Benson Signs Anti-Skimming Law

[Bear Guy]

"Skimming snowmobiles over open water will be prohibited beginning Jan. 1."

http://www.thewmurchannel.com/politi...67/detail.html

[Mink Islander]

If you read the whole article, the better news is that NH tightened the laws surrounding reporting accidents and increased penalties for leaving the scene of an accident.

[nightrider]

how long will it be before the state slogan is removed from the license plate?

[Tyler]

I think we are finally seeing the affects of recent years of high influx of Mass. people into the lakes region. Sad.

[Pepper]

Originally Posted by Tyler

I think we are finally seeing the affects of recent years of high influx of Mass. people into the lakes region. Sad.

Tyler, skimming has absolutely nothing to do with a person's state of origin - there is no evidence that skimmers are primarily from Mass, or NH or anywhere else for that matter. Skimming has been going on for as many years as they've been making machines fast enough to do it, and people foolish enough to try it. Please don't make this into another topic of "us" vs. "them". We've got too much cross-state-lines bashing as it is.

[SIKSUKR]

I agree Pepper.I'm a born and bred granite stater but I hate the Mass vs NH thing.Find somewhere else to throw stones please. SS

[B R]

Originally Posted by Pepper

Tyler, skimming has absolutely nothing to do with a person's state of origin - there is no evidence that skimmers are primarily from Mass, or NH or anywhere else for that matter. Skimming has been going on for as many years as they've been making machines fast enough to do it, and people foolish enough to try it. Please don't make this into another topic of "us" vs. "them". We've got too much cross-state-lines bashing as it is.

i believe what tyler is talking about here is not the people who are doing the skimming, but the people who are bringing votes like this to the floor and making it law. he's pointing out that the more people from Mass who move up to NH, the more silly laws will be placed on the good residents of NH.

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born in NH, grew up in NH, currently living in Mass and vacationing in NH.

[Tired of Waiting]

Originally Posted by Tyler

I think we are finally seeing the affects of recent years of high influx of Mass. people into the lakes region. Sad.

SHEEEEEssssssssssssss, This bashing gets old.

ToW

[Zee]

I agree with Tyler. The influx of Mass. liberal voters is bound to have an effect either positive or negative on the NH lifestyle to some extent. I for one hope that NH keeps it's uniqueness. That's why I'm relocating up here. Born in NH, raised in NH and Mass, live in Mass. but a darn good conservative republican!

[Fancy]

"good" and "conservative republican" all in one sentence??? Yikes!

[madrasahs]

Originally Posted by Tyler

I think we are finally seeing the affects of recent years of high influx of Mass. people into the lakes region. Sad.

This Massachusetts bashing gets old. There's no place here for unimaginative and negative thoughts.

You need training in nuance!






Doesn't Massachusetts have lakes?

[madrasahs]

Originally Posted by nightrider

how long will it be before the state slogan is removed from the license plate?

Just register your skimmer as a boat -- skim all summer and winter.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by nightrider

how long will it be before the state slogan is removed from the license plate?

If you're skimming in icy water, the new slogan will be "Live, Freeze and Die"
(I can't take credit for this, I heard it from a Dartmouth student)

[nightrider]

"Just register your skimmer as a boat -- skim all summer and winter."

I already register 3 sleds at $67 each, and I can't skim...period. Remember the law that started this thread?

[meredith necker]

I really don't understand what you're talking about. NH has had a continuing influx of people from Mass and other states for the last probably 50 or 60 years, there's nothing new in this. I don't think they can all be classified as liberal or all of them conservative. And why a skimming law in May????

[GWC...]

I may be wrong; but I do believe the Mass influx, including the Jordan Marsh family of Boston fame (married the boss's daughter), extends beyond 50 - 60 years.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by GWC...

I may be wrong; but I do believe the Mass influx, including the Jordan Marsh family of Boston fame (married the boss's daughter), extends beyond 50 - 60 years.

Wait a minute, are you saying that most of New Hampshire was once Massachusetts?

[GWC...]

... at least to a point three miles north of Endicott Rock (1906 photo) at Weirs Beach; but later it receded to the Endicott Tree - the Governor spelled his name with one T, interestingly.

Also, the NH border extended westward to the Hudson River (NY border) - Vermont did not exist, originally and the NH territory was known as Laconia.

Then again, the northern part of NH split and became a separate country - Indian Stream Nation, for a little while.

A little history about some NH people.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

Don't forget too, that until 1820 Maine was part of Massachusetts. Nothing to do with this thread, but interesting history.

[KBoater]

Great NH stuff. I'm still looking for Lake Winnie folk lore for children.
Maybe you should start a history tread.

[madrasahs]

Vermont was sliced away from New Hampshire by George III just before The Revolution.

New Hampshire was, however, granted all of the river that divides them (the Connecticut River) and the islands in it, so Vermont townlines begin on their side at the water's edge instead of the middle of the river as in other states.

A must-locate-book for hikers of the Adirondacks of New York, the Green Mountains of Vermont, the White Mountains of New Hampshire or the mountains of Maine, is a book printed during WWII, The Gentle Mountains***.

It states on one page, "...this is a nice little Vermont trail, not well known even to the local villagers. You'll see fewer hikers on this trail than Democrats at Vermont polls."

***The back flyleaf states: "Don't let Nazi generals and Japanese Imperialists ruin our green mountains with their get-away castles. Buy U.S. War Bonds".

[the real laze]

It's this state going down the toilet. Aren't laws supposed to protect the general public from others' actions? How does this law fit? The prevents the individual from harming themselves? I'm sorry that is NOT the governments job. What's next, padded rooms for everyone mandated by law? Common Benson, stand up for what this state use to stand for, squash this, I for one am very disappointed. File this one up there with mandatory seat belt laws. IF you're not intelligent enough to understand the laws of Physics you deserve the consiquences. Kind of like if you don't understand that snowmobiles don't float, um hello. Okay it costs the state and towns money, make it like the lost hiker rules, you get lost, you foot the bill for recovery.

*steps down of his soap box and zips his flame retardant suit*

[Rattlesnake Gal]

To quote our forefather Benjamin Franklin “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
How much freedom do people have to give up to ensure the safety of a few?
I subscribe to the Darwin theory: Survival of the fittest.

[Tired of Waiting]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

To quote our forefather Benjamin Franklin “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
How much freedom do people have to give up to ensure the safety of a few?
I subscribe to the Darwin theory: Survival of the fittest.

Ah yes a writing I can agree with.

And just think of all the money and trouble of having search and rescue units that will be saved. They won't be needed any more. Yes "survival of the fitest". And don't give me the ol "well they didn't cause it so they should be helped, remember "survival of the fittest". And then we could get rid of most of the free health care given out, after all "survival of the fittest" If you ain't fit then you don't survive.

I cold go on but won't.

ToW

[madrasahs]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

To quote our forefather Benjamin Franklin “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

essential, adj. 1) absolutely necessary; indispensable.

[The Eagle]

Hi Gang,
Something is wrong with this group of threads. It doesn't matter where the person comes from, or who votes for what. Sometimes, people who lack common sence, NEED someone to protect them. Why not put wheels on boats and drive them down the highway? Why not drive air planes on the highway? They have wheels don't they? Boats are made for water, planes for the sky, and snowmobiles for snow. They are called SNOWMobiles for a reason. I have a PWC, but I can't take that on the snow. You Bash Mass residents for their bringing MA Politics up to NH, and you ask, when will NH change it's slogan. "Live Free or Die", right? You DO have a right to do as you want, but what about the poor man or woman just trying to support thier family doing their job. (What do I mean by that?) How about the Firefighter, or Rescue Worker who gets killed trying to pull your dumb butt out of the lake when you sink you snowmobile in the water. What about your own family that has to bury you when your foolishness costs them a husband, or father, brother, sister, or son, or daughter. You have a right to freedom, but no one bashes a policeman who talks down a "Jumper" from a bridge or building. Why not just let them jump? Why not let someone burn when they are caught in a buring building if they caused to catch fire?Common Sence guys, Common Sence. You are having fun, but you could cost someone else their life. Would you be able to live with that?
"The Eagle"

[Rattlesnake Gal]

People should be in charge of their own lives. Not the state or government. This is just opening the door for other laws that are “for our own good.”
Do you want mandatory use of personal floatation devices at all times when on our boats? No thanks. I would prefer to keep the choice. People die each year because they weren't using one. Again, they knew the risk.
I would guess that more people are killed each year from cancer as a result of cigarette smoking. Do they ban that? My mother happens to smoke, but if it takes her life it was her own fault. I will be heartbroken, but she knew the consequences.
Rescue personnel should not have to risk their lives when someone knowingly puts them self in danger doing something outrageous.
I don’t smoke and I use my seat belt because it is the smart thing to do. When it is dangerously rough water, I use my PFD. Common sense is the key. If I had a snow machine, I would not skim.
Have you seen the books published each year called the Darwin Awards? Just from the stupid things people do in a year, the list of potential laws for their protection would be colossal.
Do we really want to give away our freedom to live the way we choose? The government does not know best.
This is my opinion, which I am entitled to on the subject of laws like the Anti-Skimming Law. It is not about MA vs. NH. I am sorry to those people who do not agree with me. You are entitled to your opinion. I love this country and our freedom! I just want it to stay free like our forefathers intended.

[madrasahs]

Originally Posted by The Eagle

"Hi Gang, Something is wrong with this group of threads. It doesn't matter where the person comes from...."

Oh? I respectfully disagree.

Last month, a poll of 16,000 drivers rated Massachusetts drivers the 50th-worst-state. "The worst of the worst".

http://www.iberkshires.com/story.php?story_id=13947

You may want to familiarize yourself with the "new" driving attitudes:

http://www.worcestermass.com/driving.shtml

On Winnipesaukee, they bring their driving "talents and attitudes" to us. It is a border war, and it has been brought to us.

[SIKSUKR]

Why does this thread keep showing up as"yesterday"when I click on new posts?The last post was on the 18th.Is it me? SS

[Pepper]

SS, if you're using the scroll-down box at the top of the thread to see the new posts, the last one in that box shows on 5/18. However, directly underneath that - inside the scroll-down box, is a little note that indicates something like "more threads beyond current window" or something like that. If you click on that, it will show you the rest of the replies in the thread. If you'd like to see just the new posts in a thread, simply click the tiny blue check-mark next to the title of the thread, and it will take you to the first new post since your last log-on. I hope this helps! So many new toys on this forum - it'll take all of us a while to learn how truly slick this new format is!

[Bear Guy]

You must be viewing the Forum in Hybrid or Threaded Mode. If you scroll to the bottom of the threaded view, you should see a comment that says More replies below current depth.... If you click on this, it will display the rest of the threads that cascade beyond a certain default cascading depth.
You should see that the most recent post was in fact yesterday (well, now today), but it did not show up in the truncated thread view because it is at level 32ish. Default seems to show only messages that are below level 16ish.
I suspect that this highly cascaded hierarchy of messages in this thread are an effect of the NewForum, as in the OldeForum it was easier to tell which message you were replying to. Now, in Linear Mode, the Reply button replies to the most recently posted message.