Has anyone else noticed verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions?

[upthesaukee]

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

[Argie's Wife]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

I just received a similar PM. I'm gong to give you the "just" of the note in my own words because I think it's bad form to copy and paste a PM.

LTSY stated she was unable to post (not sure if she was shut off or if there's another reason.) She did mention she had posted 3 posts in 24 hours but that when she contacted Don, she was told her messages were not being moderated. She asked if this seemed right. (Again - it could be a computer or browser issue - I would think that Don would tag her if he was shutting her off.)

At any rate, there is an invite to meet face-to-face. She states that some people will be red-faced because of their behavior, as she really is who she claims she is. She states she is not a troll or any of the other things she has been called.

Again - that's my "take" on her note to me.

No offense SA - or anyone else - but I don't subscribe to the theory you propose. I think there are similarities in the two posters' styles but they aren't the same, per se.

In my opinion, LTSY chose to go beyond having "an opinion" and went into overkill, hence my likening her behavior on this board to be like a troll. I frequent some other forums and have seen the damage they can do. Perhaps she did not intend to have that impact or to solicit the reaction she received when she "stepped on some toes". Again, just my opinion. I'll let you decide what you want and let her (and you) make amends or whatever to move on....

I stick to what I said earlier in this thread - play nice and you're more than welcome here.

[Argie's Wife]

I attempted to respond to LTSY's email (I had accidentally called it a PM in my earlier post - it is an email) but found she had turned that function off. I see she is logged in right now, so maybe she is reading this thread...


LTSY - I cannot respond to your note unless you turn your PM function back on.



Edited to add this: LTSY - please contact the webmaster for assistance. I cannot help you with your problem - none of us can turn off/on other poster's PM function. I'm sure he will be able to assist you. Thank you.

[sa meredith]

I guess with this post I can be accused of beating a dead horse, but, one more, if I may.
Very simply...re-read some of the posts, and ask yourself one, and only one, question.
Do these writings seem to be that of a 67 year old woman, who is indeed new to the forum, and knows nobody? Just think about that.
And, I would very much like an explanation to her use of the word "we" at the end of post #49 in the VK/Country Cookin' thread. It should very clear to any English speaking person that "we" was a slip on her part, and in the context it was used, can only be referring to "we" as in a group of restaurant owners or employees. No grey area.

Some of you may ask why I am beating this drum. What difference does it make?
I will simply tell you that if any of you ever read the PM's I received from Nadia and someone who identified themselves as Nadia's husband, over the past year, you would understand. I will take every opportunity to call her out that I can. She is a person with some huge issues, that need to worked on. And RG, no, I don't believe a second chance is in order.
Don has read some of the PM's and I am quite sure he agrees.
If LTSY is somehow, someway, who she says she is, I am sorry, and so very embarrassed.
But, I believe, when I have dinner at The Bob House in the next day or so, and carefully ask if there is an employee there by the name of Nadia, the aswer will be yes.

[ILoveWinnipesaukee]

When I post comments on LTSY, I am mainly commenting on how she writes and the fact that no matter the subject, she sticks The Bob House into the subject. Then you have the strange comment about the Patriots in the middle of a non-Patriot's thread.

Anyway, most 67 year old grandmothers take advice when long time posters give it. Also, if she is new, I am confused as to how she is a "member" and not a "junior member"?

Again, she seems to think we are unable to read paragraphs, as she clearly stated, but if the paragraph was written with one idea and then a new paragraph was made for the next, we would be less harsh, or at least I would be.

I really enjoy reading these threads as I am not able to get to the lake as often as I want especially now that I am unemployed, and I do not want to have to ignor anyone, but LTSY makes it really difficult.

[Bluebell]

Originally Posted by ILoveWinnipesaukee

Also, if she is new, I am confused as to how she is a "member" and not a "junior member"?

It appears that your status as a junior member or member is determined by the number of posts you have. I was a junior member until I posted number 20 (?) and then I became a member. Lovely posted over 30 times in just a couple of days. Maybe she likes to travel in the express lane.

[Argie's Wife]

SA - Again, no offense intended and I respectfully disagree but understand your point of view.


LTSY - Please stop emailing me. You've tagged me 5 times now. I will not respond with you other than via PM. No, I do not want to email you back, thank you, anyways. Again, please contact the webmaster for help. No one can shut you off and this is hardly Nazi Germany - give me a break already. Enough!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I will simply tell you that if any of you ever read the PM's I received from Nadia and someone who identified themselves as Nadia's husband, over the past year, you would understand. I will take every opportunity to call her out that I can. She is a person with some huge issues, that need to worked on. And RG, no, I don't believe a second chance is in order.
Don has read some of the PM's and I am quite sure he agrees.
If LTSY is somehow, someway, who she says she is, I am sorry, and so very embarrassed.
But, I believe, when I have dinner at The Bob House in the next day or so, and carefully ask if there is an employee there by the name of Nadia, the answer will be yes.

Now I completely understand your position sa meredith. I'm very sorry you were a target.

By the way, her restaurant was called Nadia's - her real name is Carol. Keep us posted and good luck.

I agree with Argie's Wife, I will not respond to e-mails from LovelyToSeeYou. Sorry.

[VtSteve]

I thought this was about the Nadia B that used to work at the LP? Gosh I might follow everyone else to the bar now, I'm not good at abreviated riddles

[Rose]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I guess with this post I can be accused of beating a dead horse, but, one more, if I may.

So go meet this person at The Bob House and if it turns out to be Nadia, you can declare kanly and have it out with her. But can you please leave the rest of us out of it?

[sa meredith]

Rose...you are right to write what you did.

LTSY...I am the one who called you out...the only one.
PM me, and leave these others members alone.
Curious, why you sent them messages defending yourself when I am the one who started this.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Rose

So go meet this person at The Bob House and if it turns out to be Nadia, you can declare kanly and have it out with her. But can you please leave the rest of us out of it?

I don't think sa meredith wants to "have it out with her" as you say Rose. I believe he intends to go to "The Bob House" and confirm what he has suspected by talking to the bartender. He is an honorable man and he is willing to back up what he has said, and if he is wrong, apologize. He has stated this already.

As far as leaving you out of it, I would suggest that if you want to be left out of it, then don't criticize sa meredith, and stay out of it by ignoring his posts as some of the most respected members have said one should do. If you don't like the contents of what the member has said, then turn on the Ignore buttton.

When you said "please leave the rest of us out of it", were you speaking for me? Please don't speak for me. I enjoy coherent free speech! You may want to rethink your comment where you try to deny sa meredith's right to the First Amendment. He certainly has not tried to deny yours, or anyone else's.

Now back to our our topic.
No, I haven't noticed more verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions? Just the same people defending the wrong ones, and others who evolve into another name.
Good night Gracie. What is Kanly?

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

I don't think sa meredith wants to "have it out with her" as you say Rose. I believe he intends to go to "The Bob House" and confirm what he has suspected by talking to the bartender. He is an honorable man and he is willing to back up what he has said, and if he is wrong, apologize. He has stated this already.

Obviously by his response to my post he's an honorable man. But he could have confirmed his suspicions first and if Nadia's working there, come on and told us.

Originally Posted by Pineedles

As far as leaving you out of it, I would suggest that if you want to be left out of it, then don't criticize sa meredith, and stay out of it by ignoring his posts as some of the most respected members have said one should do. If you don't like the contents of what the member has said, then turn on the Ignore buttton.

The ignore button only works if I then ignore all the people who respond to the people I'm ignoring. It also seems like there's a select few who are allowed to criticize other posters...guess I'm not one of them...must not be one of those respected members either. Darn.

Originally Posted by Pineedles

When you said "please leave the rest of us out of it", were you speaking for me? Please don't speak for me. I enjoy coherent free speech! You may want to rethink your comment where you try to deny sa meredith's right to the First Amendment. He certainly has not tried to deny yours, or anyone else's.

Since I'm not the U.S. government, I can't deny anyone their right to free speech. I prefer civil free speech, and it had turned away from that. But once again it seems like you believe it's okay for certain members to deny others their right to free speech.

Originally Posted by Pineedles

No, I haven't noticed more verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions?

Some could say you were just guilty of this.

Originally Posted by Pineedles

Just the same people defending the wrong ones, and others who evolve into another name.

So who gets to determine who the wrong ones are? And there goes my idea of posting under the name "Violet."

Originally Posted by Pineedles

Good night Gracie.

Goodbye

Originally Posted by Pineedles

What is Kanly?

Google it.

[sa meredith]

I believe it is an act of war.

And, Pineedles is correct. It is certainly not what I am looking for.
Would never even want to speak to her. Just confirm that she works there. If she did, it would explain a lot...bashing the VK, while pumping up Bob House, and discredit her posts.
As time goes by, and I am forwarded many many PM's she has sent out to other memebers, there is simply no question our new LTSY is indeed who I thought.

Sox are only out 5 in the loss column. Maybe???

[Pineedles]

I believe that sa has stated his reasons for wanting to OUT this person, vicious and threatening PMs to him, and he has obviously found some who feel the same way.

The ignore button only works if I then ignore all the people who respond to the people I'm ignoring. Huh?


You say that you are not the US Govt. I'm sorry you don't have to be the US Govt. to deny someone their right to free speech. But thank God you are not anyway. Perhaps I should have said that Don has the right to exclude any posters comments. But since he hasn't excluded sa's comments I guess he has no problem.

As to some saying I am guilty of verbal attacks. Who could say/ You? Are you going back to the Waldo Pepper thread, nearly two years ago? TPG and I are on good terms and have been for over a year now. I do remember you seemed to follow me around a bit and have a comment on what ever I wrote after that.

As far as kanly. "A term meaning regulated feud in the fictional world of Dune" OK, that explains alot.


Seriously though, I don't think you and I can agree on much. So if you want to multiquote me again, be my guest. I don't intend to argue with you further. You continue to support LTSY and I'll stick with what sa meredith believes.

[Merrymeeting]

Don, the same points are being repeated and the comments are getting personal.

Suggest it's time for all to take a time-out and lock this topic....

[Rose]

If sa was looking to out the person because of PMs he'd received, then that's a personal grudge going on and in my opinion it doesn't belong on the forum. I'm allowed to voice that opinion...unless you're trying to deny my right to free speech.

My reason for multi-quoting you was to prove that the ignore button doesn't always work. If someone had ignored you, but I multi-quoted you and they weren't ignoring me, then they're going to see what they were trying to ignore.

Don hasn't banned me, so I guess he has no problem with me either. However, he does have some rules. One of them is:

"If you don't agree with something expressed on the Forum respond with your opinion, don't get personal! Your comments and opinions are welcome, personal attacks, insults or flames are not."

I consider "Rose shows her color" and "I'm sorry you don't have to be the US Govt. to deny someone their right to free speech. But thank God you are not anyway" to be personal attacks. And that's why I said you were just guilty of it...as in you did it recently. I was not going back two years ago...my memory ain't that good.

[sa meredith]

Guys come on, enough.
This was never my intent.
Rose, I said I understood your point. And, truth be told, I thought Pineedles put into words, very nicely, what my true thoughts were.
Now, let's not make fools of ourselves. (I tend to be good at that).

Rose, I would say one thing though. Your "right to free speech" has nothing to do with this board. It is owned by Don, and can do whatever he darn well pleases with it. It is his playground, and noone elses. Your "right to free speech" entitles you to start your own web site/ newspaper/ radio show. And that's about it.
We should all always remember that.

[jeffk]

This thread is a turkey and it's overdone. I see no redeeming value to the forum. Even people who have tried to rise above it are being pulled into the sewer. Don, I hope you see fit to pull the plug.

[mcdude]

jeffk: I couldn't agree with you more - McD

[hazmatmedic]

I don't get it. If you don't like this thread.....don't read it.

[Pineedles]

As I said I won't argue. Peace Rose?

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Rose, I would say one thing though. Your "right to free speech" has nothing to do with this board. It is owned by Don, and can do whatever he darn well pleases with it. It is his playground, and noone elses. Your "right to free speech" entitles you to start your own web site/ newspaper/ radio show. And that's about it.
We should all always remember that.

This thread from last year may be helpful regarding the "free speech" issue.

I would really like to wrap this up and return to Lakes Region issues and comments. The Restaurant area has been seriously derailed by all this and it would be nice to return it to the reviews and helpful comments that I hoped it would provide.

I will close this thread at the end of today.

[Skip]

Thank you Don,

It has been very discouraging to see good folks poking at each other here.

There is no doubt in my mind as to the identity of the this thread's originator and that individual, now under a different name, has once again managed to disrupt the forum and no doubt give you an additional grey hair or two!

There will always be trolls, especially on a website as broadly viewed and commented on as this great site. Hopefully all of us can learn from this experience and not fall victim once again to this particularly troubled individual.

There Don, I feel better....

[ITD]

We need the thanks button in here, Thanks Don.

[ILoveWinnipesaukee]

Originally Posted by Rose

So go meet this person at The Bob House and if it turns out to be Nadia, you can declare kanly and have it out with her. But can you please leave the rest of us out of it?

Enough about this, but when people start thinking that they are speaking for "the rest of us" Please Rose, do not include me in that. I speak for myself, I agree with the rest of them, when one person continues to go on and on about one place, adds that location into every single post she makes, then if it quacks like a duck.

[gtagrip]

I think I'm on board with SA. Just to many similarities in posts between LTSY and the previous Nadia. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Rose

Do you mean Ockham's Razor?

I'll give the most simple fact. We don't know for certain who it is. It may be her, it may not be. So why stir the pot?

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

My thoughts exactly. I know Peyton Place was based local events but really people .........