M/S Mount Washington going to drydock

[NoBozo]

I guess I missed something along the way.....the engines will be DESTROYED if they stay local. Destroyed means they will No Longer be able to RUN.....is that what you want..?? The NH Antique Boat Museum "Theme" is not geared to BIG marine engines. I am interested in the engines surviving in running condition....................... NB

PS: An Alternative: Keep one engine in NH as a static display and send the other one to Mystic where many more people can see it actually RUN.

[Resident 2B]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I guess I missed something along the way.....the engines will be DESTROYED if they stay local. Destroyed means they will No Longer be able to RUN.....is that what you want..?? The NH Antique Boat Museum "Theme" is not geared to BIG marine engines. I am interested in the engines surviving in running condition....................... NB

PS: An Alternative: Keep one engine in NH as a static display and send the other one to Mystic where many more people can see it actually RUN.

Good points!

R2B

[no-engine]

Make an above board discussion with officers of the corporation which owns the Ship...............
I'm sure they are just as concerned with historic education...

[StephenB]

I was on tonight's Sunday sunset cruise. I've been visiting the Mount since I was a kid in the 1970s as well as having lived on the lake for a bit and I think I'm going to miss that very distinct exhaust note that used to wake me up on summer mornings years ago as the Mount made its way out of Weirs Beach. (Don't all teenagers sleep in?) On a calm day, with my window open, I could hear it a mile away. Tonight I noticed that the engines shake the ship pretty good at cruise. I suppose the new engines will be higher RPM machines and will be quite different.

It'll be fun to see the change.

But gosh, cutting the hull open? How can you folks at WFC bear to watch? I don't know how they ever got up the courage to cut her open back in 1982 either.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I guess I missed something along the way.....the engines will be DESTROYED if they stay local. Destroyed means they will No Longer be able to RUN.....is that what you want..?? The NH Antique Boat Museum "Theme" is not geared to BIG marine engines. I am interested in the engines surviving in running condition....................... NB

PS: An Alternative: Keep one engine in NH as a static display and send the other one to Mystic where many more people can see it actually RUN.

The idea is to ABIDE by the conditions of the grant.

Why do they need to be in running condition to be on static display? The engines will be rendered to a non-running state. How many people have never seen an engine run? "Hey mom look at that large metal block making noise with a spinning shaft out the back".

These belong in NH and who cares if they still operate. Put one on display in the Weirs or Meredith or Center Harbor or where ever the mount will continue to travel so that future patrons waiting for the ship to arrive can go in and observe a piece of the mounts history. One could build a large glass display case to house the engine, with one side in normal condition and the other in cut away view to see the inner workings of the power plant (something not everyone has had the ability to see). Followed along with a number of writings posted within regarding the history of the engines and the vessel. This could even be displayed outdoors with this case.

Do not get me wrong, Mystic is cool and all, but Conneticut??? with a piece of NH tradition and scenery, get the h**l out of here!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Does anyone have the ability to get a recording of her before it's too late?

CanisLupusArctos - where are you? Can you get a recording or tell us what we need? Thanks!

RG

[LIforrelaxin]

So here is food for thought seeing everyone is worried about keeping the engines in running condition....

--- what good does this do us... I for one, am not excited at all to see an engine run for no reason.... besides, to be an impressive run, the engine would have to be loaded.....

--- if one of these engines was kept in working order, how often would it be run..... not often would be my guess....

--- the idea behind things like this is to get less efficient, higher poluting engines out of service.... the only way to truely ensure these engines will not be used again is to sieze them.....

--- In my mind the best idea which has been previously mentioned is that of a static display with part of the engine cut away to show the inner workings.....

[WeirsBeachBoater]

Based on New info to me. My post was no longer correct in it's statement. DELETED

[Lakesrider]

Has anyone asked the crew if they knew what was going to happen to the engines? Maybe the Company could shed some light on their demise....

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Has anyone asked the crew if they knew what was going to happen to the engines? Maybe the Company could shed some light on their demise....

In a time of National Emergency, those engines were "borrowed" out of necessity; someday, they could be needed again—perhaps in an even more vital function, such as food production or transport.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

Here Here: TOTALLY AGREE. Last week there was a get together of 200 Model A Fords up at Castle in The Clouds. What if O'Bama had destroyed ALL those cars..............ALL those '57 Chevys...ALL those '40 Fords, and other Restored Classics we go to see every summer?

There is 1940 Lincoln Zephyr V12 Convertable over in Melvin Village For Sale. You know the place. What if O'Bama were to Destroy that car..?? NB

But, you are comparing an engine that will not be used, just run, with classic automobiles that are fully functioning. I am a big fan of anything mechanical, but to just see an engine run on a frame outside of its intended use is, well, not very exciting. Being able to see how it works is far more interesting to me than watching it run. Thats just one mans opinion, you are very must entitled to have a different one.

The only way those cars will get scraped by the government would be to take them by force, because any person that I know that owns, enjoys and collects classic cars, would have to have them taken out of their cold dead hands.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Has anyone asked the crew if they knew what was going to happen to the engines? Maybe the Company could shed some light on their demise....

WeirsBeachBoater is part of the crew. He's the fellow in the white shirt.


Shakedown Cruise photo is courtesy of Bizer.
From left to right: Bizer, CanisLupusArctos, Island Girl, WeirsBeachBoater, Rattlesnake Gal, Rattlesnake Guy, and Webmaster

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

In a time of National Emergency, those engines were "borrowed" out of necessity; someday, they could be needed again—perhaps in an even more vital function, such as food production or transport.

I believe these engines were made just for our lady.

Excerpt from The Legacy of the M/S Mount Washington:

August 12, 1940, the steamer Mt. Washington II was launched in Lakeport with a large, enthusiastic crowd on hand to wish her well.

By 1941, World War II and the cost of fuel oil, supplies and their limited availability and the inadequate income of the very short first season took its toll. The company went into bankruptcy April of 1942. After the bankruptcy, the steam engines were commandeered for the war, laying up the Mt. Washington II for the duration of the war.

The Mt. Washington II was valued at $64,000 at the time of the bankruptcy. It was then sold to General Ship and Engine Works for $30,000.

In 1946 after World War II ended the new owners of the Mt. Washington II, Carl and Byron Hedblom, who were also the principal owners of General Ship and Engine Works, rebuilt the vessel adding two Enterprise diesel engines with 615 horsepower each. They upgraded her with electrically powered auxiliaries. A new pilothouse was built one deck higher to improve visibility and passenger space. Finally there was a slight name change from S.S. Mt. Washington II to M.V. Mount Washington. The II was dropped and the full spelling of Mount was implemented.

[Bizer]

The latest news is that the M/S Mount Washington will stay in the water for the winter. She will NOT be put into drydock. Here's an excerpt from an email I received:

The ship will be heading into Center Harbor ( Weather permitting ) Saturday [31-Oct] after our Charter.. We are looking at the 4 o'clock departure from Weirs heading to Center Harbor. The boat will definitely not be pulled out of the water we are going to change the engines out on the starboard side. We are awaiting the bids form all the engine providers. As soon as we determine what engines are available and in stock at a price we like then we will move ahead with cutting the hole and taking out the engines. We are trying to make this event as public as possible. There are discussions of having the web cam moved to the top of the ship yard building looking down at the work platform. As well as doing regular press releases. As soon as precise dates start to come in regarding delivery of engines, gear boxes and installation, I will certainly pass it along. As of right now we are moving full steam ahead on upgrading to our tear 2 engine re-powering.

[Lakesrider]

Awesome. I was wondering if they would have a cam on the whole ordeal. Kudos to then if they can do it, and announce the dates so we can watch.

[Pineedles]

I hope the replacement of the engines are the only thing on the agenda for the Mount. It seems the Crown Point Bridge linking VT and NY is closed indefinitely and NY has recruited a couple of ferry boats to stem the tide of crossers. Hope they aren't thinking of taking OUR Mount back to help out.

[Misty Blue]

Enterprise diesels were not uncommon during their hey-day. But that was 50 years ago.

I work in a power plant with a 1946 turbine. We pull our hair out trying to get spare parts to keep the old going. (And yes Skip, it's a Westinghouse).

I have heard that one of the problems with keeping the Mount's engines running is a lack of spare parts.

Picture this. How to render them unuseable...

Take them apart. The cam shaft shifting system in those engines are problably the only ones on earth.

There may be a need for parts from these engines (which have been worked hard but loved by the engineers) in other states. Maybe Mexico or some other country. I just think that to scrap them as whole units goes against the Yankee in me.

Misty Blue.

[StephenB]

I'm confused. The engines are being changed while the Mount is on the water....that is the hole is being cut completely above the water line and into the superstructure?

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I'm confused. The engines are being changed while the Mount is on the water....that is the hole is being cut completely above the water line and into the superstructure?

Nothing to be confused about. This is completely possible. There was talk of other upgrades as well. My guess is the pros and Cons where all taken into account and leaving the boat in the water was the best decission. They may need to make access cuts to facilitate other aspects of the renivations. Overall pulling the boat out of the water is an undertaking, and is not neccessarily the best thing overall for the boat. The boat is designed to be in the water, an its strengh is engineered that way.

[Kamper]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I'm confused. ... the hole is being cut completely above the water line and into the superstructure?

Every fall the dam at the end of Paugus Bay is left open for a while until the water level is reduced a couple feet. This will add to the safety factor for the repairs being made to the Mount. If we get an unusual amount of rain the lakelevel could increase though and this could be disastrous if the Mount still has that big hole in her side.



(JOKE !!)

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

I hope the replacement of the engines are the only thing on the agenda for the Mount. It seems the Crown Point Bridge linking VT and NY is closed indefinitely and NY has recruited a couple of ferry boats to stem the tide of crossers. Hope they aren't thinking of taking OUR Mount back to help out.

How could "they" take it back? It's a privately owned vessel.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

How could "they" take it back? It's a privately owned vessel.

I'm saying this with a little tongue in cheek but.. Since it is a privately owned vessel, and ridership on the Mount has declined, less ports visited, it could be a very interesting financial offer that could arise to lure the Mount back. Not a real big possiblity, but something to consider.

[NoBozo]

Here Here: TOTALLY AGREE. Last week there was a get together of 200 Model A Fords up at Castle in The Clouds. What if O'Bama had destroyed ALL those cars..............ALL those '57 Chevys...ALL those '40 Fords, and other Restored Classics we go to see every summer?

There is 1940 Lincoln Zephyr V12 Convertable over in Melvin Village For Sale. You know the place. What if O'Bama were to Destroy that car..?? NB

[StephenB]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

Here Here: TOTALLY AGREE. Last week there was a get together of 200 Model A Fords up at Castle in The Clouds. What if O'Bama had destroyed ALL those cars..............ALL those '57 Chevys...ALL those '40 Fords, and other Restored Classics we go to see every summer?

There is 1940 Lincoln Zephyr V12 Convertable over in Melvin Village For Sale. You know the place. What if O'Bama were to Destroy that car..?? NB

Most of the 1963 Chrysler Turbine cars that were handed out to people for test purposes were scrapped after the road tests because Chrysler supposedly didn't want to pay the import duties on the car bodies which had been designed and built in Italy.

Sometimes you just want to scream when the government decides something has to be scrapped.

I like the idea of a cut away engine on display somewhere.