Has anyone else noticed verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions?

LovelyToSeeYou · 09-11-2009, 11:11 AM

I joined the Winnipesaukee Forum only recently. I happened to be reading about restaurants and was interested in finding out about a new restaurant that I liked. I read some posts that sounded like junior high school. I then decided to post anyway. There are some restaurants that I feel have disappointed me this year and last and seem to be not as good a value as they had been. Other friends I know here at the lake agreed with me. There are other restaurants that seem to be great. One in particular seemed to have great food at great prices and great hours. I trired to talk about some of my opinions. I was told to give specifics if I had had a bad experience etc. I attempted to do that. Believe it or not, I was then accused of posting as a friend of the owner of the restaurant that I liked and having an agenda to pump that restaurant and put the others down. I am a grandmother of seven and mother of four and feel that this sort of drama is not worth my time. Has anyone else had this sort of experience?

gravy boat · 09-11-2009, 11:29 AM

Yes, I've noticed that happens from time to time. It seems to be common in an anonymous forum setting. Perhaps being able to hide behind a screen name provides some folks with the intestinal fortitude to say what they would not if their identity was known. Especially attacking others with opinions different from their own.

Don't allow others' ignorance to prevent you from expressing your opinions.

GB

ishoot308 · 09-11-2009, 11:42 AM

Give it a break will you!! This forum and 99.9% of it's members are respectful people and don't thrive off drama like you seem to.

In just a short number of posts you have unsuccessfully tried to run down the reputation of some fine local area restaurants that have established themselves with a great reputation with the locals as well as tourists. It's one thing to give your review and move on but sheesh according to you there is only one good restaurant in the lakes region!!

My suggestion to you is to do more reading and less posting and leave the drama at the door.

Dan

twoplustwo · 09-11-2009, 11:50 AM

You, like any other forum member, are free to post your opinions. That's what we do here. When a person joins, puts out a barrage of posts that insult most every restaurant in the near vicinity while posting multiple times about their favorite new restaurant in so many threads it's like the movie "Groundhog Day", people are going to question their motives. It shouldn't take a visit from Captain Obvious to figure that out.

You're annoyed with the VK, the Shed, Sam and Rosie's, and The Corner House. You love The Bob House. You really love The Bob House. Did I mention you love The Bob House? Your posting pattern indicates an agenda. That's my opinion, which I am equally free to share.

Pontoon Goon · 09-11-2009, 11:52 AM

Has anyone ever seen Lovelytosee you and luvmypups in the same room at the same time ?

twoplustwo · 09-11-2009, 11:55 AM

Thanks, Pontoon Goon

Pineedles · 09-11-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pontoon Goon

Has anyone ever seen Lovelytosee you and luvmypups in the same room at the same time ?

They are both on right now. Good theory though.

Argie's Wife · 09-11-2009, 01:59 PM

I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way at all, but since you asked... (and I am the woman who will tell you when your slip is showing or your shoes don't match...)

Other than when there's just a misunderstanding - or someone had decided to get really offensive themselves - I've not seen the digital pig pile that you've encountered but you've said some pretty outrageous things on a board where some of the businesses/owners you were slamming are posters here as well. You have the right to your opinion but where do you draw the line before you hit the "overkill" level of things?

You posted the same thing over and over in your first posts - I think it was 9 of 11 posts - in one day, and then said some pretty wild things about some others. You make it sound as though you were attacked because of one post on one thread - that was hardly the case.

In case you haven't noticed, this board is sorta a big family in some ways - we love the same things, we share news, advise, and we have fun raising money each year together. We are a community. (Sometimes we put the "fun" in dysfunctional...)

We also get on war footing at times...

Generally speaking, newbies don't post on several threads the same info/opinion over and over and over. In my opinion, you're more than welcome here if you can play nice.

hazelnut · 09-11-2009, 02:39 PM

LTSY,

You need to understand that it was your approach that was your undoing. Perhaps it was innocent enough but in 90% of your posts you trash a particular restaurant and manage to slip in a comment praising your new favorite restaurant. Take a step back and re-read all of your posts. We "seasoned" members have read these types of posts for years and 99.9% of the time we are correct in assuming that the poster has an agenda. It is usually found out that the person is some how related to the restaurant. Your posts fit a pattern. We have seen this pattern several times. Every thread you post to has a negative comment about a particular restaurant and then you manage to gush over an untried rookie establishment. One that has had PR problems with this forum by the way.

Let's start over. LovelyToSeeYou it is lovely to see you on this forum. Welcome and I hope you stick around to read and enjoy the forum. I sincerely do. Perhaps you could avoid mentioning your favorite restaurant in every single thread and you might actually be taken seriously. By all means you can start a new thread praising this place over and over again. You might not want to trash the other restaurants in that thread though. Go to the threads discussing those restaurants and leave your constructive criticism. You'll find that many owners read those threads and reply to the concerns of the posters. Again avoid mentioning your new favorite restaurant over and over again and you might come off as sincere.

Besides comparing restaurants isn't really all that fair in some circumstances as they all offer something different. Who the heck would want only one restaurant to choose from.

This is all just a bit of friendly advice. Take it or leave it but I hope you stay and enjoy the forum. It's nice to see new faces with varying opinions.

One other thing. It was your comment doubting that there was actually a line to get into the VK that really struck me. I'm not sure where you are from or when you have gone but every time I go to the VK for B-Fast there is a line out the door.

RI Swamp Yankee · 09-11-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LovelyToSeeYou

... Has anyone else had this sort of experience?

From time to time it does happen. Some of us that have been here more than a few days or weeks become suspicious when a new person joins and their initial comments are centered on praising only one establishment and knocking all others in the same business.

I remember a clasic case quite some time ago where members thought a particulat establishment was not as good as it had been in past years and one (and only one) new member had great praise for that business. The webmaster here pointed out that ALL the posts from one member praising that establishment came from the IP address of the establishment.

I am sure regular visitors here can form an opinion based on all the posted facts and opinions and not just one or two members.

Rose · 09-11-2009, 12:45 PM

It happens on occasion with new people who post opinions in the restaurant forum. After a while, you can forecast when it will happen and who will make comments. Only you can decide if it's worth your time to put up with it. I know I've taken a break from the forum when the general attitude turns so negative that I feel I'm about to follow suit.

JDeere · 09-11-2009, 06:02 PM

Rose nailed the response! Good job!

LovelyToSeeYou · 09-11-2009, 07:25 PM

I have never been to VK for breakfast only lunch and mostly dinner. It used to have long lines out the door but this summer the times that I went (mostly in the middle of the week) there were no lines at all. I can assure that I go with neighbors and friends and we all noticed this. However, the food is good there and the swordfish has been delicious. I had had a problem with the chicken parm being a smaller portion and some other offering being smaller as well. However I simply asked if anyone else had any thoughts on this and was attacked. LOL Don't worry on me. I raised several teenagers. I can survive anything. I have tried to say that I enjoyed The North End and also have had lovely experiences at Canoe. I like Lemon Grass but I am a bit less able to afford expensive meals so guess that I am a bit frugal. I like the food at Lemon Grass though. I made some comments about a few bad experiences that I guess others did not want to know. Still when I said I was not going back to one that I mentioned, I was asked to at least say why I was not going back. (See the problem?) When I wrote why I was not going back, I was attacked. Still the lake is a lovely area that we all enjoy and has some lovely places to eat. I had my first banana split today on my way back from a trip to the dump. It was delicious!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again for writing. I don't know any owners at any restaurants. Most of my opinions were shared by others in my group at any given outing. I do not go out to eat alone. I have taken out meals from restaurants when I eat alone. I am also cost conscious and courtesy conscious. I like good value and simple politeness at restaurants. I also like consistency. I am a good solid soul and those who know me would vouch for my honesty. Don't worry. All is well. Have a lovely weekend and thanks for your input.

Merrymeeting · 09-11-2009, 08:15 PM

LovelyToSeeYou,

Like others who have posted, I'm happy to assume that your intentions are good and you are not here as a "troll".

But on behalf of many, can I ask you to work a little bit on the formatting of your posts? For example, separating your thoughts into paragraphs? Using some spacing to make your ideas more readable?

I'm not one of those who is a member of the grammar police. Anyone knows my posts are full of grammatical and spelling mistakes.
But, your posts and ideas are very difficult to comprehend when it's all jumbled together with no spacing or thought breaks.

Thanks...

Slickcraft · 09-12-2009, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

But on behalf of many, can I ask you to work a little bit on the formatting of your posts? For example, separating your thoughts into paragraphs? Using some spacing to make your ideas more readable?

Thanks MM, I did not even try to read those long jumbled paragraphs. I glanced at her 1st long post that started this off in another thread and then just moved on as I would have with any other similarly formatted post.

RPM · 09-12-2009, 08:03 AM

Everyone's wrong !!

LovelyToSeeYou · 09-12-2009, 08:08 AM

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. LOL I have not heard any serious post that offers any response to my comments. Should a restaurant be rude to a person who has come at 11:50 to eat when they close at 12:00???? Should a restaurant be out of lobsters before 7 PM when one has called in advance to ask if they have lobsters? Should a restaurant suggest that a bad tasting and bad looking COLD lobster tail be eaten as it was just next to some ice ? Did any of you just good folks here happen to notice that it was a poor shipment and they came to say they had stopped serving that special? None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine. I am here at a Lake that I love with friends and neighbors that I love and we are all having a great time. I do not think any of you try to be mean or disrespectful. It may just be that some like to try to see change and some like to make sure that things stay the same no matter what. Now to my walk.

Rattlesnake Guy · 09-13-2009, 09:03 PM

It's kind of like a movie critic. Some will like any given movie. Some will hate the same. The trick is being a fair judge who can present both good and bad to help the businesses improve and us to tell the difference between the ones worth going to. Just like movies, this is hardly an exact science and it can draw different viewpoints. Like the old expression, you are the expert at your opinion. A movie critic that likes 70 percent of the movies reviewed has a lot more credibility than one who hates 70 percent. Likewise, liking 95 percent is not much help either.

Alton Bay Bob · 09-13-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LovelyToSeeYou

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. LOL I have not heard any serious post that offers any response to my comments. Should a restaurant be rude to a person who has come at 11:50 to eat when they close at 12:00???? Should a restaurant be out of lobsters before 7 PM when one has called in advance to ask if they have lobsters? Should a restaurant suggest that a bad tasting and bad looking COLD lobster tail be eaten as it was just next to some ice ? Did any of you just good folks here happen to notice that it was a poor shipment and they came to say they had stopped serving that special? None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine. I am here at a Lake that I love with friends and neighbors that I love and we are all having a great time. I do not think any of you try to be mean or disrespectful. It may just be that some like to try to see change and some like to make sure that things stay the same no matter what. Now to my walk.

I hope you had a good walk. As you can see from my stats I have been a member for years but don't post very often. But your posts have confused the heck out of me. I have read many books and have never seen such run on paragraphs.... You then say you have not seen a response to a whole bunch of statements that are not on this thread! (I am guessing they are on other threads but not sure.)

I have found the members of this forum amazingly helpful...sometimes a bit forceful but always helpful. I would humbly suggest you follow the advice given on this thread and enjoy the entire experience.. hopefully as much as I do

Lakegeezer · 09-13-2009, 10:46 PM

Yes please! Use the "enter" key every now and then to put a blank line between your thoughts. I try to read what you post, but haven't made it through one yet.

ILoveWinnipesaukee · 09-14-2009, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LovelyToSeeYou

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. ... None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine.

LTSY, as far as format, you cannot compare what you have written with a paragraph in a book, first off, when I read books, and I am in college so I read very thick complicated books, the difference...The books do not repeat themselves in every paragraph about one subject as you do The Bob.

Second, perhaps you should read more posts rather than suggest that people do not say bad things about restaurants because there are many threads that say negative things about restaurants when necessary. BUT those posts will stay on topic regarding THAT RESTAURANT. Not always add something about another restaurant that has nothing to do with the thread.

This is why people are saying what they say. My final suggestion, READ BEFORE POSTING.

Rattlesnake Gal · 09-14-2009, 09:40 PM

LovelyToSeeYou is not Nadia. Many of you aren’t being fair to her and I think some of you might owe her an apology.

If she doesn’t care to take our advice about how to post in a more readable manner… don’t read her posts.

hazelnut · 09-14-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

LovelyToSeeYou is not Nadia. Many of you aren’t being fair to her and I think some of you might owe her an apology.

If she doesn’t care to take our advice about how to post in a more readable manner… don’t read her posts.

I have to say I think I agree with RSG. I went back and read Nadia posts and I don't see the connection. Nadia did actually separate thoughts with spaces. I'm hoping LTSY continues to post and just takes some friendly advice.

sa meredith · 09-15-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

I have to say I think I agree with RSG. I went back and read Nadia posts and I don't see the connection. Nadia did actually separate thoughts with spaces. I'm hoping LTSY continues to post and just takes some friendly advice.

Don't see the connections?! Are you serious?
Where do I start?
First, let me say this.
As long time members of this forum, I respect both you and Rattlesnake Gal's opinions. In fact, because of RG's posting style, which is always postive or informative, and never confrontational, I would indeed acquiesce to her in any matter ralated to this board in which she simply said "I know this to be true, and it is not an opinion. I have the facts". She would need not back up her writings with examples. Her statement would be enough. I believe she has eraned this measure of respect long ago.
That being said...
Why I STRONGLY believe LTSY is Nadia? First and foremost, understand that I am not alone in this thought.
The amount of PMs to me saying they had the exact same idea is now double digits. And, two of the PMs are from forum members that are certainly in the same league as RG.
One is from a member of this forum whose opinions are held is the highest of regard, and he simply stated "no question".
Also...
When Nadia was not is a battle, but responding to a post in a friendly way, she always started it with:
Hi Hazelnut
and then begin
LTSY does the same thing.

Nadia would start a thread, and respond to every single post in it.
LTSY does the same thing. And mind you, as a 67 year old retired grandmother, pounds away on that keyboard pretty good. Do her writings truly read like those of a 67 yr old grandmother? Really? I say, no!

Nadia would often sign on, and instantly respond to 6 or 7 threads right away. LTSY not only does the same, but, I ask, is this typical behavior of a new member? Especially that of a 67 yr old woman? I say no. Most start slowly, and very few jump in and do battle right away.

But the single biggest reason I believe they are one in the same, is the way she responds to opinions that don't line up with her's. Just long rambling posts telling you why your opinion is wrong.

When she worked at LP, she defended everything about them to a fault, and now, well, it would seen she is mostly likely working at The Bob House. Would this not make sense? She is no longer with LP, and Bob House, being a new place, would indeed be looking for experienced restaurant people. And she now defends them to a fault.

Other reasons as well, but enough is enough. If I am wrong I apologize. I certainly mean no harm.
But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

Rose · 09-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

Do you mean Ockham's Razor?

I'll give the most simple fact. We don't know for certain who it is. It may be her, it may not be. So why stir the pot?

upthesaukee · 09-15-2009, 11:10 AM

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something

.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

Rattlesnake Gal · 09-15-2009, 11:44 AM

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

Argie's Wife · 09-15-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

I just received a similar PM. I'm gong to give you the "just" of the note in my own words because I think it's bad form to copy and paste a PM.

LTSY stated she was unable to post (not sure if she was shut off or if there's another reason.) She did mention she had posted 3 posts in 24 hours but that when she contacted Don, she was told her messages were not being moderated. She asked if this seemed right. (Again - it could be a computer or browser issue - I would think that Don would tag her if he was shutting her off.)

At any rate, there is an invite to meet face-to-face. She states that some people will be red-faced because of their behavior, as she really is who she claims she is. She states she is not a troll or any of the other things she has been called.

Again - that's my "take" on her note to me.

No offense SA - or anyone else - but I don't subscribe to the theory you propose. I think there are similarities in the two posters' styles but they aren't the same, per se.

In my opinion, LTSY chose to go beyond having "an opinion" and went into overkill, hence my likening her behavior on this board to be like a troll. I frequent some other forums and have seen the damage they can do. Perhaps she did not intend to have that impact or to solicit the reaction she received when she "stepped on some toes". Again, just my opinion. I'll let you decide what you want and let her (and you) make amends or whatever to move on....

I stick to what I said earlier in this thread - play nice and you're more than welcome here.

Mee-n-Mac · 09-16-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose

Do you mean Ockham's Razor?

I'll give the most simple fact. We don't know for certain who it is. It may be her, it may not be. So why stir the pot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something

.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

My thoughts exactly. I know Peyton Place was based local events but really people .........

hazelnut · 09-15-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

Don't see the connections?! Are you serious?
Where do I start?
First, let me say this.
As long time members of this forum, I respect both you and Rattlesnake Gal's opinions. In fact, because of RG's posting style, which is always postive or informative, and never confrontational, I would indeed acquiesce to her in any matter ralated to this board in which she simply said "I know this to be true, and it is not an opinion. I have the facts". She would need not back up her writings with examples. Her statement would be enough. I believe she has eraned this measure of respect long ago.
That being said...
Why I STRONGLY believe LTSY is Nadia? First and foremost, understand that I am not alone in this thought.
The amount of PMs to me saying they had the exact same idea is now double digits. And, two of the PMs are from forum members that are certainly in the same league as RG.
One is from a member of this forum whose opinions are held is the highest of regard, and he simply stated "no question".
Also...
When Nadia was not is a battle, but responding to a post in a friendly way, she always started it with:
Hi Hazelnut
and then begin
LTSY does the same thing.

Nadia would start a thread, and respond to every single post in it.
LTSY does the same thing. And mind you, as a 67 year old retired grandmother, pounds away on that keyboard pretty good. Do her writings truly read like those of a 67 yr old grandmother? Really? I say, no!

Nadia would often sign on, and instantly respond to 6 or 7 threads right away. LTSY not only does the same, but, I ask, is this typical behavior of a new member? Especially that of a 67 yr old woman? I say no. Most start slowly, and very few jump in and do battle right away.

But the single biggest reason I believe they are one in the same, is the way she responds to opinions that don't line up with her's. Just long rambling posts telling you why your opinion is wrong.

When she worked at LP, she defended everything about them to a fault, and now, well, it would seen she is mostly likely working at The Bob House. Would this not make sense? She is no longer with LP, and Bob House, being a new place, would indeed be looking for experienced restaurant people. And she now defends them to a fault.

Other reasons as well, but enough is enough. If I am wrong I apologize. I certainly mean no harm.
But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

sa if I were on the jury I'd be leaning toward a conviction right now.

I think you may have inadvertently stumbled upon your new career.

09-11-2009, 11:11 AM	#1
LovelyToSeeYou Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 49 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Has anyone else noticed verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions? I joined the Winnipesaukee Forum only recently. I happened to be reading about restaurants and was interested in finding out about a new restaurant that I liked. I read some posts that sounded like junior high school. I then decided to post anyway. There are some restaurants that I feel have disappointed me this year and last and seem to be not as good a value as they had been. Other friends I know here at the lake agreed with me. There are other restaurants that seem to be great. One in particular seemed to have great food at great prices and great hours. I trired to talk about some of my opinions. I was told to give specifics if I had had a bad experience etc. I attempted to do that. Believe it or not, I was then accused of posting as a friend of the owner of the restaurant that I liked and having an agenda to pump that restaurant and put the others down. I am a grandmother of seven and mother of four and feel that this sort of drama is not worth my time. Has anyone else had this sort of experience?

09-11-2009, 11:29 AM	#2
gravy boat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford year round, West Alton summers Posts: 589 Thanks: 596 Thanked 199 Times in 100 Posts	Lovely Yes, I've noticed that happens from time to time. It seems to be common in an anonymous forum setting. Perhaps being able to hide behind a screen name provides some folks with the intestinal fortitude to say what they would not if their identity was known. Especially attacking others with opinions different from their own. Don't allow others' ignorance to prevent you from expressing your opinions. GB

09-11-2009, 11:42 AM	#3
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,167 Thanks: 2,361 Thanked 5,224 Times in 2,025 Posts	Give it a break Give it a break will you!! This forum and 99.9% of it's members are respectful people and don't thrive off drama like you seem to. In just a short number of posts you have unsuccessfully tried to run down the reputation of some fine local area restaurants that have established themselves with a great reputation with the locals as well as tourists. It's one thing to give your review and move on but sheesh according to you there is only one good restaurant in the lakes region!! My suggestion to you is to do more reading and less posting and leave the drama at the door. Dan

09-11-2009, 11:50 AM	#4
twoplustwo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 456 Thanks: 51 Thanked 39 Times in 21 Posts	opinions are like... well, you know You, like any other forum member, are free to post your opinions. That's what we do here. When a person joins, puts out a barrage of posts that insult most every restaurant in the near vicinity while posting multiple times about their favorite new restaurant in so many threads it's like the movie "Groundhog Day", people are going to question their motives. It shouldn't take a visit from Captain Obvious to figure that out. You're annoyed with the VK, the Shed, Sam and Rosie's, and The Corner House. You love The Bob House. You really love The Bob House. Did I mention you love The Bob House? Your posting pattern indicates an agenda. That's my opinion, which I am equally free to share. Last edited by twoplustwo; 09-11-2009 at 11:51 AM. Reason: spelling

09-11-2009, 11:52 AM	#5
Pontoon Goon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stoneham Ma./ Meredith Posts: 141 Thanks: 339 Thanked 67 Times in 27 Posts	Wow Has anyone ever seen Lovelytosee you and luvmypups in the same room at the same time ?

09-11-2009, 11:55 AM	#6
twoplustwo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 456 Thanks: 51 Thanked 39 Times in 21 Posts	I just snorted my iced coffee Thanks, Pontoon Goon

09-11-2009, 01:59 PM	#8
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	You get what you give... I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way at all, but since you asked... (and I am the woman who will tell you when your slip is showing or your shoes don't match...) Other than when there's just a misunderstanding - or someone had decided to get really offensive themselves - I've not seen the digital pig pile that you've encountered but you've said some pretty outrageous things on a board where some of the businesses/owners you were slamming are posters here as well. You have the right to your opinion but where do you draw the line before you hit the "overkill" level of things? You posted the same thing over and over in your first posts - I think it was 9 of 11 posts - in one day, and then said some pretty wild things about some others. You make it sound as though you were attacked because of one post on one thread - that was hardly the case. In case you haven't noticed, this board is sorta a big family in some ways - we love the same things, we share news, advise, and we have fun raising money each year together. We are a community. (Sometimes we put the "fun" in dysfunctional...) We also get on war footing at times... Generally speaking, newbies don't post on several threads the same info/opinion over and over and over. In my opinion, you're more than welcome here if you can play nice.

09-11-2009, 02:39 PM	#9
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	It's your approach LTSY, You need to understand that it was your approach that was your undoing. Perhaps it was innocent enough but in 90% of your posts you trash a particular restaurant and manage to slip in a comment praising your new favorite restaurant. Take a step back and re-read all of your posts. We "seasoned" members have read these types of posts for years and 99.9% of the time we are correct in assuming that the poster has an agenda. It is usually found out that the person is some how related to the restaurant. Your posts fit a pattern. We have seen this pattern several times. Every thread you post to has a negative comment about a particular restaurant and then you manage to gush over an untried rookie establishment. One that has had PR problems with this forum by the way. Let's start over. LovelyToSeeYou it is lovely to see you on this forum. Welcome and I hope you stick around to read and enjoy the forum. I sincerely do. Perhaps you could avoid mentioning your favorite restaurant in every single thread and you might actually be taken seriously. By all means you can start a new thread praising this place over and over again. You might not want to trash the other restaurants in that thread though. Go to the threads discussing those restaurants and leave your constructive criticism. You'll find that many owners read those threads and reply to the concerns of the posters. Again avoid mentioning your new favorite restaurant over and over again and you might come off as sincere. Besides comparing restaurants isn't really all that fair in some circumstances as they all offer something different. Who the heck would want only one restaurant to choose from. This is all just a bit of friendly advice. Take it or leave it but I hope you stay and enjoy the forum. It's nice to see new faces with varying opinions. One other thing. It was your comment doubting that there was actually a line to get into the VK that really struck me. I'm not sure where you are from or when you have gone but every time I go to the VK for B-Fast there is a line out the door.

09-11-2009, 12:45 PM	#11
Rose Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 498 Thanks: 62 Thanked 71 Times in 32 Posts	It happens on occasion with new people who post opinions in the restaurant forum. After a while, you can forecast when it will happen and who will make comments. Only you can decide if it's worth your time to put up with it. I know I've taken a break from the forum when the general attitude turns so negative that I feel I'm about to follow suit.

09-11-2009, 06:02 PM	#12
JDeere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 295 Thanks: 74 Thanked 52 Times in 25 Posts	Rose nailed the response! Good job!

09-11-2009, 07:25 PM	#13
LovelyToSeeYou Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 49 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Hazelnut but........... I have never been to VK for breakfast only lunch and mostly dinner. It used to have long lines out the door but this summer the times that I went (mostly in the middle of the week) there were no lines at all. I can assure that I go with neighbors and friends and we all noticed this. However, the food is good there and the swordfish has been delicious. I had had a problem with the chicken parm being a smaller portion and some other offering being smaller as well. However I simply asked if anyone else had any thoughts on this and was attacked. LOL Don't worry on me. I raised several teenagers. I can survive anything. I have tried to say that I enjoyed The North End and also have had lovely experiences at Canoe. I like Lemon Grass but I am a bit less able to afford expensive meals so guess that I am a bit frugal. I like the food at Lemon Grass though. I made some comments about a few bad experiences that I guess others did not want to know. Still when I said I was not going back to one that I mentioned, I was asked to at least say why I was not going back. (See the problem?) When I wrote why I was not going back, I was attacked. Still the lake is a lovely area that we all enjoy and has some lovely places to eat. I had my first banana split today on my way back from a trip to the dump. It was delicious!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again for writing. I don't know any owners at any restaurants. Most of my opinions were shared by others in my group at any given outing. I do not go out to eat alone. I have taken out meals from restaurants when I eat alone. I am also cost conscious and courtesy conscious. I like good value and simple politeness at restaurants. I also like consistency. I am a good solid soul and those who know me would vouch for my honesty. Don't worry. All is well. Have a lovely weekend and thanks for your input.

09-11-2009, 08:15 PM	#14
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 799 Times in 368 Posts	LovelyToSeeYou, Like others who have posted, I'm happy to assume that your intentions are good and you are not here as a "troll". But on behalf of many, can I ask you to work a little bit on the formatting of your posts? For example, separating your thoughts into paragraphs? Using some spacing to make your ideas more readable? I'm not one of those who is a member of the grammar police. Anyone knows my posts are full of grammatical and spelling mistakes. But, your posts and ideas are very difficult to comprehend when it's all jumbled together with no spacing or thought breaks. Thanks...

09-12-2009, 08:03 AM	#16
RPM Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Westford Posts: 27 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	The .1% Everyone's wrong !!

09-12-2009, 08:08 AM	#17
LovelyToSeeYou Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 49 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	How does one answer an individual post? Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. LOL I have not heard any serious post that offers any response to my comments. Should a restaurant be rude to a person who has come at 11:50 to eat when they close at 12:00???? Should a restaurant be out of lobsters before 7 PM when one has called in advance to ask if they have lobsters? Should a restaurant suggest that a bad tasting and bad looking COLD lobster tail be eaten as it was just next to some ice ? Did any of you just good folks here happen to notice that it was a poor shipment and they came to say they had stopped serving that special? None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine. I am here at a Lake that I love with friends and neighbors that I love and we are all having a great time. I do not think any of you try to be mean or disrespectful. It may just be that some like to try to see change and some like to make sure that things stay the same no matter what. Now to my walk.

09-13-2009, 09:03 PM	#18
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	Lakes Region Restaurant Reviews It's kind of like a movie critic. Some will like any given movie. Some will hate the same. The trick is being a fair judge who can present both good and bad to help the businesses improve and us to tell the difference between the ones worth going to. Just like movies, this is hardly an exact science and it can draw different viewpoints. Like the old expression, you are the expert at your opinion. A movie critic that likes 70 percent of the movies reviewed has a lot more credibility than one who hates 70 percent. Likewise, liking 95 percent is not much help either.

09-13-2009, 10:46 PM	#20
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,674 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 352 Thanked 636 Times in 288 Posts	Yes please! Use the "enter" key every now and then to put a blank line between your thoughts. I try to read what you post, but haven't made it through one yet. __________________ -lg

09-14-2009, 09:40 PM	#22
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	Lovely is Not Nadia! LovelyToSeeYou is not Nadia. Many of you aren’t being fair to her and I think some of you might owe her an apology. If she doesn’t care to take our advice about how to post in a more readable manner… don’t read her posts.

09-15-2009, 11:10 AM	#26
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,447 Thanked 1,977 Times in 1,078 Posts	I agree, Rose When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list. In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something. Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads. One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-15-2009, 11:44 AM	#27
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	A Questionable Forum Member sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum. If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt. I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her. As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?