Laconia Daily Sun Letter

gtagrip · 10-01-2009, 12:21 PM

I've got to wonder if these letters submitted by Jack Weeks is also the same infamous "Fat Jack" from the prior speed limit debates back in 06' & 07'? and what possible screen name is he going by now???

Kracken · 10-01-2009, 12:47 PM

Mr. Chase / Mr. Favre

I have to admire your resiliency. We all understand your position on the speed limit. You wrote your editorials and you have a right to do that. Some speed limit opponents wrote their editorials and they had the right to as well.

I actually think you believe every word you have written. It’s not a lie if one believes its truth. Please give those who oppose you the same consideration.

OCDACTIVE · 10-01-2009, 02:06 PM

Kracken, Take everyone else's advice and don't bother engaging.. Nothing can come out of it.... No need getting down to that level.

Farve fades back to pass... pressure and is sacked...........

Kracken · 10-01-2009, 03:40 PM

You are correct OCDACTIVE, I have detracted the question to elchase.

DoTheMath · 10-01-2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Kracken, Take everyone else's advice and don't bother engaging.. Nothing can come out of it.... No need getting down to that level.

Farve fades back to pass... pressure and is sacked...........

Bingo! Don't feed the trolls...

hazelnut · 10-02-2009, 03:10 PM

GREAT JOB GILLIGAN!!!

You hit the nail so hard on the head it 'aint even funny!

I couldn't have said it better.

Sandy Beach · 10-04-2009, 10:43 AM

Gilligan,

What are you doing? Pointing out the fallacies of speed limit proponents might ruin their credibility. The general non-boating public might recognize that these pro speed limit arguments are designed to illicit fear and portray the lake as a scary and unsafe place. They make it sound like it was only fit for dare-devils and did not have a nice family friendly atmosphere. They want the public to believe that the 45-25 mph speed limit has made the lake safe and civil as if it was not like that before the 2 year speed limit experiment.

If you and some of the other irrational thinkers (as some call opponents of the 25 - 45 limit) keep questioning their illogical premises it might sink in to those who are unfamiliar with boating just what kind of scare tactics the pro speed limit crowd is using to elicit their support and appeal to their sensibilities.

Why do you want to ruin their pro-speed limit fantasies? They will out talk you and keep making the same false allegations of a wild lake over and over again until the public gives up and accepts their rhetoric without regard to reality and the truth.

I didn't know the lake was unsafe and uncivil until I started reading what the pro-speed limit minority had to say

. And to think I exposed my wife and children to this lake and enjoyed it without absolute speed limits all these years.

disclaimer: I have no connection with the boating or tourist industry and I do not have a boat capable of speeds over 40 mph and I DO NOT support the 45 - 25 mph speed limit.

P.S. Thanks Gilligan

VtSteve · 10-04-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Beach

I didn't know the lake was unsafe and uncivil until I started reading what the pro-speed limit minority had to say

. And to think I exposed my wife and children to this lake and enjoyed it without absolute speed limits all these years.

disclaimer: I have no connection with the boating or tourist industry and I do not have a boat capable of speeds over 40 mph and I DO NOT support the 45 - 25 mph speed limit.

P.S. Thanks Gilligan

Amazing what one accident caused by an intoxicated boater can do isn't it? A televised debate would be a very, very welcome situation. Once you got past the lies and innuendo, what would be left is crickets chirping.

Some of us tried in earnest to have real discussions, not debates, about safety. The SL supporters wanted nothing to do with any of that. For many life long boaters, safety and enjoyment is what it's all about. The SL supporters have shown they are only interested in their own interests. We have APS, that once said it was great to have motorists blocking the left lane on highways in what he called "rolling roadblocks" or some such thing.

I understand extreme noise and chaos is not popular, I don't like it either and would stop it. Try to engage in rational discussion with these folks and it becomes readily apparent that they don't share your thoughts at all. They want one or more groups of boaters off the lake, pretty much Period.

VtSteve · 10-01-2009, 02:07 PM

Questions remain.

And will remain unasked

El, I can only direct you to this thread I started, and pretty much spoke my peace. Feel free to contribute.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=8617

10-01-2009, 12:21 PM	#1
gtagrip Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 301 Thanks: 115 Thanked 75 Times in 52 Posts	Fat Jack??? I've got to wonder if these letters submitted by Jack Weeks is also the same infamous "Fat Jack" from the prior speed limit debates back in 06' & 07'? and what possible screen name is he going by now???

10-01-2009, 12:47 PM	#2
Kracken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Alton Posts: 223 Thanks: 46 Thanked 130 Times in 50 Posts	Farve Mr. Chase / Mr. Favre I have to admire your resiliency. We all understand your position on the speed limit. You wrote your editorials and you have a right to do that. Some speed limit opponents wrote their editorials and they had the right to as well. I actually think you believe every word you have written. It’s not a lie if one believes its truth. Please give those who oppose you the same consideration. Last edited by Kracken; 10-01-2009 at 03:39 PM. Reason: Deleted question to elchase

10-01-2009, 02:06 PM	#3
OCDACTIVE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fort Myers FL / Moultonboro Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 444 Thanked 574 Times in 178 Posts	Kracken, Take everyone else's advice and don't bother engaging.. Nothing can come out of it.... No need getting down to that level. Farve fades back to pass... pressure and is sacked........... __________________ Have you had your Vessel Inspected Yet? Last edited by OCDACTIVE; 10-01-2009 at 03:57 PM.

10-01-2009, 03:40 PM	#4
Kracken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Alton Posts: 223 Thanks: 46 Thanked 130 Times in 50 Posts	You are correct OCDACTIVE, I have detracted the question to elchase. Last edited by Kracken; 10-01-2009 at 04:25 PM.

10-02-2009, 03:10 PM	#6
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	Gilligan! GREAT JOB GILLIGAN!!! You hit the nail so hard on the head it 'aint even funny! I couldn't have said it better.

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10-04-2009, 10:43 AM	#7
Sandy Beach Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 71 Thanks: 9 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Gilligan, why ruin good propaganda? Gilligan, What are you doing? Pointing out the fallacies of speed limit proponents might ruin their credibility. The general non-boating public might recognize that these pro speed limit arguments are designed to illicit fear and portray the lake as a scary and unsafe place. They make it sound like it was only fit for dare-devils and did not have a nice family friendly atmosphere. They want the public to believe that the 45-25 mph speed limit has made the lake safe and civil as if it was not like that before the 2 year speed limit experiment. If you and some of the other irrational thinkers (as some call opponents of the 25 - 45 limit) keep questioning their illogical premises it might sink in to those who are unfamiliar with boating just what kind of scare tactics the pro speed limit crowd is using to elicit their support and appeal to their sensibilities. Why do you want to ruin their pro-speed limit fantasies? They will out talk you and keep making the same false allegations of a wild lake over and over again until the public gives up and accepts their rhetoric without regard to reality and the truth. I didn't know the lake was unsafe and uncivil until I started reading what the pro-speed limit minority had to say . And to think I exposed my wife and children to this lake and enjoyed it without absolute speed limits all these years. disclaimer: I have no connection with the boating or tourist industry and I do not have a boat capable of speeds over 40 mph and I *DO NOT support the 45 - 25 mph speed limit.* P.S. Thanks Gilligan

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10-01-2009, 02:07 PM	#9
VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	Just a few comments Questions remain. And will remain unasked El, I can only direct you to this thread I started, and pretty much spoke my peace. Feel free to contribute. http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=8617

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