? Some do, some don't, some repeat, some repent, some very very unfortunately get killed and some go to prison. It's a big lake out there.....and a 45-25mph speed limit would certainly help to make it safer plus help to lose the perception of it being an overly speedy lake which is bad for the wide-spread, local, tourist and hospitality driven business economy.

02-09-2006, 08:48 AM	#19
Excalibur Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gilford,NH is where I would like to be and Southborough, MA is where I have to be Posts: 88 Thanks: 14 Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts	It will be just like driving on Rt93 now... When people really only pay attention to the speed limit when there is a police officer around. I wonder if the new laser speed guns will work in detecting a boat jet ski speed.

02-09-2006, 03:49 PM	#20
Drummer Boy Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Radar detectors for boats I can't wait to see if the radar detector in my car will work out on the lake. I think I'll open up a new store that I will call RADAR WORLD

02-03-2006, 07:08 AM	#26
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,676 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 353 Thanked 637 Times in 289 Posts	Fear 1 - Common Sense - 0 One more slide down the slippery slope. A sad day for the people of NH when the process of law is used to combat fear. What's next? There is always a crowd with money in their pockets that is afraid of something or other. Land of the Free? Home of the brave? Not as much as it was.... __________________ -lg

02-03-2006, 02:02 PM	#30
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,983 Thanks: 246 Thanked 743 Times in 443 Posts	I love this picture and caption in the Union Leader: "A speed boat travels at high speed across Lake Winnipesaukee last June. (AP)" Looks like way less than 25 MPH to me... I offer my congrats to the supporters. The results, thus far, are not really a surprise to anyone are they?

02-03-2006, 02:10 PM	#31
Frank Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	PWCs? Does this bill apply only to "boats" or does it also apply to 1 and 2 person PWCs? Just curious... my PWC can go much faster than my boat! - Frank

02-03-2006, 02:45 PM	#34
Frank Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Skip and Dave - I know there are some rule differences for 1 and 2 person PWCs and for boats... just wanted to know if this was the case with this law.

02-03-2006, 02:48 PM	#35
Frank Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	And to reply to my own reply... in terms of effect of the law, I imagine there are alot more PWCs on the lake that can go well over 45 MPH than there are big fast boats (or family cruisers).

02-03-2006, 03:51 PM	#36
MboroughNeckKid Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	First post long time reader! I grew up going to this lake as my grandparents have owned a place since the mid 70's and continue to spend almost every day off up there during the summer. I have many problems with this legislation, first and foremost is why does a law pass that the Marine Patrol has stated there is no way to enforce it. If they want to make the lake safer they need not pass more legislation, they need to improve the funding to the Marine Patrol so they can better enforce the rules on the lake. To me what can make this lake danegerous is the lack of knowledge of the boaters that cause the problems. If everyone on the lake understood the rules and followed them this law would of never happened. To the ones who want this bill, its not even close to solving the problem, how many drivers drive the speed limit on 93 and its posted every few miles. What are they going to do place floating speed limit signs on the lake! Its a feel happy piece of legislation thats not going to solve the problem. Education of the current rules and a better funded Marine Partol will help make the lake a safer place not a feel good piece of legislation. I could go one a lot longer but will spare everyone. And yes I have written my representives concerning this. Just my two cents worth!

02-03-2006, 09:44 PM	#38
overlook Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gilford Posts: 57 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What law will be next? When a heavy boat travels at 25mph it is going to through up a considerable wake. I am aware that the operator is responsable for property damage there wake causes, but it will make it very uncomfortable for any one trying to take a cruise. I got it-- no boat over 3000lbs may operate after dark except at headway speed. Never mind, I forgot. The Marine patrole has to identify the operator. I got it-- Marine patrole can ticket vessels. Be carful for witch you wish for you just might get it. Eat Wakes hb-162 supporters

02-03-2006, 02:44 PM	#39
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	.....trolling for fun! That yellow and black boat looks like the Summa Humma which was in a big front-page Union Leader article last summer. Equipped with three inboard-outboards, it is a 47' Fountain that goes 60mph at 3000prm running all three engines, and has a top speed of over 100mph. It was listed for sale last summer at Silver Sands for either $195 or $295,000., can't remember, and includes a good trailer with matching paint. Here's a friendly suggestion. Don't sell it - convert it over into a salmon & lake trout fishing machine. For like $1500. total, if you shop smart, you can get a used 15hp Evinrude two-stroker -tiller handle xl shaft, a mounting bracket, a three gal gas tank and gas line, two 48" manual used down-riggers, a ten foot 2x8 for a downrigger holding bar, a new Lowrance fish-finder and a whole bunch more of new, not used, fishing stuff. Hey what-a-deal! I'm not just making this up. Plus, by trolling along at 1.5mph, just imagine how much you'll save on gasoline and boat speeding violations, which will be linked to your car insurance rate. You might even like trolling so much that you start to get a lttle annoyed when some other gf-bl buzzes past at 70mph.

02-03-2006, 05:01 PM	#41
Cal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pitman , NJ Posts: 627 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Since boats are not yet required by law to have speedometers , I wonder if I removed my speedo. and replaced it with an engine sync guage if it would help my battle in court if necessary Attached Images __________________ Paddle faster , I think I here banjos

02-03-2006, 08:16 AM	#42
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,964 Thanks: 80 Thanked 978 Times in 439 Posts	the majority spoke.... and the minority suffers. So what else is new? There will still be hi-performance boaters on Lake Winni and elsewhere. HB-162 is still an unfunded mandate. For the law to take effect it has to by law be funded. The House of Representatives wanted nothing to do with trying to figure out where the money is going to come from. The Senate still has to find a way to pay for HB-162. I have absolutely no idea where they are going to find the money. There will probably be some sort of house/senate comittee that will come up with what will be the final version. Woodsy

02-03-2006, 08:45 AM	#43
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	....new recruits for the NH Marine Patrol Today Feb 3 is the last day to apply for a seasonal $12.53/hour Marine Patrol law enforcement job if I remember correctly. Candidates have to pass many tests and interviews and background checks for their mental-physical-attitudes and abilities. Methinks, I'll go comb my hair and head down to the Dept of Safety in Concord for a sure-thing, fast-trak enlistment. See you on the Big Lake, ho-ho. This summer should be a blast!

02-03-2006, 08:59 AM	#45
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,568 Thanks: 3,199 Thanked 1,099 Times in 792 Posts	Funding Funding will be a big issue. Last summer the most patrol officers NH has on any given day is less then 100. Yet these officers have jurisdiction of about 600 lakes, rivers and ponds scattered throughout the state. If the state does not increase the fundings and the NHMP allocate what they have to training and radar guns, they will have to cut back on manpower to be within budget. So everybody loses except Captain Bonehead. He will be laughing his butt off as there are less available resource to catch him violating the safe passage laws. This is the biggest fear that everyone is talking about. The fear is worst than before. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

02-02-2006, 10:08 PM	#49
Hermit Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Common Sense Prevails in the House Yes, it passed and I was there to see it! Thank goodness that Reps of both parties responded to their grassroots constituents and did something important to protect our safety. There were lots and lots of people with Yellow Winnfab stickers on their lapels walking through the hallways of the Capitol over the past two days and it is not over. To paraphrase the old movie "Network": 'We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!" Maybe those Go Fast boat owners can load their monsters up on their trailers and take them to the ocean where they belong. An amendment was passed to exempt NH's 3 mile limit from the the speed limits, but the rivers and Great Bay are included. Too bad they will have to drive sanely to get outside the harbor.

02-03-2006, 09:07 AM	#50
Rockdaddy Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	So, who wants to bet on what will be band next from the lake, Big Cabin Cruisers or Jet Ski's???? "CAN YOU SAY SLIPPERY SLOPE"

02-03-2006, 09:34 AM	#51
RumGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cape Cod / W.Alton Posts: 76 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Speed I think that I have said this before: What is the ratio of ALCOHOL related mishaps to SPEED related ones? Common sense (what's that??) should rule the speed limit. BTW my old boat probably only clears 35 MPH but it FEELS fast!

02-03-2006, 09:47 AM	#52
Seaplane Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 664 Thanked 943 Times in 368 Posts	Wake Up Call In the famous words of John Belushi in Animal House: "When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? No. Then we won't give up now." I think the fact that this passed the House is probably the best thing to happen for the anti-speed limit side. Now everyone is awake and will get off their butts and take some action on the Senate side. No way are we letting the ""On Golden Pond" crowd roll back the hands of time to the 1950's. Again, in the spirit of Animal House - "Time for a Toga Party"

02-04-2006, 09:20 AM	#53
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,723 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,000 Times in 729 Posts	....to the NH State Senate! Here' a link to today's Union Leader article titled Speed limits may sink in the Senate. http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...imits+may+sink... And a link to the NH Senate members directory which shows what towns each Senator represents and his/her email & snail-mail address. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/sena...temembers.html On your mark; ready, set & go..... go for it everyone!