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twoplustwo · 08-25-2009, 11:38 AM

...when they set up sting operations. Their subjects have to be average height and weight, no facial hair, no hats, and are supposed to appear so that a 'reasonable' person would card them. The M'Boro PD, when running their own stings without the liquor commission, has no requirement to adhere to these standards, and have gone out of their way not to adhere to them on occasion, IMO.

I don't mind the state testing us. I do mind the PD tricking us. The difference is enormous.

I hope our new chief comes from out of town. WAY out of town. And I hope they appreciate the enormous PD we have for a town this size, and try to use it more positively than hassling local businesses, referring to African American MA students in derogatory terms, or pulling over school busses in the middle of the winter, complete with lights and sirens, because 6th grade boys acting like 6th grade boys made some rude hand signals to the officer's wife out the back window of the bus. Some of our officers have displayed some ridiculous, unprofessional, and often egomaniacal behavior on our dime. It needs to stop. As cop jobs go, this one is cake. Someone needs to remind every one of them of that fact. My buddy is NYPD Precinct One, I think he could tell them what he went through on 9/11 and offer a little perspective they could certainly use.

sa meredith · 08-25-2009, 11:59 AM

In my hometown, there are many bars/restaurants on "the strip". Maybe 12/15 in all.
They have a pretty good system set up to notify each other by phone as soon as one bar/bartender suspects something.
I've seen it work quite well.

BroadHopper · 08-25-2009, 12:09 PM

Like Boston, NYC etc. They still pay cops to tip them off.

One of my neighbor's makes big bucks doing this and has a place on the lake and a big toy on the lake. One day, he is going to get caught..........

angela4design · 08-25-2009, 04:40 PM

If you get carded (even if it really is just a flirtatious gesture), and you cannot provide ID, they CANNOT serve you. I've had that blow up in my face a couple of times, as a server in the past.

And, yes, at the State Liquor Stores, your entire party can be carded. And, same goes in that instance. If ALL MEMBERS OF YOUR PARTY cannot provide ID, they cannot sell to you.

Some servers can be over the top, I agree. But, you know, the fines are big, and it's not worth it to the server/seller to take it easy on us. I'm always flattered to provide ID, and I always do have it with me! They want you buy drinks, too ~ that's how they get paid. Legally, that's all.

Argie's Wife · 08-25-2009, 04:55 PM

When a liquor store clerk or bartender card you they aren't just making sure you have ID or that you're of age but they are protecting themselves from legal ramifications if you should crash up your car later that night because you didn't show self-control or their business from being fined, like SAMIAM's was fined, or other negative legal outcomes.

I used to bartend at a service bar and more than once watched an older guy or gal come up and order a couple of drinks to take back to the table only to observe one of the drinks going to someone who I KNEW was under 21 years old. At that point, it is my responsibility to blow the whistle on that offense.

Personally (and I'm probably going to take a hit for this but... oh well...) , I'd like to see the age come down to 18 years old and a big increase on the fines. If you're old enough to die for your country, then you should be old enough to have a drink.

wifi · 08-25-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by twoplustwo

.....I don't mind the state testing us. I do mind the PD tricking us. The difference is enormous.

I hope our new chief comes from out of town. WAY out of town. And I hope they appreciate the enormous PD we have for a town this size, and try to use it more positively than hassling local businesses.....

I agree with what you are saying, but I disagree with your conclusion. 30 years ago, each officer came from M'boro or from a nearby town. They knew every family in town and everyone knew them, personally. If something happened in town, they knew who did it, from knowing people. Todays MPD consists of two 'townies' and the rest are from out of the area, most from distant states. They think of people as entities to give tickets to, they have no idea of who lives where or anything personal or anything about the families in town.

Years ago, when I was called out to the xyz residence, I knew the family, its problems (if any), where they lived, the layout of the road, I didn't need any address.... Today, without having your precious 911 address or coordinates from your cell phone, none of them can find you. Case in point, I called for a tree down on Red Hill Rd a few years back, where the pavement turns to dirt. They dispatched an officer who was not a local, and couldn't find it... demanded a 911 address... come on, they are supposed to be driving around the town all day long (the tree was across the road). Wait, the pavement to dirt doesn't show up on radar!!! (J/K... LOL).

I'm NOT anti police, quite the opposite, I'm just rather passionate on how much this town has deteriorated from what it once was and how much better it could be. Thanks for reading to the end

tis · 08-25-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wifi

I agree with what you are saying, but I disagree with your conclusion. 30 years ago, each officer came from M'boro or from a nearby town. They knew every family in town and everyone knew them, personally. If something happened in town, they knew who did it, from knowing people. Todays MPD consists of two 'townies' and the rest are from out of the area, most from distant states. They think of people as entities to give tickets to, they have no idea of who lives where or anything personal or anything about the families in town.

Years ago, when I was called out to the xyz residence, I knew the family, its problems (if any), where they lived, the layout of the road, I didn't need any address.... Today, without having your precious 911 address or coordinates from your cell phone, none of them can find you. Case in point, I called for a tree down on Red Hill Rd a few years back, where the pavement turns to dirt. They dispatched an officer who was not a local, and couldn't find it... demanded a 911 address... come on, they are supposed to be driving around the town all day long (the tree was across the road). Wait, the pavement to dirt doesn't show up on radar!!! (J/K... LOL).

I'm NOT anti police, quite the opposite, I'm just rather passionate on how much this town has deteriorated from what it once was and how much better it could be. Thanks for reading to the end

It is very true, when people know each other things are worked out much better. Ah for the old days.

08-25-2009, 11:38 AM	#1
twoplustwo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 456 Thanks: 51 Thanked 39 Times in 21 Posts	at least the state has some rules and regs... ...when they set up sting operations. Their subjects have to be average height and weight, no facial hair, no hats, and are supposed to appear so that a 'reasonable' person would card them. The M'Boro PD, when running their own stings without the liquor commission, has no requirement to adhere to these standards, and have gone out of their way not to adhere to them on occasion, IMO. I don't mind the state testing us. I do mind the PD tricking us. The difference is enormous. I hope our new chief comes from out of town. WAY out of town. And I hope they appreciate the enormous PD we have for a town this size, and try to use it more positively than hassling local businesses, referring to African American MA students in derogatory terms, or pulling over school busses in the middle of the winter, complete with lights and sirens, because 6th grade boys acting like 6th grade boys made some rude hand signals to the officer's wife out the back window of the bus. Some of our officers have displayed some ridiculous, unprofessional, and often egomaniacal behavior on our dime. It needs to stop. As cop jobs go, this one is cake. Someone needs to remind every one of them of that fact. My buddy is NYPD Precinct One, I think he could tell them what he went through on 9/11 and offer a little perspective they could certainly use.

08-25-2009, 11:59 AM	#2
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	sting In my hometown, there are many bars/restaurants on "the strip". Maybe 12/15 in all. They have a pretty good system set up to notify each other by phone as soon as one bar/bartender suspects something. I've seen it work quite well.

08-25-2009, 12:09 PM	#3
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,669 Thanks: 3,285 Thanked 1,132 Times in 814 Posts	In the big cities Like Boston, NYC etc. They still pay cops to tip them off. One of my neighbor's makes big bucks doing this and has a place on the lake and a big toy on the lake. One day, he is going to get caught.......... __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

08-25-2009, 04:40 PM	#4
angela4design Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Meredith Posts: 353 Thanks: 45 Thanked 54 Times in 38 Posts	Another thing... If you get carded (even if it really is just a flirtatious gesture), and you cannot provide ID, they CANNOT serve you. I've had that blow up in my face a couple of times, as a server in the past. And, yes, at the State Liquor Stores, your entire party can be carded. And, same goes in that instance. If ALL MEMBERS OF YOUR PARTY cannot provide ID, they cannot sell to you. Some servers can be over the top, I agree. But, you know, the fines are big, and it's not worth it to the server/seller to take it easy on us. I'm always flattered to provide ID, and I always do have it with me! They want you buy drinks, too ~ that's how they get paid. Legally, that's all.

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08-25-2009, 04:55 PM	#5
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	When a liquor store clerk or bartender card you they aren't just making sure you have ID or that you're of age but they are protecting themselves from legal ramifications if you should crash up your car later that night because you didn't show self-control or their business from being fined, like SAMIAM's was fined, or other negative legal outcomes. I used to bartend at a service bar and more than once watched an older guy or gal come up and order a couple of drinks to take back to the table only to observe one of the drinks going to someone who I KNEW was under 21 years old. At that point, it is my responsibility to blow the whistle on that offense. Personally (and I'm probably going to take a hit for this but... oh well...) , I'd like to see the age come down to 18 years old and a big increase on the fines. If you're old enough to die for your country, then you should be old enough to have a drink.